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Posted on 01/18/2008 11:23:43 AM PST by Postal Dude
First of all, I am a German conservative who gives the CDU [Christian Democratic Union] his vote. I like my chancellor Angela Merkel, and I like my country. I DO like EUROPEAN diversity. This excludes Muslims! I consider myself a right-winger and I am pro-Israel. But I also do admit, that the Nazis were, after all, right-wing.
Fact is: The Nazis were ULTRA-right-wing extremistic, white supremacistic facists! Yes, their political party was called the "National Socialist German Workers Party", but it was neither a socialist nor a workers party! This name was purely propaganda to gain the people's votes to win the elections!
You can't judge a party by it's name anyway! For example: The "State Peace and Development Council" is the name of the ruling party of Burma [Myanmar]! The country is in fact ruled by a military dictatorship! They slaughtered thousands of innocent monks not long ago [you all heard about this disgusting story]! Burma ISN'T peaceful, and for sure it ISN'T developing, no matter what name their ruling party has!
What does THE LEFT stand for: Diversity by all means, Internationality, Multiculturalism, Pacifism, Racial Equality, Equal Rights for Homosexuals, Abortion, and so on! So that's, what ADOLF HITLER and his NAZI PARTY standed for?! HELL NO! THE OPPOSITE WAS TRUE!
Yes, there ARE a few points, where the socialist and the nazi politics meet! One point is "the Jews"! Well, do they really meet? The socialists, the leftists, do hate Israel, yes, but the Nazis DO HATE THE JEWS! The majority of the American Jews vote Democrat! So does that mean they all hate themselves? No! They dislike the American and Israeli intervention doctrine [I don't know why, really], but for sure they don't want to get rid of themselves! That's BS! Of course there are some idiotic self-hating Jews [Naturei Karta], but they are a MINORITY!
In WWII Hitler did pact with Stalin, but solely for strategic reasons. In the end, Hitler wanted to exterminate over 100 million Soviet citizens, of all ethnic groups, he deemed SUBHUMAN [see "Generalplan Ost"]. Do socialists deem other races, DOES Hillary Clinton deem Mexicans or African-Americans SUBHUMAN?! Do socialists want to get rid [BY MASSMURDER] of the diverse nation? NO! Their views are diametral opposed to that of the nazis! These idiots LOVE the diverse nation! They promote it! They live the diversity! But NAZIS deem human beings "unworthy of life"! Only NAZIS talk about "lesser races" and the "master race"! The Soviet Union was the most diverse nation on earth back then, whereas Nazi Germany was one of the most UNdiverse nations on earth! The Nazis literally KILLED the diversity!
Fact is: the Nazis did were right-wing. But that DOESN'T mean, all right-wing people are the same. That's MSN BS! Even an idiot has to recognice the difference between us GOOD christian, pro-Israel right-wingers and the "Stormfront, white supremacist, anti-semitic right-wingers"!
Wrong.
Fascism is a step behind communism, which is the real name of the euphemism “socialism”.
In truth, anarchy is 1 side of the scale. Since we know we call commies “left”, that means total anarchy with no government is RIGHT. If left is opposite of right, that is.
Fascism is the allowance of personal property, but with no control of it. Alot like the US is becoming, easily demonstrated by all the “environmental” REGULATIONS put upon your property usage.
So, fascism really is closer to communism (no personal property) and cannot be logically called the opposite, and hence, not “right”. It is much more “left”.
We who believe in republican democracy with almost limitless freedom (except where it would interfere with others’) are most assuredly closer to “anarchy”, and thus, more “right”.
No way fascism is close to our views. Much closer to the so-called “left” style.
Hitler believed in government control of every aspect of life.
"We socialize human beings." Adolf Hitler.
Hitler was a socialist to the core.
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Hitler didn’t call himself a Socialist. And the party’s name “National Socialist German Workers Party” was just as propaganda as the name of the ruling party of today Burma is: “State Peace and Development Council”.
“Fact is: the Nazis did were right-wing.”
Uhh, so you equate “right wing” with fascism, murder, race supremecy, genocide and a police state.
You should change your name to “I’manidiot Dude”.
Thanks for reinforcing 40 years of left wing media propaganda.
Call them whatever wing you want but their platform was that of liberals.... Anti-semites, gun grabbers, anti-church / pro-mysticism, pro slavery (think entitlements that have enslaved the poor in this country).
Russia is still a very diverse nation. There are something like 35 or 40 distinct ethnic groups composing Russia.
There may not be many 'blacks', or more properly negroids, but that doesn't mean they aren't diverse.
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I think what causes this argument in the first place is that there are somewhat different definitions in the US and Europe for “leftist” and “rightist.”
While Hitler didn’t posess the (apparent) love for all races that US liberals claim to, he did take state control of almost everything. So there is a socialist element there although not the same as European socialism.
Yes. This is why the Russians and Chinese were very uneasy allies (if even that), regardless of both being communist countries.
Of course Hitler stole some ideas from others! He also stole the “Hitler Salute” from the Italian fascists! In fact, that’s the old Roman salute! And the phrase “Heil Hitler” was also stolen from the Romans! “Ave Caesar” means “Heil Cesar”!
Hitler did take state control of almost everything because he was a DICTATOR, not because he was a Socialist or whatever! Same fits for Stalin. He was a DICTATOR, so he naturally took control of almost everything! But their politics are DIAMETRAL OPPOSED!
But Hitler in his speeches railed constantly against Capitalism, and he talked about eliminating class distinctions in Nazi Germany. So it seems to me his problem with ‘Bolshevism’ came from the fact that the movement was created in the Soviet Union. Yes, there were differences in rhetoric. Nazis talked about the elimination of races, like the Bolsheviks talked about the elimination of classes. But in many ways they both desired to create classless societies with strong central authority, through the elimination of their enemies.
http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascism-American-Mussolini-Politics/dp/0385511841
Liberal Fascism offers a startling new perspective on the theories and practices that define fascist politics. Replacing conveniently manufactured myths with surprising and enlightening research, Jonah Goldberg reminds us that the original fascists were really on the left, and that liberals from Woodrow Wilson to FDR to Hillary Clinton have advocated policies and principles remarkably similar to those of Hitler’s National Socialism and Mussolini’s Fascism.
Contrary to what most people think, the Nazis were ardent socialists (hence the term “National socialism”). They believed in free health care and guaranteed jobs. They confiscated inherited wealth and spent vast sums on public education. They purged the church from public policy, promoted a new form of pagan spirituality, and inserted the authority of the state into every nook and cranny of daily life. The Nazis declared war on smoking, supported abortion, euthanasia, and gun control. They loathed the free market, provided generous pensions for the elderly, and maintained a strict racial quota system in their universities—where campus speech codes were all the rage. The Nazis led the world in organic farming and alternative medicine. Hitler was a strict vegetarian, and Himmler was an animal rights activist.
Do these striking parallels mean that today’s liberals are genocidal maniacs, intent on conquering the world and imposing a new racial order? Not at all. Yet it is hard to deny that modern progressivism and classical fascism shared the same intellectual roots. We often forget, for example, that Mussolini and Hitler had many admirers in the United States. W.E.B. Du Bois was inspired by Hitler’s Germany, and Irving Berlin praised Mussolini in song. Many fascist tenets were espoused by American progressives like John Dewey and Woodrow Wilson, and FDR incorporated fascist policies in the New Deal.
Fascism was an international movement that appeared in different forms in different countries, depending on the vagaries of national culture and temperament. In Germany, fascism appeared as genocidal racist nationalism. In America, it took a “friendlier,” more liberal form. The modern heirs of this “friendly fascist” tradition include the New York Times, the Democratic Party, the Ivy League professoriate, and the liberals of Hollywood. The quintessential Liberal Fascist isn’t an SS storm trooper; it is a female grade school teacher with an education degree from Brown or Swarthmore.
These assertions may sound strange to modern ears, but that is because we have forgotten what fascism is. In this angry, funny, smart, contentious book, Jonah Goldberg turns our preconceptions inside out and shows us the true meaning of Liberal Fascism.
He proudly wore the label "Nazi" which proudly includes the term "socialist".
And the party’s name “National Socialist German Workers Party” was just as propaganda
How exactly was it propaganda? They didn't try to represent or care for German workers? They didn't cook up the Volkswagen? Cheap vacations and free health care. They didn't set wages and prohibit employers from making layoffs?
Now, non-German workers, maybe, didn't do so well, but the party wasn't calling itself the "National Socialist non-German Workers Party".
The Russians didn’t want the Chinese to become the ruling communist country in the “Comintern”. The same fits for the Chinese! They were rivals after all! But they never deemed each other subhuman, like the Nazis deemed every other race, then the “Aryan Master Race”!
The Nazis wanted to exterminate entire ethnic groups, because they deemed them “unworthy of life”! Do leftists want to do that too? Does Obama want to massmurder Afro-Americans?
LOL. Good one!!
(and he supported smoking bans)
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