Posted on 02/11/2020 4:13:58 PM PST by Ozguy1945
Was Abraham Lincoln a conservative?
Some people say right/left distinctions are no longer meaningful.
In my own life I was born into a progressive family and absorbed that way of thinking.
When I became older, I have learnt quite painfully how important and valuable maintaining western traditions is, when my own rights were trashed by modern misandry, leading me to create this blog: https://freedom-demokrasi-and-civilised-humanity.com/2017/11/08/freedom-demokrasi-and-civilised-humanity/
Where I write this it is already President Lincoln’s birthday. Who has ever been to Lincoln's birthplace Sinking Spring Farm in Kentucky? Did you learn anything about the man there which came to you from the place?
In modern terms was he the greatest ever progressive president (achiever of change) or was he more a great conservative by saving the union?
No. He was a big government Liberal who initiated the first massive expansion of Washington DC power over the rest of us.
Agreed. He trashed the Bill Of Rights multiple times But the need to free humans in bondage makes it a wash with me.
“Was Abraham Lincoln a conservative?
No. He was a big government Liberal “
Agreed.
Shredded tge Constitution cuz he wanted to.
But I love his hat!
Beaverskin. Sweeeeeet!
“No. He was a big government Liberal who initiated the first massive expansion of Washington DC power over the rest of us.”
Not sure he was any kind of liberal. Corporatist, anti-constitutionist, racist, centralist...and hero of commies?
To anyone who would ask my view, I would say that both sides in the Civil War were morally wrong. And Lincoln did not give a rip about the Constitution. Slavery was wholly evil, but Lincoln could perhaps have purchased their freedom instead of fighting a divisive bloodbath and ripping up the founding document?
That’s why Spielberg , a rabid leftard made Lincoln . Republican presidents are not that sexy to hollywood unless they have their lefty angle in it.
Abe isnt a “big government liberah” because he put down a rebellion. Sorry.
Some people that are barely over 55 are still triggered over that war from 160 years ago will say some really stupid stuff in order to paint the CSA as angels and victims.
Hey, cut him a break. Like Bill Clinton he was married to a shrew.
One could give him moral credit if that was his intent when he began, but the ugly truth is that he was trying to make a deal to keep them enslaved if the Southern states would just remain in the Union.
The Ghost amendment that haunts Lincoln's legacy.
If you read up on him, you find he was a clever wheeler dealer and would horse trade to get what he wanted, and use whatever force was at his disposal when he couldn't.
“but Lincoln could perhaps have purchased their freedom instead of fighting a divisive bloodbath and ripping up the founding document?”
Some yahoos in S. Carolina could have not fired on a federal fort too instead of actually talking-out their made-up fear that Abe was going to “unconstitutionally” make it not ok to hold people in bondage.
If only Abe had not been so evil.
Conservative in the sense that:
1)he was devoted to free enterprise
2)believed in property rights
3)believed in the ability of Americans to aspire to better things by virtue of their own hard work.
I dunno. He was in a tough spot, and i've said in the past that were I in his shoes, I probably would have done the same thing.
I've learned a lot more about the Civil War in the last three years than I ever knew for most of my life, and the main thing i've learned about it is that the common wisdom narrative isn't accurate and there was a whole lot of ugly stuff going on that people don't know about.
They weren't angels, and slavery would have resolved itself in good time, but the big government monster created in an effort to stop them from gaining independence is still with us and has been oppressing the entire nation ever since.
Washington DC and it's crony capitalism power is a center of corruption in this nation. Most of this influence peddling and government excess is a by product of the Civil War.
Lincoln did claim to be be the Constitution conservative in the debate with the south...
based on the South stated reason for leaving ...that Lincoln wasn not going to use the federal government to enforce the slaves state demand slaves be enforceable retured from non slave states.
After the supreme court went activist
with “Dred Scott”.. the civil war Was inevitable no matter who won in 1860...
If federal troops had gone to to non states states to enforce slave states claims the Northern non slave States would of rebelled...
The biggest bs about the civil war west the south was fighting for states right when in fact the South decided to leave the Union simply because Lincon was not going to use the federal step on northern States rights
NO.
Conservatives do not believe in government coercion.
ML/NJ
Are you aware that the reason those "yahoos" in S. Carolina fired on that fort was because Abe Lincoln sent warships to fire on them? It was the arrival of those warships that triggered the bombardment of the fort.
The commander of the Confederate forces had informed Major Anderson that those warships may soon engage his forces on the shore, and he offered a truce to Major Anderson. The terms were that if Anderson agreed not to fire on them if those warships engaged them, then Beauregard's forces would not fire on fort Sumter.
Anderson refused. He said that if they fired on those warships, Sumter would fire on them.
Warships arrived, and Beauregard did what any general in his position would have done. He neutralized one enemy force before he would be obliged to face another.
Did you know about the Warships? Most people don't, because oddly enough they leave it off all the history lessons. People might get the "wrong" idea that Lincoln started the whole thing by sending warships to attack them.
He’s dead, Jim. It really does not matter unless—I’m not sure unless what?
There is quite a bit of evidence that he was devoted to "Crony Capitalism." He was a corporate rail road lawyer before he became President, and one of the things he believed in was big government spending on "infrastructure". His philosophy was called "mercantilism" and he inherited it from Henry Clay who was his mentor.
Basically big government spending projects administered by the Federal government, and paid for by taxes taken from other people.
Lincoln helped to get a very major railroad bill passed in 1862, and it effectively gave huge amounts of public land to the rail road corporations.
That was actually constitutional law at this time. Look up Article 4, section 2, and you will see that the US constitution required the government to do this. It wasn't a choice.
The biggest bs about the civil war west the south was fighting for states right when in fact the South decided to leave the Union simply because Lincon was not going to use the federal step on northern States rights
You have been misinformed. Here is an article that might shock you a little bit. It certainly shocked me when I first read it.
“Are you aware that the reason those “yahoos” in S. Carolina fired on that fort was because Abe Lincoln sent warships to fire on them?”
LOL!
Are you serious?
They went to resupply the damn thing. The horrors!
They didnt make it because they were endanger of being fired in by the shore batteries that fell into Confederate hands.
I have to admit that goofy story you told is a new one.
“The commander of the Confederate forces had informed Major Anderson that those warships may soon engage his forces on the shore”
LOL! Yeah, that’s totally what they were ordered to do, right?
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