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Ukraine conflict: how China could follow Russia’s playbook to increase its own powers
The Conservation ^ | 7/13/22 | Robert M. Dover

Posted on 07/13/2022 8:16:34 AM PDT by JonPreston

Amid the restructuring of the global order that has been accelerated by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the evolving position of China had been lost in the fog of war. The heads of the UK’s security service (MI5) and US Federal Bureau of Investigation sought to disperse this fog with a rare joint press conference warning of the “immense threat” from China.

For China, the invasion of Ukraine has provided substantial intelligence about how the west would respond militarily, economically and politically to a Chinese invasion of Taiwan: they know that the western response will entail a large package of sanctions, cyber operations against key infrastructure and assets and direct military support, aligned with efforts to ostracise any invaders internationally. Chinese mitigation can now be built into those military plans.

The real winners of the invasion of Ukraine are not likely to be Russian, even if it’s their flag that is raised in the Donbas and elsewhere. It will be the Chinese government who has stood back and seen its rivals spending considerable economic and military fortunes on a small and nasty war in Ukraine, while it has accelerated its own influencing operations in the west. This is what has spooked the intelligence heads, and that is why they are calling for the world to pay attention.

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To: PIF

Wishful thinking—China and Russia take each other out. England thought Hitler would take out Stalin—They didn’t know Hitler would move on them and sign a treaty between the two tyrants (Hitler’s biggest mistake—the attack on USSR). No China will be good ally of Russia for now. They need their oil and support and their backing for their next move—Might not be Taiwan. Could be Vietnam? (Lots of bad blood between them—The North Vietnamese kicked their butt royal decades ago—But China is bigger and more powerful now. US Troops may well be sent to defend Hanoi this time. Or, A move on those Japanese Islands they claim —Will Japan act with Abe Gone? A nuke threat will cause Japan to fold. They are stricken with Nukeaphobia. Or China may well act against India—to humble them for control of the Indian Ocean. Fund a Strike and invasion from Pakistan in Kashmir. China is putting a naval base in Indian Ocean, Why? USN may be involved with a Naval war in the Indian Ocean. They may well move on Malaya or even Singapore. They may well move on the Pacific Island Nations to help lock up the West and humble Australia. That of South Korea by supporting the North and wreck South Korea as an economic rival. War between the two Koreas would end Korea’s power and make a ruin of that land. Would Biden’s Corruptocrat Government send in the Troops to help the south—Too Little, Too Late.


21 posted on 07/13/2022 10:23:39 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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To: WMarshal

100% correct.


22 posted on 07/13/2022 10:24:10 AM PDT by entropy12 (Trump/DeSantis & MAGA! are the only way to keep USA viable. Are so many somany)
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To: JonPreston

More harm to US Economy was done by helping China get admitted to WTO than anything Nixon did.


23 posted on 07/13/2022 10:25:25 AM PDT by entropy12 (Trump/DeSantis & MAGA! are the only way to keep USA viable. Are so many somany)
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To: WMarshal

“ All they can think about is Russia because they are indoctrinated and mentally deficient.”

And in all likelihood have fed voraciously on Chinese money in D.C.


24 posted on 07/13/2022 10:27:47 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast (Make Orwell Fiction Again)
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To: datura

Hey hero, I don’t care if you charged up San Juan Hill with a slingshot, anyone, absolutely anyone, standing with Demented Joe and the waves of global s’bags in defense of the s’hole that is the Ukraine is a Neocon. So take the label, love the label, enjoy the label, it’s all you.


25 posted on 07/13/2022 10:27:51 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: datura; JonPreston
The WEF is a far greater enemy to humanity than anything ever seen.

I don’t understand why members of the WEF are allowed to feel safe among us.

Just as you don't understand that the GloboHomo(Nazi) agenda is NOT temporary.

While I think there will be a Red Wave this November, (Hopefully a Red Tsunami), the GloboHomoNazi Agenda won't be impeded in the slightest by the backstabbing Elitist Republican Deep Swamp Shills.

And Communist China won't Touch Russia until they have driven the US out of the Western Pacific.

26 posted on 07/13/2022 10:30:00 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: entropy12

As a free trader, Nixon saw China as a future, giant, market where American products would one day be bought by a democratic citizenry. The WTO came later with Reagan and Bush #41. Both philosophies were drastically wrong.


27 posted on 07/13/2022 10:32:44 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: JonPreston

“For China, the invasion of Ukraine has provided substantial intelligence about how the west would respond militarily, economically and politically to a Chinese invasion of Taiwan...”

If China thinks we would respond the same way to an invasion of Taiwan, they may be miscalculating.


28 posted on 07/13/2022 10:35:56 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Navy Patriot
While I think there will be a Red Wave this November, (Hopefully a Red Tsunami), the GloboHomoNazi Agenda won't be impeded in the slightest by the backstabbing Elitist Republican Deep Swamp Shills.

So true. When Republicans win elections the nation still moves to the left. Been watching it for decades.

29 posted on 07/13/2022 10:36:16 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: JonPreston; DesertRhino

You personally throw around the word “neocon” just as the left uses the term “racist or transphobic” to anyone who disagrees with your twisted POV. Not surprising.

What’s your former rank and MOS?

I’ll bet you don’t have either. The soldier I pinged in this post gets it - another grunt like me. Like me, he distrusts our government, but also knows things change. We did what we had to do, for people who disagreed with everything we did. It was our duty to stand up for those who disagreed with us, as we knew if we didn’t, our rights to disagree would disappear.

When I left the Army I was an Infantry Platoon Sergeant, 11B30, with time in grade. (Right after Kuwait.)


30 posted on 07/13/2022 10:36:35 AM PDT by datura (Eventually, the Lord and the Truth will win.)
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To: WMarshal

“China is the main threat”

Anyone who thinks China is the main threat is illiterate when it comes to geopolitics and the global balance of power.


31 posted on 07/13/2022 10:37:06 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Navy Patriot

As long as the WEF runs the show, the globohomo agenda will continue, along with whatever plandemic they trot out as an excuse. Bounties need to exist on each member, maybe a dark group like Anonymous can post them. There are lots of former or current operators available to perform these tasks.

Folks forget that each nation - Russia and China included - is playing their set roles in the Great Reset. The only thing that can alter this path is elimination of the true enemy.


32 posted on 07/13/2022 10:41:50 AM PDT by datura (Eventually, the Lord and the Truth will win.)
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To: Boogieman
Anyone who thinks China is the main threat is illiterate when it comes to geopolitics and the global balance of power.

Correct. it is the "liberal world order" gang that is the main threat to the global balance of power.

33 posted on 07/13/2022 10:43:20 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: datura

I’m not impressed. Why not go grab some beer with Milley, Vindman, or admiral Levin. Swap war stories, maybe they’ll be impressed with your heroics. Our nation is tumbling into hell, thanks to people like you and your politics. I’m concerned about the here and now and most immediately, the fight against brainwashed Zelenskyy man-drones and their insatiable, sick, love of war. So there you go, Audie Murphy. So much for your leftist innuendo.


34 posted on 07/13/2022 10:48:08 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: datura; JonPreston
Folks forget that each nation - Russia and China included - is playing their set roles in the Great Reset.

Yeah, and folks misrepresent the roles the US, Ukraine, Russia, and China actually choose to play as opposed to their "set" roles.

The "Noble Ukraine Freedom Fighter" Boosters are particularly good at this.

35 posted on 07/13/2022 10:56:26 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: JonPreston
When Republicans win elections the nation still moves to the left. Been watching it for decades.

Apparently "Nobel Ukraine" Boosters are unable to see this.

36 posted on 07/13/2022 11:03:59 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Boogieman
"Anyone who thinks China is the main threat is illiterate when it comes to geopolitics and the global balance of power."

It is official. You are either an idiot or on the ChiCom payroll. Sod off.

37 posted on 07/13/2022 11:09:35 AM PDT by WMarshal (Neocons and leftists are the same species of vicious rat.)
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To: Navy Patriot
"Apparently "Nobel Ukraine" Boosters are unable to see this."

The Ghost of Kiev was their greatest hero and he was just a computer generated fantasy.

38 posted on 07/13/2022 11:11:43 AM PDT by WMarshal (Neocons and leftists are the same species of vicious rat.)
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To: JonPreston

This is old news. 5th army moved most of its forces from from Siberia to Ukraine for the so called exercises back in January. Since then they’ve moved even more forces to Ukraine. They have nothing left which is why I keep saying China is going to attack because why wouldn’t they?


39 posted on 07/13/2022 2:46:42 PM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ Soviet Russia must be destroyed. ☭☭☭)
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To: MercyFlush
5th army moved most of its forces from from Siberia to Ukraine for the so called exercises back in January. Since then they’ve moved even more forces to Ukraine.

Link please.

40 posted on 07/13/2022 3:30:59 PM PDT by JonPreston
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