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Hints of a breakdown of relativity theory?
Scientific American 'blogs ^ | August 22, 2007 | George Musser

Posted on 08/28/2007 11:24:31 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

The team studied two gamma-ray flares in mid-2005 from the black hole at the heart of the galaxy Markarian 501. They compared gammas in two energy ranges, from 1.2 to 10 tera-electron-volts (TeV) and from 0.25 to 0.6 TeV. The first group arrived on Earth four minutes later than the second. One team member, physicist John Ellis of CERN, says: "The significance of the time lag is above 95%, and the magnitude of the effect is beyond the sensitivity of previous experiments." Either the high-energy gammas were released later (because of how they were generated) or they propagated more slowly.

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.sciam.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: gammaray; gammarays; stringtheory
Probing quantum gravity with gamma ray bursters
by Chris Lee
ArsTechnica
August 23, 2007
Their results -- a time difference of 3-4 seconds after traversing huge distances -- rely heavily on the reconstruction of the source's emission profile so they also checked that using computer models. Essentially, they made up a bunch of sources that gave photons arbitrary emission times and tested their ability to calculate the vacuum dispersion on those. More specifically, they used computer generated profiles that were then dispersed by a vacuum that was either dispersive or non-dispersive. In all cases they recovered the original source profile to within the uncertainty of they experimental observations. This tells us that the source profile is probably the leading cause of uncertainty in these observations.

Has quantum gravity made a sudden leap forward? Probably not, but this is the first real data against which such a theory can be tested, which means that theorists will suddenly have to start paying attention to experimental results again and modify their theories appropriately.

1 posted on 08/28/2007 11:24:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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Relativity Passes Absolute Test: Exacting research finds Einstein was exactly right
Discover | June 22, 2007 | Stephen Ornes
Posted on 07/04/2007 7:17:45 PM EDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1860974/posts

Inconstant Speed of Light May Debunk Einstein
Reuters (via Yahoo) | August 7, 2002 | Michael Christie
Posted on 08/07/2002 3:53:40 PM EDT by Darth Reagan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/729323/posts

Scientists Mess with the Speed of Light (breaking the speed limit, sort of)
pure energy systems | 19 aug 05 | Ker Than
Posted on 08/24/2005 9:02:52 PM EDT by Arkie2
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1470073/posts

‘We have broken speed of light’
Telegraph | 8/16/07 | Nick Fleming
Posted on 08/16/2007 1:15:43 PM EDT by LibWhacker
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1882129/posts


2 posted on 08/28/2007 11:25:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, August 26, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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New particle accelerator could rule out string theory [ Large Hadron Collider ]
New Scientist | February 1, 2007 | David Shiga
Posted on 02/03/2007 4:18:18 PM EST by SunkenCiv
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Using black holes to constrain the universe
Ars Technica | August 14, 2007 | Chris Lee
Posted on 08/14/2007 1:52:09 PM EDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1881079/posts


3 posted on 08/28/2007 11:26:55 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, August 26, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: AdmSmith; bvw; callisto; ckilmer; dandelion; FairOpinion; ganeshpuri89; gobucks; KevinDavis; ...

4 posted on 08/28/2007 11:27:14 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, August 26, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
bump for later


5 posted on 08/28/2007 11:34:35 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: SunkenCiv; All

Cool.

It’s possible that a correction factor might be needed for the law of conservation, kinda like the relativity theory is a correction factor for Newtonian Physics at the atomic level.

Here’s one to check out:

SubQuantum Kinetics, wide ranging unifying cosmology theory by Dr. Paul LaViolette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1884938/posts


6 posted on 08/28/2007 11:43:20 AM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: SunkenCiv

The gammas were measured in two energy ranges, from 1.2 to 10 tera-electron-volts (TeV) and from 0.25 to 0.6 TeV. The first group arrived on Earth four minutes later than the second.

We do not know the origin of these gamma bursts, it might have been some type of acceleration process that produces different energies as times goes by.

Here is the original article http://arxiv.org/abs/0708.2889


7 posted on 08/28/2007 12:56:27 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: SunkenCiv

It’s all kind of like a kid clamoring for attention. You have to make a big disturbance to get noticed.

Our measuring techniques are not quite up with our imaginations yet (nor will they ever be)


8 posted on 08/30/2007 4:36:48 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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related, just trust me.

The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes: Flood, Fire, and Famine in the History of Civilization The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes:
Flood, Fire, and Famine
in the History of Civilization

by Richard Firestone, Allen West, and Simon Warwick-Smith


9 posted on 09/29/2007 12:48:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, September 27, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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