Posted on 03/17/2006 8:50:53 AM PST by High Cotton
Teaching about the slave trade "is the right thing to do," Wright said. "Absent South Carolina, the biggest importer of slaves was New York City."
The New York Historical Society recently presented an exhibition on slavery in New York that featured documents, paintings, video and sculpture.
In lower Manhattan, a long-lost burial ground where thousands of slaves and free blacks were laid to rest during the 18th century was recently declared a national monument by President Bush.
Slavery was abolished in New York in 1827, but when the American Revolution began in 1776, the only city with more slaves than New York was Charleston, South Carolina.
Oyster Bay eighth-grader Fiona Brunner said she was amazed to find out there were slaves buried near Oyster Bay.
"You always think that happened so far away, only in the South, and a lot of it was right here in our town," she said.
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
(Psst. Your mouth is foaming.)
Where? In one of those secret letters you claim to have seen during your imaginary "graduate school days"?
had his life not been shortened by Mr Booth, he MIGHT have been able to do just that. after all, he HAD "preserved the union", though at the PERMANENT cost of LIBERTY!
free dixie,sw
"Did not represent the Confederacy"? He was their vice president. And as much as you might try to claim that the reporter somehow got it wrong, here's what Stephens wrote himself in his memoir about what he was trying to express: "The relation of the black to the white race, or the proper status of the coloured population amongst us, was a question now of vastly more importance than when the old Constitution was formed. The order of subordination was nature's great law; philosophy taught that order as the noraml condition of the African amongst European races. Upon this recognized principle of a proper subordination, let it be called slavery or what not, our State institutions were formed and rested. The new Confederation was entered into with this distinct understanding. This principle of the subordination of the inferior to the superior was the "corner-stone" on which it was formed."
http://www.adena.com/adena/usa/cw/cw223.htm
In other words, the Confederacy wasn't founded on the cornerstone of slavery, it was founded on the cornerstone of racial subordination of blacks, "let it be called slavery or what not." Yes, that's much better.
Let's not forget that New York's large Irish population was largely anti-black and supported the Confederacy. Those that were drafted into the union served honorably, however.
I still think that Thaddeus Stevens and William Seward were far greater men than any of the third-rate incompetants who ran the confederacy. The only man with any brains or sense was Judah Benjamin IMHO. Even he knew to flee to England when the war was ending.
LOL....without looking downthread...I expect major carnage already.
"abe took up wearing a stove top hat to cover his halo..."
billbears them thar yankees will be all over ya for jump'n thar hero.
Perhaps in their wildest dreams. The abolitionist party reached its peak of around 300,000 in the late 1830s. Less than 2% of the total population.
There was an Indian uprising here in the upper midwest. Many many indians were to be hanged. Lincoln stepped in, and in an extremely unpopular move, pardoned all but a few leaders.
Judging by the old newspapers, the kindly people of the North simply couldn’t keep their bond servants from running away. Here are some ads from 1787 issues of the Pennsylvania Gazette:
Ran away last night from the subscriber, living in East Whiteland, Chester county, a SERVANT MAN, named William Thompson, about 5 feet 8 inches high, slim built, of a fair complexion, short fair hair, and sometimes ties it. Took with him a white linen coat, a spotted velvet waistcoat, flowered on the breast and pocket flaps, a pair of white ribbed cotton drawers, a pair of ribbed tow stockings, a pair of charmel pumps almost new, two shirts, two pair of trousers, a German flute, and can play on it well, stamped with the letters J. V. says he was born in England. Whoever takes up the said servant, and secures him in any goal, so that his master may have him again, shall have FOUR DOLLARS reward, and reasonable charges. July 30, 1787. THOMAS HARRIS
EIGHT DOLLARS Reward. Ran away from the subscriber, in New Hanover township, Montgomery county, on the 19th of this instant July, a bound APPRENTICE LAD, named John Rutter, about 19 years of age, blackish hair, a wheelwright by trade; had on and took with him, a flax linnen [sic] shirt and trowsers, wool hat and calf-skin shoes. Whoever takes up the said apprentice, and delivers him to the subscriber, shall have the above reward, and reasonable charges, paid by PHILIP YOST, New Hanover, July 23, 1787
FOUR DOLLARS Reward. Ran away from the subscriber, living in Brandywine hundred, New Cante(? unclear) county, about the 10th instant, an APPRENTICE BOY, named Levi Hughes, about 5 feet 8 inches high, has a down look, fairish hair. Had on when he went away a half worn wool hat, a light coloured cloth jacket without sleeves, tow trowsers, a pair of old shoes, with carved silver buckles, marked A. M. Any person or perons apprehending said apprentice, so that his master may get him again, shall receive the above award, paid by JOS. DAY. July 30, 1787. N. B. The said boy has got a remarkable bad scar on one of his legs.
THREE POUNDS Reward. Ran away from the subscriber on Sunday, the 1st instant, an Irish SERVANT LAD, named Hugh Wilson, about 17 years of age, 5 feet 6 inches high, brown hair, much pitted with the snall pox, had on when he went away, a linen coat and waistcoat, of a copperas colour, tow trousers, an old pair of shoes, and felt hat half worn. Whoever takes up said servant, and secures him so that his master may have him again, shall have the above reward, and all reasonable charges, paid by STEPHEN LOVE. Horsham township, Montgomery county, July 5, 1787.
Philadelphia, July 2, 1787. EIGHT DOLLARS Reward. Ran away from the subscriber, a Dutch SERVANT MAN John Henry Henning, appears to be about 45 years of age, is a middle sized, well set man, professed to be a tallow chandler by trade, understands but little of the English language; having been purchased from on ship board last fall. The fore part of his head is bald, his hair thin, of a light colour, and usually combed back. How he is appareled is uncertain, as he left his usual clothing behind him. Whoever apprehends this [my page ends]
Ran away, the 6th instant August, at night, from the subscriber, living in East Whiteland, Chester county, state of Pennsylvania, a SERVANT MAN, named James Shaerer, about 25 years of age, 5 feet 6 inches high, dark complexion, fresh coloured, short dark brown hair : Had on and took with him a white cloth coat with metal buttons, three jackets cloth and linen, light coloured cloth breeches, several pairs of trowsers, striped and plain, a new wool hat, new shoes and plated buckles. He had been in this country several years past, went to Ireland last fall, and returned again in the ship Friendship, Captain McCadden, who had lately arrived at the port of Philadelphia. Whoever secures said servant, so that his master may have him again, shall be entitled to SIX DOLLARS reward and reasonable charges, paid by THOMAS CUMMINS. August 9, 1787.
But according to Abraham St. Lincoln, the South couldn't secede, so they could have never "left".
So the current Dem's being into slavery has a long historical tradition. ---no sarcasm intended---they are really "into it",
So that's what the union government calls it is it? I'm sure I could find writings from my ancestors that didn't see it as 'the means' for readmission. Pillage, complete destruction, and breakdown of society at the hands of 'benevolent' military governors. Hmmm....oh wait
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/aaohtml/exhibit/aopart5.html
That explains it.
That is what I posted. (rolling eyes)
By chance in your Constitution do you happen to see anything in there referring to habeous corpus? Moreover, when was Maryland planning to take up arms?
FYI
Section 9, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution.
"The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it. "
(AT THE TIME MARYLAND was not IN REBELLION and NO INVASION had taken place. )
The path the Radicals took was never what Lincoln or even Sherman wanted. It was getback for a war they contributed at least half for starting...and none of the radicals saw any action that I know of sans Sumner getting his ass kicked by Brooks.
The funny thing is that Stevens and Seward were protectionists to the extreme who made Pat Buchanan look like Milton Friedman. I always get a kick out of Southern Paleocons who come across as old Yankee Republicans when it comes to "protecting jobs."
Througout the 19th Century and well into the early part of the 20th, both parties were largely defined by class and region rather than by ideology. Both Democrats and Republicans had liberal and conservative factions. Most of the Republicans were vehemently anti-slavery, but strongly anti-immigrant as well. That is why the Democrats were the party of both Southern Planters and the Irish American urban proletariat by the 1860s, while Republicans included both New England Abolitionists and "western" railroad barons and bankers.
Back to Stevens, it is well known that he had a second family with his black female servant, who he reportedly loved more than his wife. Its a shame the one movie that was done about this great (IMHO) Pennsylvanian didn't pick up on this, and instead depicted the great love of his life as a "laws of mercy" caricature.
One of the great things about visiting Beauvoir is that they were brutally honest in explaining how Jeff Davis was HATED by many, if not most, southerners for his incompetance during the war. It was only after he wrote his memoirs, and traveled through Europe (befriending Oscar Wilde!) that he revived his reputations.
I give Benjamin credit for his near successful feting of the UK for support of the Confederacy. Had the GA of the R been decisively routed at Antietam and later Gettysburg, the Royal Navy may have paid a visit to Baltimore Harbor.
The zeal shared by Stevens, Sumner, Seward, Stanton and a handful of others was not by any stretch shared by many northern politicians of either party nor the Whigs before them.
And don't think those highbred WASPY northeasterners were any less gentrified than Southern plantocracy folks.
They desired to punish the South beyond an appetite most Americans had for such actions and that is why they ultimately failed and are only viewed positively by revisionist...even today by Northern scholars. I see a handful of race oriented folks on this forum who worship Thasddeus but that's about it.
Now...granted....Southern military leadership deserved better political management.
I'm not familiar with Southern paleocons over protectionism. They virtually offered blowjobs around here for the Nissan headquarters.
Southern paleocons down here are though very right wing on culture issues as you well know.
I often wonder why the radicals refused to discuss compensation to end slavery. The Brits and Dutch and others did....even the governments of Spain and Portugal offered some to smooth it along.
The Radicals wanted no part of that. They wanted war sure as the firebreathers did. And they both got it. Damned shame to me. Could have been avoided had cooler heads prevailed
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