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Posted on 03/08/2007 6:15:03 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing
Hewlett-Packard is closing custom deals for thousands of desktop PCs running Linux, which has the company assessing the possibility of offering factory-loaded Linux systems, an HP executive said.
"We are involved in a number of massive deals for Linux desktops, and those are the kinds of things that are indicators of critical mass. So we are really looking at it very hard," said Doug Small, worldwide director of open source and Linux marketing at HP. "We are in a massive deal right now for ... multi-thousands of units of a desktop opportunity for Linux. That's an indicator." He declined to give details about the Linux deals.
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Make sure it's supported well and they've got a shot.
I'd like to see Microsoft become a lot less dominant,
Bill Gates, the billionaire socialist that opposes any repeal of the death tax, will eventually be put in his place....of course he is not faced with losing the family farm...he can stand to lose $500,000,000 in estate taxes...
Vista is the straw that broke the camel's back.
Yep, and Ubuntu has brough many to Linux that otherwise would have never tried Linux on the desktop. This year is definately the turning point in the desktop OS wars.
Tech pings? It's good to see the demand for Linux is increasing at HP.
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Not all. Their development tools are quite good. So is Visio, but that was written by another company and acquired by Microsoft.
My daughter (and I) love linux... all of the four flavors we've used. So far I've not tried Ubuntu... I really don't like that name at all, for one... also, I've not seen any real reason to do so as of now.
Not too uncommon :)
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-073.mspx
Vista is dumb. I've tried it.
Operating systems are commodities. Linux is free. Do the math
I use XP because I'm lazy and got it for fee at my job
Look at Bill Gates blow his wad on idiotic charity schemes. That's what suckers have been paying for for years
Actually, they can, and there have been security fixes. Visual studio communicates over the network with web servers, database servers, content management systems and other servers. You expose yourself when you do that.
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So Beautiful, So Disturbing
I wake. For a moment, I stare at the ceiling trying to remember something. Something important. Something important happened last night, but the details escape me. Something fascinating yet sinister, like touring the CIA offices. Something exotic yet somehow familiar, like putting hot sauce on meatloaf. I wonder if I have a hangover. I wonder why I am thinking about the CIA and meatloaf. I roll onto my side.
There is a strange woman in bed with me.
A lot of things happen at once. First, I realize that this is the most beautiful woman I have ever seen, and I am a lucky, lucky man. Second, I realize that this is not my wife, and I panic. Third, I realize that she's awake, has been watching me sleep. Fourth, before I can really react to thoughts 1 and 2, she smiles at me and speaks with a lovely accent I can't quite place: "So. You like new wife, yes? Yes. Up now, I make breakfast."
She gets out of bed and stretches, perfect curves sliding under silky lingerie and momentarily making me forget about breakfast, meatloaf, and whoever it was I was married to before last night. She seems to know this, and smiles at me again, but apparently she's serious about making breakfast. She turns and strides confidently from the room. As she does, I see for the first time the large Microsoft logo splayed across her back. My stomach lurches as I suddenly remember everything.
Windows Vista. I bought a new computer yesterday... and it came with Windows Vista.
I feel sick, but there's nothing for it but to get up. I step into the hallway and realize that she has remodeled the entire house. I really like the bathroom, it's very modern and artistic. As I shower I discover that the acoustics are absolutely perfect. I dry off with a giant fluffy towel and think to myself that this can't be all bad.
I return to the bedroom to dress. She has set out clothes for me. I am startled to discover that they're fresh from the dryer, warm and soft and smelling faintly of fabric softener. The jeans and shirt are a new style for me, but they feel fantastic as I pull them on, comfortable and loose in all the right places. As I look myself up and down in the full-length mirror, I realize that I look really good dressed like this. You hardly even notice the logo.
It takes me five full minutes to realize that my wallet and glasses are missing. They're not on the nightstand or the dresser. Well, maybe she put them someplace when she exchanged my clothes. I head downstairs to ask her.
The question dies on my lips as I reach the foyer. First off, my house now has a foyer. Sunlight streams in through thousands of cut facets. There is so much glass I almost wonder if there are walls. White tile stretches across the floor, forming a beautiful backdrop for stunning furniture and art. My house now has art in it. And there, by the front door, stands my beautiful new bride, smiling fondly at me as she silently throttles the paperboy.
The world goes dark and my vision becomes a tunnel. I see the paperboy, pinned to the wall. Her impossibly strong hands around his throat, squeezing. His feet are kicking--she has lifted him off the floor by his neck. He looks desperately at me, eyes wide in terror, mouth opening and closing but unable to make a sound. My lovely wife smiles again and says, "This paperboy needs your permission to continue."
Numbly, I nod my head. Instantly she releases the paperboy. He coughs once, then stands up and smiles as if nothing has happened. He hands me the paper and leaves. Still dumbfounded, I watch silently as she pads softly to the kitchen and begins cooking.
After several minutes I realize that I am just standing there, watching her. I am still shaking, but she is so beautiful... so beautiful it makes my chest ache. I continue staring until the shaking goes away. Eventually I drag myself from my reverie, but it is not easy. I decide to try conversation.
"Oh, when I was dressing, I noticed that my wallet and glasses are gone. Did you move them? Where are they?"
"Glasses?" she asks in reply. "...wallet?"
"Yeah, so I can do stuff."
"I can do stuff," she says. "With me, you can do more."
"Uh, yeah... but I really need my glasses."
She smiles at me thoughtfully. I smile back, but slowly I realize that she's not going to answer me. After several seconds of standing there looking beautiful, she turns back to the stove and resumes cooking.
"Okay," I announce. "I'll find them myself." Immediately she jumps in front of me.
"You would like help finding something? I have many new ways to search."
Ooookay. Kind of creepy, but... "Yeah. Where are my glasses?"
"Glasses?"
"Yes. Oh, okay. Look, what I want is to see the screen resolution."
She turns and goes straight to a cupboard. "Resolution is in cupboard seven. Appearance and Personalization, Adjust screen resolution. Also in cupboard nine, Ease of Access Center, Adjust screen resolution for reading."
"Oh, I see. It used to be I just right-clicked anywhere on the desktop and chose Properties. Cupboard seven, I guess. I just want to see what the current resolution is."
She listens dutifully but stares at me blankly.
"Well? Let's have a look. What is the resolution?"
She looks into cupboard seven. "You are using Gateway Widescreen LCD monitor and Norwood Micro LCD. I have set best resolutions for them. Would you like breakfast?"
"No, I want to know what the resolution is."
"It is the best for these monitors. They are side by side now. I can duplicate the same image on both of them if you want--"
"No! Just tell me what the resolution is! It's a brand-new monitor and I want to know what the native LCD resolution is! I don't want to change anything, I just want to know what you're doing with it!"
She continues to smile beautifully at me, but does nothing. It's as if she doesn't realize how frustrated I am. Or perhaps she cannot conceive the possibility of not satisfying me, of not being beautiful enough. I realize this is getting nowhere. I march past her and peer into the cupboard.
It is full of beautifully polished tools and devices, laid out in an aesthetically pleasing pattern. The pattern is strange to me but I can see that once I learn it it will be easier to find and use the tools I use most. It's annoying now, but I can already start to see how I could get used to this. At last I see my glasses on a back shelf, tucked out of the way. I reach in and pull them out.
Suddenly the world goes dark again. She has turned me around, her beautiful gaze locked with mine. I cannot breathe, and realize with horror that her perfect hands are closed about my throat. The world, so full of sound, goes eerily silent. I claw at her hands but they are unyielding. She smiles, as beautifully as always, and says, "Display Properties needs your permission to continue." Somehow I manage to nod or squeak out an affirmation, and she lets go. Color and sound return to the world as I fall to me knees, gasping for breath.
I stay down for several minutes, not daring to look up at her. She resumes cooking. I don't look up until I hear her setting the table. At last I climb to my feet and ask the only question I can think of.
"What's for breakfast?"
She smiles that perfect smile at me again and replies, "Meatloaf."
I look at the meatloaf. I look at her. I rub my neck and think of the CIA. I look at her again. She really is gorgeous.
"Oh, what the hell," I say as I sit down and grab the hot sauce. "I can get used to this."
It's high time somebody stepped up to the plate. Dell got scared. Let's hope HP faces down MS and moves forward with this. I'm an enthusiastic user of both Windows and Linux(and OS X for that matter), but MS needs some market pressure to keep their pricing in check. Both MS's EULA's and pricing is getting completely out of hand.
what do you use for word processing?
didn't red hat sell out?
Now there's an unbiased source if I ever saw one. /SARCASM
Definitely?
Bill Clinton has been known to drop it on occasion too.
XP will be the last version of windows for me. I guess I will have to get penguinfied.
Have you even looked over the contributions listed on gatesfoundation.com? That's an awfully broad statement to try and claim they are all just a waste of money.
That's what suckers have been paying for for years
Well I don't just give my money away, and I remember buying software that has served me well for years. If Gates wants to give it away to charity, good for him, I can think of lots worse places it could go.
Nice, at least some of the suckiness has been removed.
It's more than just the interface that's fragmented, even the disk format is a warground. These folks just can't get along, ever heard of "Ice Weasel"?
I installed Ubuntu on a 533MHZ Celeron laptop I have here, with 192Meg memory.
The machine will turn on the fan if it gets hot - with Windows on it, the fan only occasionally comes on. With Ubuntu, it is on ALL THE TIME.
The mouse setup is almost completely unusable. Do a Google on Ubuntu and Mouse and you will see what I mean. It skips... then it stops. It jumps to areas of the screen I haven't even been near.
Now mouse technology is not exactly bleeding edge. I've run with a mouse on DOS 6.2 machines with no problems whatever.
Ubuntu.
Thumbs down. Not anywhere near ready for prime time.
Dell started in his garage and is now a billionaire. Nobody will be doing that with Linux.
Merlin: It's not for you, Uther......hearth and home, wife and child.MS used it's power to threaten computer manufacturers that carried other OS systems. They ran many software companies out of business. They just backstabbed the companies that signed on for the "Microsoft Plays for Sure" partnership by making the Zune incompatible with "Plays for Sure." One of the reasons MS is having so much trouble penetrating other markets is because companies know what MS does once it gets dominance in a market. Sony and Nintendo compete against each other, but they both hate MS. Michael Dell has been writing articles and almost begging Jobs to let Dell release an OSX machine.
Uther: To kill and be king, is that all?
Merlin: Perhaps not even that.
Uther: You strike me with words hard as steel.
Merlin: You betrayed the Duke, you stole his wife......you took his castle, now no one trusts you.
I'll stick with Apple, but Linux may be the OS to give the other manufacturers a choice in computer manufacturing. FWIW, a lot of the Linux guys are going to look back fondly on the days of being obscure and tweaking the OS, and speaking their own language that no one else understood. I don't say that because of the canard about virus attacks. I say that because there's something cool about being a pioneer. I suspect when Linux hits it big, some of the current Linux afficianados will look at another OS, or continue to create niche OS interfaces. Not because they're snobs or elitists, but because they're pioneers, and once a path gets a little too worn, they want to head for the wild country.
That's absolutely wonderful for Michael Dell. What that has to do with this thread, I have no idea.
Dell is too smart to waste his time on Linux. If somebody thinks they can beat him to the Linux market, he obviously left the door wide open for you. More likely they'll continue to lob potshots at the man, rather than realize the failings of their "community" product.
Visio was much better back before they got bought out by MSFT.
Dell already uses Linux. I just configured and installed a PowerEdge server that came direct from the factory with Red Hat installed.
Check the title thread police. Desktops not servers.
I think I understand you aren't much of a Linux fan, but I can tell you from a professional point of view that it's coming. To desktops, laptops, servers, handhelds, etc. etc. Will it put MS out of business? Not a chance. But it most certainly [b]will[/b] become a viable option for many, many people. It already is.
And your proof of this claim is? There is none that I know of. The facts are Dell already tried to offer Linux on the desktop, but pulled it due to losses.
I understand you aren't much of a Linux fan, but I can tell you from a professional point of view that it's coming.
From who, on the desktop? Look at the top PC sales vendors, none offer Linux on a "desktop", only expensive workstations or servers sold to businesses that cost a premium. The day Red Hat or Suse can charge enough for their products to kick some back to Dell to pay for their support costs is the day Dell starts offering it preinstalled. Obviously that point is nowhere near.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^Bill Gates, the billionaire socialist that opposes any repeal of the death tax, will eventually be put in his place....of course he is not faced with losing the family farm...he can stand to lose $500,000,000 in estate taxes...^^^^^^^^^^^^
Shhhh!!! Don't say that too loud. We have plenty of posters around here who aren't aware of Billy's political slant.
As you know, only Stallmanites are leftists.
Jobs? He's not a leftist either.
*sarcasm*
Now, if only they could remove the bloat.
^^^^^^^^^^^^Dell started in his garage and is now a billionaire. Nobody will be doing that with Linux.^^^^^^^^^^^^
You've never heard of Marc Ewing, have you?
http://www.redhat.com/about/corporate/timeline.html
^^^^^^^^^^^^1994
Marc Ewing creates his own distribution of Linux which he names Red Hat Linux. Released in October, it becomes known as the Halloween release.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What are the possibilities that he was somewhere in the area of his garage when he did this?
He may not be a *B*illionaire, but I'm sure he's laughing all the way to the bank.
If things keep up, he may very well end up being a billionaire.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^The day Red Hat or Suse can charge enough for their products to kick some back to Dell to pay for their support costs is the day Dell starts offering it preinstalled. Obviously that point is nowhere near.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's sort of a red herring argument. Linux doesn't require anything like the amount of upkeep that a windows machine does.
It's about on par with a mac. OS 9 or 10. They just don't need much upkeep.
The most upkeep that I do personally is my browser cache. Talk about a backbreaker.
Hey, is your spyware software up to date? :-)
Not in almost 10 years now, no. Who has? I just did a Google search on him, the first link that comes up is from the 90's on Salon.com about how he was taking on Microsoft. Red Hat is now run by the Szulik family based on the latest reports. The Chinese rename it "Red Flag", all legal, as you probably already know.
Linux might make sense if a browser cache is all you have to support. That could potentially explain their 3% market share.
To my knowledge, he's still a part of the higher echelon/board members.
^^^^^^^^^^^^Linux might make sense if a browser cache is all you have to support.^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Nah, that's the only thing that needs upkeep. Everything else just works.
It's beautiful when things work as advertised.
And the price was just right.
Name some of the projects you like that the Gates foundation is funding. To me the man was a nasty dogged business competitor. A buccaneer who took (and takes) no prisoners.
But when it comes to charity he blows his billions on the usual useless shit. Nothing innovative
Microsoft did cram in a lot of needless, confusing junk as is their way. But the database and web site diagramming are pretty cool. I don't mean make one yourself, but point it to a database or web site and it'll diagram the whole thing for you automatically. It helps when you're given a database or web site and are told "Re-do this."
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
He was a billionaire before the dotcom bust. He's in the several hundred million range right now. But GE's right in a way -- it wasn't a garage, but a spare bedroom.
Virtually all your arguments are based on the premise that because no major player supports/preinstalls Linux it isn't a serious OS. Will your tune change if HP or Dell makes Linux preinstalled and widely available?
No, I don't see the point in supporting a foreign clone of Unix when superior American originals like Sun Solaris and Apple OSX are readily available. Especially not a clone that's endorsed by every communist nation on earth, if not marketed by them including the infamous Chinese "Red Flag" version. I realize most people don't care about that, all they care about is did they get their copy for free or nearly free, but some of us have a higher grade of concerns.
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