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“It’s impossible to fire federal employees.” Here are 20 real world examples.
wordpress ^ | September 18, 2018 | Dan from Squirrel Hill

Posted on 09/18/2018 2:33:53 PM PDT by grundle

A recent Project Veritas video showed Stuart Karaffa saying, “It’s impossible to fire federal employees.” Here are 20 real world examples which prove that he is correct.

Stuart Karaffa is an employee at the U.S. State Department. This recently released video from Project Veritas shows him saying:

“I have nothing to lose. It’s impossible to fire federal employees.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXLuqQe8DqQ

Here are 20 real world examples which prove that Karaffa’s statement is correct:

1) President Obama illegally refused to fire Kathleen Sebelius after she violated campaign finance laws

In February 2012, Kathleen Sebelius, Obama’s Secretary of Health and Human Services, violated campaign finance laws. Although federal law required Obama to fire Sebelius for her illegal activity, he refused to do so.

2) Obama refused to fire federal employee who sent email to 17,000 people praising terrorist who wanted to destroy U.S.

In 2012, an employee of Obama’s administration sent an email to more than 17,000 federal employees which praised Che Guevara, a terrorist who had wanted to destroy the U.S. Obama refused to fire the employee.

3) Obama refused to fire Attorney General Eric Holder for lying under oath

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder lied under oath. He said that he had nothing to do with monitoring the emails of Fox News reporter James Rosen. But it turns out that it was Holder’s own signature on the search warrant.

Even the liberal Huffington Post said that Holder should be fired over this.

Holder could have gotten five years in prison.

So, did President Obama fire Holder?

Of course not!

Instead, Obama asked that Holder be investigated – not by an independent investigating committee – but by Holder himself!

I can see it now…

Obama: “Did you lie?”

Holder: “No.”

Obama: “OK. That’s good enough for me. You’re cleared of any wrongdoing.”

4) Obama refused to fire or prosecute more than 1,000 IRS employees who illegally used their IRS credit cards for their own personal use

During Obama’s first term, more than 1,000 IRS employees illegally used their IRS credit cards for personal purchases, but Obama refused to fire or prosecute them.

5) Obama defended intelligence chief who lied under oath

In March 2013, James Clapper, the director of national intelligence, falsely stated under oath that the NSA was not gathering data on millions of U.S. citizens. In June 2013, after it was reported that Clapper had lied under oath, Obama defended him, instead of firing him.

6) Obama refused to fire or prosecute 15 IRS agents who illegally seized the medical records of 10 million people

In March 2011, 15 IRS agents illegally seized the medical records of 10 million people without a warrant. Obama refused to fire or prosecute them.

7) Obama refused to fire or prosecute Obamacare employee who released private info of 2,400 people

In September 2013, it was reported that an Obamacare employee had released the private information of 2,400 people. Obama refused to fire or prosecute this Obamacare employee.

8) Obama refused to fire IRS employees who “lost” $67 million from Obamacare “slush fund”

In September 2013, it was reported that IRS employees had “lost” $67 million from a “slush fund.” Obama refused to fire those employees. Obama had created the “slush fund” as part of Obamacare.

9) Obama refused to fire ATF employees who “lost” 420 million cigarettes

In September 2013, it was reported that ATF employees had “lost” 420 million cigarettes. Obama refused to fire them.

10) Obama refused to fire Kathleen Sebelius, even after the failure of the $500 million Obamacare website

Even after the $500 million Obamacare website failed, Obama still refused to fire Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius.

11) Obama refused to fire Michelle Snyder, the Obama official who oversaw the building of the defective $500 million Obamacare website

In December 2013, Michelle Snyder, the Obama official who oversaw the building of the defective $500 million Obamacare website, announced her retirement. Obama did not fire her. By retiring, she will be allowed to collect her full pension and benefits.

12) Obama said he was “mad” over the botched $500 million Obamacare website, but refused to fire anyone

Obama said he was “mad” over the botched $500 million Obamacare website, but refused to actually fire anyone over it.

13) Obama refused to fire or prosecute NSA employees who illegally used the NSA’s spying technology to spy on their romantic partners

In December 2014, it was reported that Obama had refused to fire or prosecute NSA employees who illegally used the NSA’s spying technology to spy on their romantic partners.

14) Obama refused to fire or prosecute DEA agents who left a handcuffed prisoner in a cell for five days without any food or water

In 2012, DEA agents in San Diego left a handcuffed prisoner named Daniel Chong in a cell for five days without any food or water. Afterward, Chong spent two days in intensive care in the hospital because he almost died of kidney failure. Despite all of this, Obama refused to fire or prosecute the DEA agents who did this.

15) Obama continued Bush’s policy of illegally giving promotions to IRS agents who cheated on their taxes

Although federal law requires IRS agents who cheat on their taxes to be fired, in May 2015 it was reported that Obama had continued Bush’s illegal policy of giving them promotions instead of firing them.

16) Obama refused to fire or prosecute a TSA agent even though there was video evidence of her sexually assaulting a 10-year-old girl

A video recording showed that in December 2015, a TSA agent sexually assaulted a 10-year-old girl. In the video, the TSA agent repeatedly touched the girl, over and over, again and again, in the same private areas. And the TSA agent used her palms and fingers, instead of the backs of her hands. Despite this video evidence of sexual assault, Obama refused to fire or prosecute the TSA agent. The video was formerly availble at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f91_1451695115

17) Obama refused to fire or prosecute two Veterans Administration officials who stole $400,000 from the Veterans Administration

In December 2015, it was reported that the Obama administration had refused to fire or prosecute two Veterans Administration officials who had stolen $400,000 from the Veterans Administration.

18) Obama continued Bush’s policy of refusing to fire the State Department official who had approved visas for 11 of the September 11, 2001 terrorists

In April 2016, it was reported that the State Department official who had approved visas for 11 of the September 11, 2001 terrorists was still employed by the federal government.

19) Obama refused to fire or prosecute Monica Hanley, one of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s aides, for illegally leaving classified material in a Russian hotel room

In September 2016, it was reported that when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton traveled to Russia, Monica Hanley, one of her aides, had illegally left classified material in a Russian hotel room. Instead of getting fired and/or prosecuted (which is what usually happens to government or military employees who do such a thing) Hanley’s only “punishment” was “verbal security counseling.”

20) Obama refused to fire a Veterans Administration dentist who had failed to follow proper procedure and may have exposed 592 veterans to HIV or hepatitis

In November 2016, it was reported that after a Veterans Administration dentist had failed to follow proper procedure and may have exposed 592 veterans to HIV or hepatitis, instead of being fired, the dentist was transferred to an administrative position.


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To: grundle

You CAN fire a Federal Employee. The problem is, it takes WORK to do so, and their SUPERVISORS are as lazy as their subordinates, or totally corrupt and complicit like Sessions and Rosenswine.


21 posted on 09/18/2018 3:51:58 PM PDT by ZULU (MAGA)
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To: grundle
Don't conflate Obama’s refusal to fire unruly federal employees with the right to fire unruly federal employees.

Reagan fired a boatload of air traffic controllers back in the eighties and he was right to do so.
My father, who was a mail carrier AND a union delegate, said that all federal employees have to abide by “binding arbitration” in their contract negotiations and cannot go on strike like non federal employees. Failure to do so means they can be fired.

So Reagan did.

22 posted on 09/18/2018 3:57:06 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Those who turn their arms in for plowshares will be doing the plowing for those who didn't.")
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To: Nifster
<,i>The guy being interviewed is a low level civil servant.

A post on an earlier thread looked up his salary and he makes $94K a year.

23 posted on 09/18/2018 3:58:59 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Ain't no reaching across the aisle in Hell.)
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To: kabar

Your thoughts?


24 posted on 09/18/2018 3:59:48 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Ain't no reaching across the aisle in Hell.)
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To: grundle

Not firing traitorous federal kakistocrats gives aid and comfort to the enemy.


25 posted on 09/18/2018 4:04:14 PM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: grundle

This proves nothing— a bunch of people Obama “should have fired?” How about a list of federal employees who WERE fired?


26 posted on 09/18/2018 4:23:37 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Enjoy the decline of the American empire.)
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To: Albion Wilde

That’s at best mid


27 posted on 09/18/2018 6:23:11 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: grundle

If they can’t immediately fire this pecksniff, he should be permanently rubber roomed. No phone, no PC, no wifi, no personal electronics allowed. Just give him a box of buttons to sort into colors. Dump them all back into the box at the end of the day and have him do it again tomorrow.


28 posted on 09/18/2018 6:28:08 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: Albion Wilde
It is not impossible, but it is very, very difficult given the employee protections that are in place. Unless there is a serious felony-level crime, I doubt that someone would be fired.

I do know that the only way you can lose a federal pension is to commit treason. Otherwise, you can do anything including murder and not lose your pension.

We need to reform the federal personnel system. The permanent bureaucracy was meant to replace the spoils system and to create a professional cadre of non-partisan bureaucrats to have a smooth functioning government.

Approved on January 16, 1883, the Pendleton Act established a merit-based system of selecting government officials and supervising their work. Following the assassination of President James A. Garfield by a disgruntled job seeker, Congress passed the Pendleton Act in January of 1883.

Since then, the bureaucracy has emerged as the fourth branch of government, powerful and unelected. Federal employees have better benefits and greater job security than the private sector.

29 posted on 09/18/2018 9:29:43 PM PDT by kabar
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To: grundle

Down in the worker-bee world, it’s possible but tough and drawn-out...I managed to get rid of 2 while working as a DOD Civilian....of course, I had 24 years active duty before that so I had the sensibilities and the drive to get rid of scum. One took almost 9 months and the other was out in 6 months.


30 posted on 09/19/2018 3:10:26 AM PDT by trebb (So many "experts" with so little experience in what they preach....even here...)
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To: Nifster
That’s at best mid

Not only is is solidly upper-mid, but you said, and I quote, "The guy being interviewed is a low level civil servant." Hence my post.

The highest-paid members of Trump's inner circle make $169K, like Kellyanne Conway and Steve Miller.

2018 General Schedule (GS) Pay Scale

31 posted on 09/19/2018 1:34:37 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Ain't no reaching across the aisle in Hell.)
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To: kabar
We need to reform the federal personnel system.... the bureaucracy has emerged as the fourth branch of government, powerful and unelected.

An excellent comment, and I totally agree; but I'm stumped as to how it can be reformed now that educaton has been marxisized and deconstructed for the past two or three generations. Many educated people now believe that truth is relative and morality is individual.

Having grown up in the area in the 50s and 60s, I always heard that the Secret Service, as one example. preferred to interview Southerners and Mormons, who could be generally "profiled" to have had a strong moral upbringing. Now, the nuclear famly, the universities and even the churches have been despoiled by leftist activism, many tentacles of which are striving literally to outlaw the commonlaw values that sprang from religious principles. In our only slightly more leftist neighboring nation, Canada, a Christian university has recently had its law school dis-accredited, so that its graduates cannot take the bar exam or practice in Canada. They have also jailed pastors over preaching directly from the scriptures regarding same-sex mating. UK and most of EU have also imposed government over the church.

SCOTUS jurisprudence making a false equivalence between the "Nature's God" of the Declaration and the rights of atheists go back to 1948, and now we are reaping the whirlwind. Without an absolute standard of truth underpinning what we think of as honorable, ethical, or common decency in our actions, we are lost.

32 posted on 09/19/2018 2:03:27 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Ain't no reaching across the aisle in Hell.)
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To: Albion Wilde

He’s a civil servant. Depends on what grade he is assigned there steps in each grade. Nurse practitioners ( not managers) make 120000 plus a year


33 posted on 09/19/2018 3:55:19 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Nifster

My point is that someone above called him “low-level”, as if a job paying that much is of little consequence. Granted, many government employees “lean on their shovels” all day, but one imagines that their job descriptions ostensibly require them to perform above “low level” for that kind of money.


34 posted on 09/19/2018 8:41:55 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Ain't no reaching across the aisle in Hell.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Not really


35 posted on 09/19/2018 11:45:51 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Nifster

Lame.


36 posted on 09/20/2018 3:14:36 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Ain't no reaching across the aisle in Hell.)
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To: Albion Wilde

You apparently haven’t worked for the feds recently


37 posted on 09/20/2018 8:09:45 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Nifster

You’d be wrong.


38 posted on 09/20/2018 7:23:44 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Ain't no reaching across the aisle in Hell.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Well then if you are working for the feds you must be aware of the large number of slackers


39 posted on 09/20/2018 7:41:46 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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