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Fedzilla is demanding I complete a 4-page survey ... about my garden! (vanity)
me ^ | Jan. 6, 2012 | me

Posted on 01/06/2012 8:50:18 AM PST by matt1234

Are you ready for the vegetable census? Yesterday I received the “2012 National Agricultural Classification Survey” from the US Dept. of Agriculture. It was accompanied by a cover letter stating (in large, bold font) that my response is required by law; and, if I do not reply, I “may be personally visited.” I am not and have never been a farmer or rancher. My land has never been farmed or ranched. I do, however, have a vegetable garden that I built in 2009. This garden is private and noncommercial. There is no illegal activity whatsoever on my property.

The survey is 4 pages consisting of dozens of questions. Among the pressing concerns of the USDA are the gender and ethnic origin of my “operators.” (I have none.)

I have no idea how I appeared on the USDA’s radar. Possibilities are aerial surveillance or monitoring of seed purchases.

In full disclosure, the survey states that a recipient can opt out of the main portion of the survey if he answers “No” to the first four questions. However, the way they are written, it seems impossible for a landowner or renter to answer “No.” For example, one of these questions is “Do you own, rent, or operate cropland, pastureland, or land with the potential for agricultural production?” Ponder that. Doesn’t all “land” have “the potential for agricultural production”? If so, a landowner or renter cannot answer “No” and thereby opt out. (Even a lot covered completely by a building has “the potential for agricultural production” because you can grow food on the roof or windowsills, or you can tear down the building.) So, the way I read this, if you own or rent land, you cannot opt out. Moreover, according to another of the first four questions, if you own one or more livestock animals, even a chicken or a horse, you cannot opt out.

This survey is patently absurd, in my case as a simple gardener, and in EVERY case, as evidenced by the survey’s language described in the preceding paragraph.

Questions to fellow FReepers:

1. Does anyone have experience with this survey?

2. Any suggestions about my course of action?

3. What would John Galt do?


TOPICS: Agriculture; Conspiracy; Gardening; Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: bondcollapse; default; dollarcollapse; economy; garden; gardencensus; gardening; usda; usdasurvey
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1 posted on 01/06/2012 8:50:29 AM PST by matt1234
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To: matt1234

1. Throw it in the trash.
2. If they show up, tell them to go away.


2 posted on 01/06/2012 8:52:04 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: matt1234

You mus havet a liberal, Saul Alinsky follower as a neighbor that snitched on you.


3 posted on 01/06/2012 8:52:30 AM PST by albie
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To: matt1234
Do with it what you do with the rest of your JUNK mail. Toss it.

By the way, DON'T recycle it. You need to sequester carbon (it's for the good of the world!). The best way to sequester carbon is to bury paper in a landfill.

4 posted on 01/06/2012 8:55:23 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: matt1234
...my response is required by law

Does it specifically cite what law? If not, pitch it. If so, look it up.

5 posted on 01/06/2012 8:55:38 AM PST by bcsco
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To: matt1234

Wow, I’d heard that this was in the offing, but didn’t realize it would actually happen. This absurdity would be great to publicize - sure to engender a backlash. I’ll even tweet to my followers if you want.


6 posted on 01/06/2012 8:55:49 AM PST by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: matt1234
My response would be: "Survey? What survey?"

/johnny

7 posted on 01/06/2012 8:55:55 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: matt1234

You wanta’ do the smart thing? Tell them it’s a farm, show a loss (since you didn’t sell anything or there was a crop failure) then take all the tax deductions. I’m serious. Hey, they started this shit.


8 posted on 01/06/2012 8:56:02 AM PST by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a second party)
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To: matt1234

Post #2 is exactly what I would do.


9 posted on 01/06/2012 8:56:15 AM PST by sheana
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To: matt1234

Could it be a result of the Obama rural development program? And if land is not being used in what they consider a productive manner, it will be taken away. I don’t know but it sounds pretty sinister to me. I have not received anything like you yet but would not be surprised to get something any day. I do have crops but not all of my land is in production yet. I have under 50 acres total..


10 posted on 01/06/2012 8:56:28 AM PST by Jukeman (God help us for we are deep in trouble.)
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To: matt1234

To answer your question re: all land having the potential to be cropland etc., the answer is, “NO”. Local government intrusion would disallow you to farm your land. If your home is not in a designated AG/ Res zone, you can’t be a farmer! Tell that to the potential Fed visitor.


11 posted on 01/06/2012 8:56:39 AM PST by liberalh8ter (I don't like what the world has become....)
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To: struggle

—1. Throw it in the trash.
2. If they show up, tell them to go away.—

This.


12 posted on 01/06/2012 8:56:47 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: norwaypinesavage

—The best way to sequester carbon is to bury paper in a landfill.—

I like to soak it in used motor oil before I burn it.


13 posted on 01/06/2012 8:57:42 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Terry Mross; Ellendra
You wanta’ do the smart thing? Tell them it’s a farm, show a loss (since you didn’t sell anything or there was a crop failure) then take all the tax deductions. I’m serious. Hey, they started this shit.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!!

14 posted on 01/06/2012 8:57:47 AM PST by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: matt1234

Have fun with it — lie all over the place.

Say you are raising space-carrots and jackalopes.


15 posted on 01/06/2012 8:57:47 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Spoiler Alert! The secret to Terra Nova: THEY ARE ALL DEAD!!!)
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To: matt1234
I ignored the American Community Survey and only filled out enough of the main 2010 census to do their Constitutionally given power to apportion House seats. They called and dropped by to leave notes on my door, but they never caught me at home.

I think they have fined two people in the past 60 years for not filling out the main census (and they were very vocal publicly about not filling it out) and no one has been taken to court on all their auxiliary forms, probably because they don't want the legal requirement to respond tested in court.

16 posted on 01/06/2012 8:58:18 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Herman Cain: possibly the escapee most dangerous to the Democrats since Frederick Douglass.)
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To: matt1234

What were the other 3 questions?


17 posted on 01/06/2012 8:58:46 AM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: matt1234
You can freepmail me and send it to my address. I've got an area of garden which could use a good roto-tilling and digging up.

I could tell them that I heard the previous owner once cultivated the wildwood flower there and I would really appreciate them coming over with the DEA sometime in the early spring to make sure it was eradicated and that no volunteer plants came up before I planted.

18 posted on 01/06/2012 9:00:00 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: matt1234

crops in my garden.....

Moonbat bane
illegal alien turnips
Affirmative action preventer flowers
progressive poison


19 posted on 01/06/2012 9:00:19 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: matt1234

I’d answer “No” to the question about whether your land has the potential for agricultural production. Don’t overthink the question. Yes, in theory any land could be used for agricultural production, but if the land isn’t in production, that’s because it’s just not practical—you couldn’t earn enough money from growing to justify bulldozing a building. You’re just growing a few veggies, not actually farming.

Just Say No and they’ll leave you alone. For the moment.


20 posted on 01/06/2012 9:00:46 AM PST by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: Terry Mross

You are correct. Man, I had one hell of a loss last year because of the drought and then there was all of that rain in one month, then the damned wild hogs came in and dug up half of what I had growing. Such damage that I lost berry bushes that had been growing for ten years, probably thousands in damage losses. My tax return is going to show huge losses this year, maybe it looks like.


21 posted on 01/06/2012 9:02:32 AM PST by Jukeman (God help us for we are deep in trouble.)
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To: matt1234

Can you post a PDF of the questions....so other FReepers can be forewarned of the contents....and can get it widely distributed...thanks.


22 posted on 01/06/2012 9:03:48 AM PST by spokeshave (Ron Paul finally lit a match after dousing himself with gasoline)
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To: mrreaganaut

How does your garden grow? ping.


23 posted on 01/06/2012 9:04:29 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: matt1234

Did you go to the NASS website, to get more info?


24 posted on 01/06/2012 9:05:32 AM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: matt1234
Tell them the castor beans you grow are normally planted above the C4 stash you have buried next to the automatic weapons stash.
25 posted on 01/06/2012 9:06:58 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: matt1234

If the penalty is that you ‘may’ be personally visited then just ignore it. You can deal with the visit when and if it happens. Once upon a time I would have thought that the request was to establish a baseline for funding county extension and agricultural services. These days it seems more likely to be an attempt to identify domestic terrorists engaged in unauthorized food production. John Galt wouldn’t have a mailbox; but if he were handed the form, he would shred it to use as mulch on his garden.


26 posted on 01/06/2012 9:07:13 AM PST by davius (You can roll manure in powdered sugar but that don't make it a jelly doughnut.)
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To: KarlInOhio; matt1234

Me. too...
Only filled out stuff that was Constitutional...
We live in a “minority-majority” district in my county which is designated by the 196? Voting Rights Act so the color of my skin is pretty important around here.
I didn’t identify race of the occupants here but they sent out a census worker anyway so voila, they got my race down and could assume the other two’s race...
Complete crap and Big Brother intrusion...
Fight the MAN and burn it!!!!!!


27 posted on 01/06/2012 9:07:13 AM PST by matginzac
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To: matt1234
try here
28 posted on 01/06/2012 9:07:27 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (You know, 99.99999965% of the lawyers give all of them a bad name)
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To: KarlInOhio

I ignored the American Community Survey and the Census. I did have someone stop by for the Census... I figured I’d make at least 1 federal employee work for the paycheck!

I like the advice to look up the law if it is stated on the survey form. Make sure what you are answering, especially if considering lying. I remember some rumblings about this in the past in that backyard gardens would be illegal? This does sound rather sinister.

Let us know how it all works out!


29 posted on 01/06/2012 9:07:34 AM PST by myrabach
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To: matt1234; mrreaganaut

I do own a farm, as well as have a garden so it will be interesting to see if I get one of these.


30 posted on 01/06/2012 9:07:37 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: stuartcr
What were the other 3 questions?

Did you have any agricultural revenue?

Did you have or sell any type of livestock, including equine, poultry or fowl, bees, or aquaculture?

Did you receive any federal or state agricultural payments?

31 posted on 01/06/2012 9:07:45 AM PST by matt1234 (Bring back the HUAC.)
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To: matt1234

Step 1) Fill the survey out in painstaking detail. Spare no expense in making sure of the complete accuracy, Take a photograph, making sure the details cannot be read well.

Step 2) Take the survey out back, and use it as a target for the following firearms: Ruger 10/22. Glock Model 34. M-1 Garand. Take a photograph.

Step 3) Bring the tattered survey back to the house. Douse with gasoline. Burn it. Take a photograph.

Step 4) Bring the ashes to the back yard. Dig a hole, putting the ashes in it. Take a photograph. Fill the hole in.

Step 5) If anyone comes to ask you about the survey, show them the pictures you took in Step 1-4).


32 posted on 01/06/2012 9:07:58 AM PST by Lazamataz (Romney is the Pale Obama. That's all.)
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To: matt1234

You gotta be the right color, the right sex, the right ethnicity and right religion or be an atheist and the right political party. If any of the above, they will likely give you a half million to grow wildflowers and double that if you are trans-gender/bi-sexual.


33 posted on 01/06/2012 9:08:40 AM PST by Jukeman (God help us for we are deep in trouble.)
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To: matt1234

Burn it and mix the ashes with your compost. If they inquire again, just say you never received such a document and next time they should try Registered Mail requesting a delivery receipt.


34 posted on 01/06/2012 9:09:22 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The price of freedom is willingness to do sudden battle anywhere, anytime..." - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: matt1234

thanks


35 posted on 01/06/2012 9:10:13 AM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: matt1234
I received this too for some bare ground in a mountain subdivision.

Have not decided what to do yet, but when they tell me I MUST respond it rubs my fur backwards right off.

I might just write “see amendment 5 in the US Constitution”.

36 posted on 01/06/2012 9:11:41 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: JRandomFreeper; All

“Survey? What survey”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oSFYxDGKy8


37 posted on 01/06/2012 9:12:56 AM PST by GOYAKLA (Re-flush Congress in 2012, some crap remains!)
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To: struggle
2. If they show up, tell them to go away.

Does the Ag Dept have a SWAT team yet?

38 posted on 01/06/2012 9:13:08 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Jukeman

I have a question. What can you grow in TX on less than 50 acres? That is less than half a quarter.

I’m not being snarky, I am seriously wondering what crop would be profitable at that small scale that would grow in TX.

We are up in Corn/Wheat/Soy country and the smallest farms around here are still over 160 acres and most of those are rented out to larger farms. Our yard at the farm was 80 acres (and we also had livestock and one of the first aquafarms in the country).


39 posted on 01/06/2012 9:19:39 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: matt1234

Return this note to them, along with blank survey:

My family garden is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!

Please note the trespass warnings posted on my property.


40 posted on 01/06/2012 9:19:53 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: MileHi

>>2. If they show up, tell them to go away.

>Does the Ag Dept have a SWAT team yet?

Does it matter?

“Mail? What mail?”


41 posted on 01/06/2012 9:19:59 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: freedumb2003

Say you are raising space-carrots and jackalopes.

- - - - \
ROFL. You just made my day, Freedumb.


42 posted on 01/06/2012 9:20:54 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: matt1234

Tell ‘em you were raising pigs but the man shut you down and then demand your $50,000.


43 posted on 01/06/2012 9:21:05 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: matt1234

I certainly cannot nor would not tell you what to do.

I will say, if I received this or anything similar that did not reference the actual law, it would reach the trash can in 1.2 seconds.


44 posted on 01/06/2012 9:23:03 AM PST by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: Nachum

FYI.


45 posted on 01/06/2012 9:24:02 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

The KGB always liked to intimidate the population. Sounds very familiar.


46 posted on 01/06/2012 9:30:20 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: bcsco
Does it specifically cite what law?

"Title 7 of the U.S. Code and CIPSEA (Public Law 107-347)" are mentioned with regard to confidentiality. I do not see a mention of the specific law that requires my response.

47 posted on 01/06/2012 9:30:55 AM PST by matt1234 (Bring back the HUAC.)
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To: MileHi

I think most departments do. Even NOAA has one!


48 posted on 01/06/2012 9:31:24 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: DaxtonBrown
This absurdity would be great to publicize - sure to engender a backlash. I’ll even tweet to my followers if you want.

Agreed. Feel free.

49 posted on 01/06/2012 9:32:25 AM PST by matt1234 (Bring back the HUAC.)
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To: matt1234
NATIONAL AGRICULTURAL STATISTICS SERVICE
Purpose Statement

The National Agricultural Statistics Service (NASS) was established by Secretary's Memorandum No. 1446, Supplement 1, of April 3, 1961, under Reorganization Plan No. 2 of 1953 and other authorities. The mission of the agency is to provide timely, accurate, and useful statistics in service to U.S. agriculture.

The statistical data provided by NASS are essential to the public and private sectors for making effective policy, production, and marketing decisions on a wide range of agricultural commodities. Every 5 years the Census of Agriculture provides comprehensive national, State, and county data as well as selected data for Puerto Rico, Guam, the U.S., Virgin Islands, and Northern Mariana Islands. The USDA published its first crop report in 1863. NASS’ responsibilities are authorized under the Agricultural Marketing Act of 1946 (7 U.S.C. 1621-1627) and the Census of Agriculture Act of 1997, Public Law 105-113 (7 U.S.C. 2204g).

• Agricultural Estimates Program – NASS field offices regularly survey thousands of operators of farms, ranches, and agribusinesses who provide information on a confidential basis. These scientifically-designed surveys provide the basis for developing estimates of production, supply, price, and other aspects of the agricultural economy. Official USDA national, State, and county estimates and reports are issued relating to the number of farms and land in farms; acreage, types, and production of farm crops; number of livestock on farms and of livestock products; stocks of agricultural commodities; value and utilization of farm products; farm labor; prices received and paid by farmers; agricultural chemical use; and on other subjects as needed. The field offices forward the estimates to NASS headquarters where they are combined and released at scheduled times to the press and public through the Agricultural Statistics Board. Annually, NASS publishes approximately 500 national reports and thousands of additional state reports, covering more than 120 crops and 45 livestock items. These basic and unbiased data are necessary to maintain an orderly association between the consumption, supply, marketing, and input sectors of agriculture.

• Census of Agriculture – The Census of Agriculture is taken every 5 years and provides comprehensive data on the agricultural economy, including data on the number of farms, land use, production expenses, value of land and buildings, farm size and characteristics of farm operators, market value of agricultural production sold, acreage of major crops, inventory of livestock and poultry, and farm irrigation practices. Final preparations are underway for the 2012 Census of Agriculture, scheduled to be mailed to the Nation’s farmers and ranchers in December 2013.

50 posted on 01/06/2012 9:37:31 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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