https://www.history.com/news/abraham-lincoln-religion-christian-atheist
For some examples.
Now which side disdains God and Religion? Liberal or Conservative?
No. He was a big government Liberal who initiated the first massive expansion of Washington DC power over the rest of us.
Abe isnt a “big government liberah” because he put down a rebellion. Sorry.
Some people that are barely over 55 are still triggered over that war from 160 years ago will say some really stupid stuff in order to paint the CSA as angels and victims.
NO.
Conservatives do not believe in government coercion.
ML/NJ
He’s dead, Jim. It really does not matter unless—I’m not sure unless what?
Was Abraham Lincoln a conservative?
He believed that men should not be chattle property like dogs or horses. He signed the Emancipation Proclamation changing the slave status of 3.5 million people. He lobbied for the passage of the 13th amendment. When passed, that freed the other 800,000 people owned like dogs and horse.
He believed that a working family willing to work the land should have the opportunity. He signed the Land Grant legislation giving families ownership of federal land if they would work it.
He believed that the West Coast of the U.S. should be joined to the rest of the Nation. He signed the Transcontinental Railroad legislation.
He believed that Federal land could in come cases be better used for Education. He signed the Land Grant College legislation.
When it came to his soon to be defeated enemies. He told Grant & Sherman to “go easy on them.”
If that doesn’t conform to the modern view of Conservatism
Then I guess you could call Lincoln a Liberal.
It’s difficult to compare right vs. left in an 1860s context by our standards today...
But, there was nothing “Conservative” about proliferating or allowing the enslavement of millions of Americans to continue indefinitely. The left are the ones that have no problem with slavery.
Lincoln was as far from conservative as it is possible to be.
Would a conservative unilaterally suspend the constitution? Or sign what effectively was an “executive order” that blatantly defied the Constitution’s 4th Amendment?
No.
Yep. Great lawyer. Very Conservative.
The dems in his day also went crazy !
Yep. Great lawyer. Very Conservative.
The dems in his day also went crazy !
Lincoln sided with the wild eyed beyond liberal abolitionists. Abolitionists were considered crazy at best and terrorists by many.
We should just post a daily Civil War discussion thread. This way you can bookmark it to come here and re-live the war over and over and over.
https://www.history.com/news/abraham-lincoln-religion-christian-atheist
For some examples.
Now which side disdains God and Religion? Liberal or Conservative?
Worth a look. Excerpt from article linked below:
Many banks also were closely connected to local politicians and engaged in what today is called crony capitalism. Lincoln was particularly sensitive to this problem. “Nothing,” he said, “is better calculated to engender heartburnings and to enlist enemies of the most hostile character against a bank than for the community to entertain the belief that the institution is used for the benefit of the few to the exclusion of the many.”
https://hbr.org/2003/08/abraham-lincoln-and-the-global-economy
My husband was a student of history and he despised Lincoln and he was usually right about stuff. He blamed Lincoln for the civil war, for one thing, could have been avoided.
“Red Republicans and Lincoln’s Marxists: Marxism in the Civil War” by Walter Kennedy
Ordering my copy later this evening.
In a word, NO!
It is disappointing (to say the least) that we cannot have an open discussion on this topic in a conservative forum.
Most people here, regardless of their position on Lincoln, probably hold many views in common on matters of faith, freedom, family, economics, sovereignty and the like.
In my own life I was born into a progressive family and absorbed that way of thinking.
If your family was left-wing why were they telling you that "right/left distinctions are no longer meaningful"? Something is not right there.
Was Abraham Lincoln a conservative?
If the country broke up wouldn't that be a radical change? If the country or a new country that was founded here decided to make slavery the cornerstone of its society and political system wouldn't that be a radical change? If we cut the country in half and put a fortified border down the middle, wouldn't that be a radical change?
If there was an "Old Republic" that died, it was secession that killed it. After the Confederacy was formed, whatever came next would be different. I'm not sure it makes much sense to describe Washington or Jefferson or Lincoln as liberals or conservatives. Too much has changed from their time to our own. But Lincoln was as much or as little a conservative as he was a liberal.
People complain that he supported federal subsidies for a transcontinental railroad. So did Stephen Douglas. So did Jefferson Davis. If I remember correctly federal funds for a transnational railroad were on the platform of every party in 1860.
The federal government first got involved highway building, broadcasting, and aviation in the 20s when conservative presidents Harding and Coolidge were in the White House. Idiots can call that "crony capitalism," but nobody has to take them seriously.