Posted on 08/08/2010 4:45:00 PM PDT by dynachrome
Should Lawmakers Consider a Birthright Citizenship Change to the Constitution?
Yes, denying kids automatic citizenship would curb illegal immigration.
No, this is not the issue that warrants a change to the U.S. Constitution.
Maybe, because birthplace alone should not make the child of an illegal a U.S. citizen.
Other (leave a comment)
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Have at it!
Amen, it’s about dam! time.
Let’s see any American go to ANY other country on the planet and attempt to get his / her baby the same rights.
They would LAUGH IN YOUR FACE MAN!
So far, so good:
No, this is not the issue that warrants a change to the U.S. Constitution. 9.8% (3,419 votes)
Maybe, because birthplace alone should not make the child of an illegal a U.S. citizen. 13.7% (4,754 votes)
Other (leave a comment) 0.8% (276 votes)
Total Votes: 34,711
Anchors Aweigh!
You didn’t post the YES vote total.
According to this it doesn’t require a constitutional amendment, Just a law:
From:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2566125/posts
Krauthammer: Dead Wrong on the 14th
5 August 2010
John Armor (Congressman Billybob)
There are parts of Fox News I cannot watch. There is that self-important blowhard. There is that worldwide ambulance chaser. But as often as I can, I watch their news program at 6 p.m. My favorite part of that program is the lightning round, and especially the contributions of Charles Krauthammer.
Charles normally dissects an issue with precision and accuracy. But not today, the 5th of August. He posed the issue whether a Congressman was right to say we need to amend the 14th Amendment to deal with the problem of anchor babies. Krauthammer made the mistake of not reading the Amendment before discussing it. So did all the other participants in the discussion.
Krauthammer correctly stated that “we should not amend the Constitution to deal with such a small problem.” He missed the opportunity to point out that the Congressman, like much of the American press and punditry, are asking the wrong question and therefore getting the wrong answer.
Let’s read the document, and see where that leads. The first sentence of the 14th Amendment says, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States….” Who gets to say who are “subject to the jurisdiction”?
Skip to the last sentence of the Amendment. It is a clause that appears in many of the Amendments. “The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.”
There you have it, in the plain language of the Constitution itself. Congress can define by statute who is “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. It has long since done so with regard to children born to diplomatic personnel. A child born of Japanese diplomatic personal who is born in a D.C. hospital is Japanese at birth, not American. Why is that so? Because Congress wrote a law that says so.
Congress can solve the anchor baby problem immediately by a statute. It simply has to say that a child born of a Mexican citizen who has paid a coyote to get smuggled into the US, and risked death in the deserts of the Southwest to get to an Arizona hospital is not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the US. It can further resolve the problem by ending all preferences for all known relatives of a prior anchor baby to come into the US.
Families don’t need to be “united” in the US. They will be just as united back in Mexico, or any other nation from which pregnant women engage in “citizenship tourism.”
Those who favor open borders, where anyone who can sneak into the US is entitled to all privileges of Americans, favor the anchor baby route to make this so. After all, it’s for the children. And they add, we shouldn’t mess with the Constitution.
But the Constitution is in no danger, and both mothers and babies will be in less danger, if Congress simply writes a law to deal with the problem. And the 14th Amendment gives Congress that very power.
Why would able reporters and even college professors write and say in the press that “the Constitution is in danger,” when it isn’t? These false sources are pretending that the Constitution is in danger to keep the people from realizing that statement is false, and the solution depends only on competent Members of Congress reading and following the Constitution.
Having watched and read Charles Krauthammer’s work for decades, I know he is not corrupt, distorting the Constitution to achieve a predetermined result. Instead, Charles just failed to do his homework. But still, he was dead wrong, and contributed to the public misunderstanding of this issue.
The truth is, as that obnoxious commercial says, “It’s so easy, even a caveman could do it.” Well, if a caveman can do it, so can a Congressman (or most of them can). Rewrite the law. Solve this problem, without spending a single dime on it. Now.
About the Author: John Armor practiced before the Supreme Court for 33 years. John_Armor@aya,yale.edu His latest book, to appear in September, is on Thomas Paine. http://www.TheseAreTheTimes.us
>>You didn’t post the YES vote total<<
Hmm — copy and paste problem. “Yes” was 70-something %.
They’d do worse than laugh. Start with SPIT, and then let your imagination wander from there!
I’m with Coulter, it was a footnote by Justice Brennan in a 1982 decision. Needs clarification.
Voted YES. Observed that the Yeses are over 75%. Will that cut any ice with the oligharchy in D.C.? Absolutely not! When asked this week what the 71% anti-Obummercare vote in Missouri means, Dear Leader replied, “NOTHING!”
No, this is not the issue that warrants a change to the U.S. Constitution. 9.9% (3,492 votes)
Maybe, because birthplace alone should not make the child of an illegal a U.S. citizen. 13.6% (4,818 votes)
Other (leave a comment) 0.8% (282 votes)
Total Votes: 35,312
Beating the ass of a poll, right here on FR. Thanks dynachrome.
There are other ways to solve this problem. To open the constution to change will simply invite more changes, such as in the second amendment. Too risky to start messing w/ the constitution.
YES Freeped.
I have heard multiple times that the Author of the bill says in his writing that it only pertains to people whose parents are under American jurisdiction..not worded correct,sorry.
No law needs to be passed, as usual it is being twisted and warped.
Yes, denying kids automatic citizenship would curb illegal immigration. 75.8% (32,362 votes)
I voted yes, but there was no correct answer listed.
According to Mark Levin, there is no need to change the Constitution because it does not allow illegal aliens to confer American citizenship on their offspring. It’s the pesky little, “...and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” phrase that we have been brainwashed into ignoring. There is no such constitutional thing as an anchor baby.
Yes, denying kids automatic citizenship would curb illegal immigration.
76% (45,236 votes)
No, this is not the issue that warrants a change to the U.S. Constitution.
10% (5,746 votes)
Maybe, because birthplace alone should not make the child of an illegal a U.S. citizen.
13% (7,849 votes)
Other (leave a comment)
1% (452 votes)
Total Votes: 59,283
It was NOT meant for everyone in the whole world could come here, drop a kid and gain citizenship.
Since we have no more slaves, this rule should go.
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Help Texas watch her borders.
Watch live on 14 cameras and report illegal alien invaders.
Night cams in operation
http://www.blueservo.net/index.php?error=nlg
Does it work? Yes.
Recently caught on cam and reported:
String of illegals running through brush with backpacks
Numerous sightings of boats crossing the river
Numerous vehicles late at night in isolated areas
IMMENSELY satisfying
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“According to this it doesn’t require a constitutional amendment, Just a law:”
That’s right. Giving illegal aliens offspring citizenship is a bastardization of the intent of the 14th amendmendment by politicians and a very wrong judge.
“Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”
Senator Jacob Howard,
co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
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