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“It’s impossible to fire federal employees.” Here are 20 real world examples.
wordpress ^ | September 18, 2018 | Dan from Squirrel Hill

Posted on 09/18/2018 2:33:53 PM PDT by grundle

A recent Project Veritas video showed Stuart Karaffa saying, “It’s impossible to fire federal employees.” Here are 20 real world examples which prove that he is correct.

Stuart Karaffa is an employee at the U.S. State Department. This recently released video from Project Veritas shows him saying:

“I have nothing to lose. It’s impossible to fire federal employees.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXLuqQe8DqQ

Here are 20 real world examples which prove that Karaffa’s statement is correct:

1) President Obama illegally refused to fire Kathleen Sebelius after she violated campaign finance laws

In February 2012, Kathleen Sebelius, Obama’s Secretary of Health and Human Services, violated campaign finance laws. Although federal law required Obama to fire Sebelius for her illegal activity, he refused to do so.

2) Obama refused to fire federal employee who sent email to 17,000 people praising terrorist who wanted to destroy U.S.

In 2012, an employee of Obama’s administration sent an email to more than 17,000 federal employees which praised Che Guevara, a terrorist who had wanted to destroy the U.S. Obama refused to fire the employee.

3) Obama refused to fire Attorney General Eric Holder for lying under oath

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder lied under oath. He said that he had nothing to do with monitoring the emails of Fox News reporter James Rosen. But it turns out that it was Holder’s own signature on the search warrant.

Even the liberal Huffington Post said that Holder should be fired over this.

Holder could have gotten five years in prison.

So, did President Obama fire Holder?

Of course not!

Instead, Obama asked that Holder be investigated – not by an independent investigating committee – but by Holder himself!

I can see it now…

Obama: “Did you lie?”

Holder: “No.”

Obama: “OK. That’s good enough for me. You’re cleared of any wrongdoing.”

4) Obama refused to fire or prosecute more than 1,000 IRS employees who illegally used their IRS credit cards for their own personal use

During Obama’s first term, more than 1,000 IRS employees illegally used their IRS credit cards for personal purchases, but Obama refused to fire or prosecute them.

5) Obama defended intelligence chief who lied under oath

In March 2013, James Clapper, the director of national intelligence, falsely stated under oath that the NSA was not gathering data on millions of U.S. citizens. In June 2013, after it was reported that Clapper had lied under oath, Obama defended him, instead of firing him.

6) Obama refused to fire or prosecute 15 IRS agents who illegally seized the medical records of 10 million people

In March 2011, 15 IRS agents illegally seized the medical records of 10 million people without a warrant. Obama refused to fire or prosecute them.

7) Obama refused to fire or prosecute Obamacare employee who released private info of 2,400 people

In September 2013, it was reported that an Obamacare employee had released the private information of 2,400 people. Obama refused to fire or prosecute this Obamacare employee.

8) Obama refused to fire IRS employees who “lost” $67 million from Obamacare “slush fund”

In September 2013, it was reported that IRS employees had “lost” $67 million from a “slush fund.” Obama refused to fire those employees. Obama had created the “slush fund” as part of Obamacare.

9) Obama refused to fire ATF employees who “lost” 420 million cigarettes

In September 2013, it was reported that ATF employees had “lost” 420 million cigarettes. Obama refused to fire them.

10) Obama refused to fire Kathleen Sebelius, even after the failure of the $500 million Obamacare website

Even after the $500 million Obamacare website failed, Obama still refused to fire Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius.

11) Obama refused to fire Michelle Snyder, the Obama official who oversaw the building of the defective $500 million Obamacare website

In December 2013, Michelle Snyder, the Obama official who oversaw the building of the defective $500 million Obamacare website, announced her retirement. Obama did not fire her. By retiring, she will be allowed to collect her full pension and benefits.

12) Obama said he was “mad” over the botched $500 million Obamacare website, but refused to fire anyone

Obama said he was “mad” over the botched $500 million Obamacare website, but refused to actually fire anyone over it.

13) Obama refused to fire or prosecute NSA employees who illegally used the NSA’s spying technology to spy on their romantic partners

In December 2014, it was reported that Obama had refused to fire or prosecute NSA employees who illegally used the NSA’s spying technology to spy on their romantic partners.

14) Obama refused to fire or prosecute DEA agents who left a handcuffed prisoner in a cell for five days without any food or water

In 2012, DEA agents in San Diego left a handcuffed prisoner named Daniel Chong in a cell for five days without any food or water. Afterward, Chong spent two days in intensive care in the hospital because he almost died of kidney failure. Despite all of this, Obama refused to fire or prosecute the DEA agents who did this.

15) Obama continued Bush’s policy of illegally giving promotions to IRS agents who cheated on their taxes

Although federal law requires IRS agents who cheat on their taxes to be fired, in May 2015 it was reported that Obama had continued Bush’s illegal policy of giving them promotions instead of firing them.

16) Obama refused to fire or prosecute a TSA agent even though there was video evidence of her sexually assaulting a 10-year-old girl

A video recording showed that in December 2015, a TSA agent sexually assaulted a 10-year-old girl. In the video, the TSA agent repeatedly touched the girl, over and over, again and again, in the same private areas. And the TSA agent used her palms and fingers, instead of the backs of her hands. Despite this video evidence of sexual assault, Obama refused to fire or prosecute the TSA agent. The video was formerly availble at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f91_1451695115

17) Obama refused to fire or prosecute two Veterans Administration officials who stole $400,000 from the Veterans Administration

In December 2015, it was reported that the Obama administration had refused to fire or prosecute two Veterans Administration officials who had stolen $400,000 from the Veterans Administration.

18) Obama continued Bush’s policy of refusing to fire the State Department official who had approved visas for 11 of the September 11, 2001 terrorists

In April 2016, it was reported that the State Department official who had approved visas for 11 of the September 11, 2001 terrorists was still employed by the federal government.

19) Obama refused to fire or prosecute Monica Hanley, one of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s aides, for illegally leaving classified material in a Russian hotel room

In September 2016, it was reported that when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton traveled to Russia, Monica Hanley, one of her aides, had illegally left classified material in a Russian hotel room. Instead of getting fired and/or prosecuted (which is what usually happens to government or military employees who do such a thing) Hanley’s only “punishment” was “verbal security counseling.”

20) Obama refused to fire a Veterans Administration dentist who had failed to follow proper procedure and may have exposed 592 veterans to HIV or hepatitis

In November 2016, it was reported that after a Veterans Administration dentist had failed to follow proper procedure and may have exposed 592 veterans to HIV or hepatitis, instead of being fired, the dentist was transferred to an administrative position.


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1 posted on 09/18/2018 2:33:53 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

Restore the Spoils System. It may not have been tidy but at least the clog was flushed occasionally.


2 posted on 09/18/2018 2:37:47 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck ( Socialism consumes EVERYTHING!)
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To: grundle

Make them cleaners and short order cooks. Don’t lower their salary but make them scrub toilets and pump out septic tanks. If they perform poorly write them up.


3 posted on 09/18/2018 2:51:27 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: grundle

My Father a manager in the DOD R&D offices. They were assigned a secretary who was a total slacker. It took 18 months to get her transferred to the Labor Department.


4 posted on 09/18/2018 2:53:36 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: grundle

Not true they can be fired!

I personally know of several cases.

The problem is it very hard. A supervisor must be determined to do it, be persistent & must document their ass off! Needless to say it’s very hard, most supervisors don’t want to take the time or trouble. If the problem can be solved by moving the employee elsewhere that’s what is done. Path of least resistance!

The problem with this guy is what are you firing him for? His political beliefs? Just being a commie isn’t a termination offense any more. It hasn’t been since the 1970s. Those people used to be weeded out to some extent by loyalty oaths. You’d have to catch him in the act of sabotaging policy & have documented 9 ways to Sunday! Him just flapping his gums & sounding like a macho revolutionary isn’t enough! In the 1991 Gulf War there was a Treasury employee with a clearance (or so I was told regarding the clearance!) who went Iraq with those other peace-niks to stand with Saddam and be voluntary hostages (Quakers I think!). I Sm pretty sure he got his job back.


5 posted on 09/18/2018 2:54:04 PM PDT by Reily
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To: grundle

All the examples start with “Obama” .... it’s not impossible to fire Federal employees .... Obama didn’t want to fire the employees in the examples given.


6 posted on 09/18/2018 2:55:05 PM PDT by Qiviut (McCain & Obama's Legacy in two words: DONALD TRUMP!)
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To: grundle
obozo refusing to fire is NOT CAN'T fire
7 posted on 09/18/2018 3:08:35 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true, I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: Qiviut

I worked out of an office in which a Black female was fired.

They would have never done it except the other two clerks were also Black females and they resented her not doing any work at all.

This was Civil Service btw.


8 posted on 09/18/2018 3:17:16 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: grundle

The guy being interviewed is a low level civil servant. I’ve worked with all sorts of whack jobs who were civil servant employees. Doesn’t mean they’re deep state. Means they think they’re more important than they are


9 posted on 09/18/2018 3:17:38 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: grundle

That just shows Zero’s malfeasance.

Faked credentials discovered before going to court got one woman I knew of when the defense pointed out that lie.

And this woman was a ball-buster going after the prey.


10 posted on 09/18/2018 3:21:49 PM PDT by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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To: Paine in the Neck
This joke depicts..the Pubbies....

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; BOB & THE BLONDE

Bob walked into a sports bar around 9:58 PM. He sat down next to a blonde at the bar And stared up at the TV.

The 10 PM news was coming on. The news crew was covering the story Of a man on the ledge of a large building Preparing to jump.

The blonde looked at Bob and said, "Do you think he'll jump?"

Bob said, "You know, I bet he'll jump."

The blonde replied, "Well, I bet he won't."

Bob placed a $20 bill on the bar and said, "You're on!"

Just as the blonde placed her money on the bar, The guy on the ledge Did a swan dive off the building, Falling to his death.

The blonde was very upset, But willingly handed her $20 to Bob. "Fair's fair. Here's your money."

Bob replied, "I can't take your money. I saw this earlier on the 5 PM news, So I knew he would jump."

The blonde replied, "I did, too, But I didn't think he'd do it again."

Bob took the money.

11 posted on 09/18/2018 3:24:53 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Whiskey Tango Foxtrot)
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To: grundle; All
Thank you for referencing that article grundle. Please note that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

"“It’s impossible to fire federal employees.” Here are 20 real world examples."

FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument

President Reagan fired striking air-traffic controllers on the spot for example.

Reagan fires 11,359 air-traffic controllers

The problem is that the evil uniparty has tricked the states into ignoring the 12th Amendment (12A) procedure for electing a president. Ignoring 12A makes it easier for enemies of the USA to trick voters into abusing their voting power by electing people like lawless Obama to Oval Office.

The question is, while it was relatively easy for disgruntled patriots to clean up Oval Office, evidenced by Pres. Trump, how many elections will it take for patriots to clean up swamp Congress?

12 posted on 09/18/2018 3:25:21 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Vaquero

If they perform poorly thy can be fired as they are not performing the job properly.


13 posted on 09/18/2018 3:25:27 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Reily

THE POTUS...should BE ABLE TO FIRE ANYONE!!!


14 posted on 09/18/2018 3:26:13 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Whiskey Tango Foxtrot)
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To: fella

Typical “solution” in government is to transfer problem people to another division or agency. All it really does is shift the problem to someone else.


15 posted on 09/18/2018 3:26:49 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: Osage Orange

Guffaw!


16 posted on 09/18/2018 3:28:34 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck ( Socialism consumes EVERYTHING!)
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To: Osage Orange

Yes he should!
If this guy’s position is one of these.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excepted_service

positions he should be gone tomorrow.

I guess Trump will have to decide if that’s a political battle worth having. Because it will get “political”!


17 posted on 09/18/2018 3:32:39 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily
What do you mean "get"?..............

It's been political forever.....

18 posted on 09/18/2018 3:39:04 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Whiskey Tango Foxtrot)
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To: Osage Orange

Yep!


19 posted on 09/18/2018 3:40:21 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily

I know of a state employee that has decades of firing worthy escapades including one that should have had him in jail.

He still has his cushy easy state job.


20 posted on 09/18/2018 3:49:33 PM PDT by wally_bert (Terrific! Terrific? Harve Nyquist never ordered any radials.)
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