Posted on 10/06/2011 4:57:23 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
Gordon W. Prange, At Dawn We Slept
Winston S. Churchill, The Grand Alliance
Hitler is Disputed – 2
Moscow Statement on Religion Disappoints White House Circles – 3-4
The International Situation – 3
Scant Changes Seen for Russia – 4-5
Argentine Cruiser at Base for Repairs – 5
Swedes Report Nazis See Peril in Norway – 5
Freedom Rally Thrills 17,000 – 5-7
The Men Who Hold Tobruk (photos) – 7
Texts of the Day’s War Communiques – 8
http://www.onwar.com/chrono/1941/oct41/f06oct41.htm
Soviets lose another 100,000 troops
Monday, October 6, 1941 www.onwar.com
On the Eastern Front... German General Kleist’s right wing reaches Berdyansk, on the Sea of Azoz trapping more than 100,000 Soviet soldiers. The German 11th Army is attempting to link with Kleist by attacking along the coast. The Soviet position near Vyazma and Bryansk is deteriorating. Large pockets of troop have been encircled and are being reduced.
Andrew Etherington has been away on a top secret mission but he has returned and updated his site for October. I will post the links to the previous 5 days - Homer.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.etherington/month/thismonth/06.htm
October 6th, 1941
UNITED KINGDOM: Newhaven: An official German statement on Bremen radio by “Lord Haw-Haw” tonight led to the cancellation of plans for the exchange of badly wounded PoWs. Two hospital ships were about to leave Newhaven for Dieppe when the war office telephoned to cancel. No immediate explanation was forthcoming, but the Haw-Haw broadcast spoke of an exchange of 100 Britons for a corresponding number of Germans. Such a man-for-man exchange is barred by the Geneva Convention of 1929, which provides for the exchange of all seriously wounded, irrespective of numbers.
No. 601 Squadron RAF flying from Duxford in Cambridgeshire, makes its first operation in the Bell P-400 Airacobra, a shoot-up of the French coast. (22)
Escort carrier HMS Stalker laid down. Destroyer HMS Quality launched. (Dave Shirlaw)
GERMANY: U-732 is laid down. (Dave Shirlaw)
U.S.S.R.: Kleist’s right wing reaches Berdyansk on the Sea of Azov. He cuts off more than 100,000 Soviet troops. German advances in the Moscow sector continue. The German attacks east of Vyazma and Bryansk continue. Their advances force the Soviets into a more desperate situation.
ROMANIA: Bucharest: Romanian forces claim to have killed 70,000 Soviet soldiers on the eastern front and taken 60,000 prisoners, at a loss to themselves of 20,000 dead.
CANADA: Corvettes USS Action (ex-HMS Comfrey), USS Alacrity (ex-HMS Cornel), USS Beacon (ex-HMS Dittany) ordered from Collingwood Shipyards Collingwood, Ontario
Corvettes USS Caprice (ex-HMS Honesty), USS Brisk (ex-HMS Flax) ordered from Kingston Shipbuilding of Kingston, Ontario.
Corvette USS Clash (ex-HMS Linarnia ordered from Midland Shipyards of Midland, Ontario.
Frigates HMCS Barle, Cuckmere, Evenlode, Findhorn ordered from Canadian Vickers Montreal, Province of Quebec and paid for by US Lend-Lease funds’.
Frigates USS Asheville and Natchez (ex-HMS Adur and Annan) laid down Canadian Vickers Montreal, Province of Quebec. Corvette HMCS Dawson commissioned. (Dave Shirlaw)
U.S.A.: Baseball!
ATLANTIC OCEAN: U-129 turned over the 119 survivors of the Kota Pinang to a Spanish tug near Cap Finisterre.
Gunboat Karjala is damaged by bombs dropped from a German plane. (Dave Shirlaw)
“Today is a time for war. Tomorrow, if we work and are wise, may be a time for peace. Today is a time for war because peace is impossible. Peace is not the absence of war; peace is the presence of justice.”
— Herbert Agar, 1941
Back to their old tricks, I see. Page 12.
I thought it didn’t count if it was a painting since that was “art”.
Nekkid is Nekkid. Particularly to a crowd where the most prurient publication otherwise available is the Sears and Roebuck catalog.
RUSSIANS KEEP UP PRESSURE
PUT NAZI LOSSES AT 3,000,000
AND THEIR OWN AT 1,128,000"...According to these latest official statistics, Russia has lost 1,128,000 men -- 280,000 killed, 720,000 wounded and 178,000 missing -- as well as 7,000 tanks, 8,900 cannon and 5,316 aircraft.
The Nazi estimates of soviet losses are about twice as high as these."On the other hand, Mr. Scherbakoff said, the Germans have now lost 3,000,000 men -- killed, wounded or prisoners -- and 11,000 tanks, 13,000 cannon and 9,000 aircraft..."
Is it just my imagination, or did the Soviets simply take their own numbers for losses of men & equipment, assign those to the Germans, and then claim their estimates of German losses for themselves?
How else could we account for such a gross mis-match between reports and reality?
And why do the Germans understate their own successes -- listing here just 12,000 Russians captured, when the total is already in the millions?
Truth is the first casualty in war.
Father Walsh's statement:
"...Since the Soviet Government has communicated its answer publicly to the press the American public as every right to discuss publicly this latest development without fear of damaging or hindering whatever diplomatic hopes may have been entertained in government circles here."I deem it a waste of very valuable time to prove again the hollow mockery involved in the pretense that religious freedom exists in Russia.
The opposite was demonstrated with chapter and verse in my statement of October 2.
No informed adult mind in the United States believes otherwise."The American people hold with President Roosevelt in his speech before the American Youth Congress in February, 1940.
Referring to the persecution of religion in Russia, the President said:'I abhorred the indiscriminate killings of thousands of innocent victims.
I heartily deprecated the banishment of religion, though I knew that some day Russia would return to religion...' "
As the war progressed, Stalin slowly lifted some restrictions on religion.
And though I've seen no historical account of the time where the good Father Walsh (or President Roosevelt) is given any credit for Stalin's increasing leniency, still this report shows that Walsh's words came before Stalin's actions.
All that said, it remains utterly stunning and breathtaking that Father Walsh is here campaigning for religious freedom in Russia while Nazis are murdering Jews and many other eastern Europeans, including Catholic clergy, in their hundreds of thousands.
About which, as of "today", no one has yet said anything publicly.
I still sense at this time, more people hated the Soviets than the Nazis, but most people were unaware (or didn’t want to know) about the Nazi atrocities.
Certainly, but not just "most people" -- in 1941 it was virtually everyone, except a very few including Churchill, Roosevelt and most likely, the Pope.
Churchill and Roosevelt received data from their code-breakers, the Pope from German Army chaplains and doubtless many others in the know.
I can't say, never saw a report showing, how much American Jews learned in 1941 about the new horrors.
For the story to have been reported, someone amongst very few would have to leak information to the press.
What's odd is that not only did such a leak apparently never happen, but most of the leaders themselves act as if they don't know about atrocities as German armies marched through Eastern Europe.
Of course, anyone can understand that before Bloody Stalin could become kindly old "Uncle Joe" -- our staunch ally -- in the minds of Americans, he must first reduce Soviet restrictions on religious freedom.
And perhaps that was actually more important at this stage than unconfirmed reports on Nazi genocide.
Still, the contrast between words and reality remains stunning.
It certainly would seem that way wouldn't it. But its also a product in what the Times wishes to represent. You notice that almost every day we have some story stating "Russia pushing Nazi's Back on X front or city". Casualty reports are typically skewed in general, often intentionally for their psychological warfare value. The Times eats the Soviet number up right now. Kind of like when the Battle of Britain was going on. If you used the New York Times as your only frame of reference, then it would appear that the Germans never had a single successful day against the R.A.F. We all know that the reality doesn't really match that and that the R.A.F. at one point was in some real trouble.
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