Posted on 03/25/2020 8:44:47 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Jay Forman became very ill earlier this month and tested positive for the coronavirus. He went to the hospital on March 16th with a fever and a cough. The doctor gave him Motrim and a cough medicine and sent him home. After he went home he got progressively worse.
By last Friday Jay was in bad shape and had to go back to the hospital. He had a 102 degree temperature was coughing and couldn’t speak and couldn’t breathe.
Then the doctors gave him hydroxychloroquine on Saturday morning and a Z-Pak. Four days later his fever broke and he has no symptoms. He was released from the hospital on Thursday morning.
Laura Ingraham: Before you got the hydroxychloroquine you felt you were going in a really bad direction?
Jay Forman: Absolutely. I think the hydroxychoroquine and the Z-Pak definitely saved my life.
Laura Ingraham: And what do you think of governors who are saying doctors cannot prescribe it in off-label use if it’s not part of a controlled study…?
Jay Forman: They have to do what they have to do to save people’s lives! I’m laying in the bed in the hospital and I’m watching President Trump saying this can possibly can work. And I’m living proof! I’m on the TV now with you!
This was SOOO powerful!
Via The Ingraham Angle:
“We” know right now. The data is there already. Among the seriously ill and dead of the last month. “We” know. You and I don’t but “We” do.
As far as drugs go I have3 been watching this stuff all my life. A big trial is done to “answer the question” and everybody is waiting to see the result because it’s important. Then the day comes and “the drug is effective, blah, blah” and down in the mattress ads it says, “...significantly produces 2% better outcomes”. The media breathlessly reports “Drug X is Effective!” Nobody gets to the “2%” and happily pays 5x the price of the old drug. Two years later we find out that, “Well, maybe it was just 1% but (because the study was large) it is “significant” which has a medical meaning the layman is totally unaware of.
I’ve seen this movie and I didn’t like it any other time.
Ibuprofen is the worst thing to do
makes virus worse
Say if have fever to use Tylenol
Here’s how it actually works in Clinical Medicine. Decades ago a study was done on prescribing practices. Almost all doctors have a “list” of 25 medicines they are comfortable with and use them to treat the patients they actually see every day. I personally felt my list was much larger but my practice has probably always been unique.
In any case most doctors have an “opinion” of each drug they use regularly. “Great drug”, neutral drug, questionable drug, terrible drug, never prescribe drug. We all have our own opinions but among the 25 or 100 drugs we might prescribe every day that is the way it works. Which is why I said fro the first “Plaquenil is a terrible drug”. That is the category I placed it in years ago. My only use for it has been in patients who wanted to go to Thailand for some god awful region. I wouldn’t go anywhere I had to take this drug voluntarily, but, hey, that’s just me.
Maybe now you understand a bit better why I said “Terrible DRug”. This was not a new opinion. This is an opinion I reached decades ago and like Bill Gates wonder why it’s still on the market. Why something better hasn’t been come up with for over decades.
Four days later the fever broke? That doesn’t prove anything about this drug. You might as well say the hospital food did the same thing.
If this drug does have nay effect on changing outcomes we must find a better one and quickly. Incidentally, my opinion on the Zpak is it doesn’t do anything about the disease the idea is just to prevent nosocomial infections in patients already at death’s door. That’s just a suspicion. Not saying it shouldn’t be used because it could actually help reduce mortality be preventing other bacteria from coming in and making things worse. Azithromycin is a “Great Drug” in my opinion. I have taken it myself. Much better than the flouroquinalones because I have seen a bunch of en take this and snap their Achilles Tendon. Folate is a WONDERFUL drug”. It is the only thing in a health store that works. It actually reduces Birth defects and it is a totally harmless Vitamin.
Maybe this helps you understand how I (and many) doctors manage the application of information we are overloaded with. I h ope so.
IOW if the only drug we were talking about was Azithromycin I would never have said a thing. Great drug. Throw a ton of that at this disease. I would have no problem with an ad hoc experiment of throwing a ton of Azithromycin at this. None whatsoever.
Actually azkthromycin has a anti inflammatory properties in the lungs. It is always a bad idea to prophylax against infections. It just insures when you do get the infection it will be a resistant organism
I know, people have been debating prophylaxis for COPD for decades. How has the debate gone in the last couple of year? Not to? It’s faddish. The answer changes every few years.
...and in my experience once they have any symptoms, the antibiotics do help. It’s one of those things you do knowing “the literature” doesn’t quite support it.
Am I the only one who “classes drugs” like I have or do you as well?
Excellent advice and you illustrated it with some great examples!
To me it’s beginning to look like we really dodged a bullet on the whole. I think everybody assumed it would spread inside the USA like “Brownian Motion”. Everybody knew that wouldn’t be precisely true but it was expected the deviation would be rather insignificant in our “connected” world. Turns out there is just too much “flyover” country so we are experiencing umpteen separate epidemics. Look at what is happening in Spain right now. Looks like nationwide meltdown to me. When 1/4 of you total deaths is in the last 24 hours the virus is running free.
You realize that with actual trials, there’s a control group. Ethics, in this case, would not permit a control group.
Empirical evidence, in a Public Health Emergency, is equivalent to a study.
Where follow-on tracking studies will be required involve what long-term side effects result from this therapy.
If there is further resistance to mobilizing this therapy world wide, then I’ll be fairly sure this is not some random event, and that it was planned.
Thank you, to both of you.
I will say that for me, “Necessity is the father of research review.” In the case of the contrast CT dye, my wife had to have her heart scanned with it. There are roughly ten iodine-based dyes to choose from. There are two that are clearly better than the rest, but still need tweaks to keep them safe. The second best contrast (Isovue) is the one this hospital used, but the viscosity unwarmed is over 3X more likely to cause issues (warmed to body temperature, iodine contrast materials are 50% lower in viscosity, which is still 6X - 7X thicker than blood). They never used a warmer with it and said it was “safe and okay—I’d give this to my mother,” the CT Tech manager said. I told them about the items I just mentioned here to them, and gave sources to back it up and they got an IV warmer permanently moved to the CT location from the hospital across the street.
When you or a loved one is at risk from a procedure, sanity checking your doctors and specialists is a must. You are able to tweak many situations for your benefit for no cost. Why not do so?
Are there still no ventilators available in your state?
Thanks for asking. I haven’t heard any further first-hand reports. Apparently there’s about 700 ventilators in the state but a fellow is 3-D printing values which helps somehow. The official word is things are “manageable”. I did read somewhere that COVID cases can be 10-15 days on one but other cases are 3-6 days. Perhaps THE TRUMP CURE will turn thus around.
What state are you in?
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