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BREAKING NEWS: Russian Aircraft Downed.. Israelis Set Plane Up..Right To "Adequate Response"
Nextrush Free ^ | 9/18/2018 | Nextrush/Self

Posted on 09/18/2018 4:49:56 AM PDT by Nextrush

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu has expressed his outrage to Israel's Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman after 15 Russian servicemen died when their plane was shot down by Syrian air defenses during a sudden Israeli air attack.

Russia's Defense Ministry says 4 Israeli F-16's used the larger Russian IL-20 plane as a decoy for their attack on the northern Syria city of Latakia.

Russia says it reserves the right to an "adequate response"....

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1 posted on 09/18/2018 4:49:56 AM PDT by Nextrush
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To: Nextrush

...so they shot down their own plane and are blaming Israel?

Did I get that right?


2 posted on 09/18/2018 4:51:12 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare itself.)
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To: Mr. K

They are saying the Israelis used the Russian plane to cover their attack on the Syrian target and draw Syrian AA missiles on it instead of their planes.


3 posted on 09/18/2018 4:55:32 AM PDT by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODYS BUSINESS, REMEMBER PASTOR NIEMOLLER)
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To: Mr. K

They’re blaming Israel because they shot down their own plane when they thought they were shooting down an Israeli plane. Hope that clears things up.


4 posted on 09/18/2018 4:56:48 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy (S)
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To: rightwingcrazy

Ruskies could not determine that own asset was in the target path?


5 posted on 09/18/2018 5:00:19 AM PDT by CodeJockey (Trump... The exorcist of Cultural Marxism)
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To: Nextrush

Maybe the Russians should get the hell out of Syria as they should not have been there in the first place. But, what do I know.


6 posted on 09/18/2018 5:01:44 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: Nextrush
They are saying the Israelis used the Russian plane to cover their attack on the Syrian target and draw Syrian AA missiles on it instead of their planes.

Perhaps Israel should stay out of Syria and stop getting the Russians pissed off at them. It is unlikely to end well. The Russians are known for getting revenge.

7 posted on 09/18/2018 5:02:16 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It rubs the rainbow on it's skin or it gets the diversity again!")
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To: hawkaw
Maybe the Russians should get the hell out of Syria as they should not have been there in the first place. But, what do I know.

The Russians are there at the invitation of the official Syrian government, which is more than the Israelis, Turks, and Americans can say.

8 posted on 09/18/2018 5:04:05 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It rubs the rainbow on it's skin or it gets the diversity again!")
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To: Nextrush

So... they shot down their own plane, trying to hit Israeli’s. That’s what I thought.


9 posted on 09/18/2018 5:05:24 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare itself.)
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To: CodeJockey

Presumably their Syrian ally could not properly identify that asset, or at least their weapons couldn’t.


10 posted on 09/18/2018 5:10:31 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy (S)
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To: Nextrush

Maybe Russia should have kept their noses our of the area conflict.


11 posted on 09/18/2018 5:15:00 AM PDT by Retvet (Retvet)
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To: PapaBear3625

Perhaps is the Ruskies and Syrians don’t want Israel messing with them they shouldn’t supply and lob missiles at them.

Bad things can happen.


12 posted on 09/18/2018 5:15:09 AM PDT by VRWCarea51 (The Original 1998 Version)
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To: Mr. K
So... they shot down their own plane, trying to hit Israeli’s. That’s what I thought.

The way I read this was that Syrian antiaircraft missles downed a Russian plane during an Israeli air attack on Syria. Russia is complaining that Israel should have notified them sooner about the attack so that the Russian plane would not have been in the same airspace. Because Israel did not notify them sooner, Russia is concluding that Israel intentionally did not inform them so that the Syrian air defenses would hit the larger Russian plane rather than the Israel fighters.

13 posted on 09/18/2018 5:15:10 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: PapaBear3625

The Russians are always known for getting their asses handed to them by the Israelis every time.


14 posted on 09/18/2018 5:17:25 AM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: Retvet

Why did the French frigate have to deny launching missiles? It sounds like Israel did something to confuse Syria’s Russian air defense system.


15 posted on 09/18/2018 5:18:24 AM PDT by Peeps47 (Democrats are as corrupt as they are incompetent)
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To: VRWCarea51

Now now. You’ll hurt his little jihadi feelings.


16 posted on 09/18/2018 5:18:50 AM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: Nextrush
If the Syrian air defenses could not positively ID a target as hostile they had no business firing on it. That would be a serious failure of Syrian AD.

If they fired on a hostile IDF fighter but then lost control of the missile in flight (improperly set up/commanded) or the system simply has no means of commanding the missile in flight (eg. no "midcourse" guidance from the firing battery) then again, it was a very bad call to make with friendly and/or non-combatant aircraft in range. Again, a failure of Syrian AD and possibly indicative of a shortcoming of the Russian S-200 system.

There is almost no-way Syrian AD comes out of this looking like they did everything right and those mean old Israelis tricked them. Sure, the IDF no-doubt employed technical means and tactics to ensure their safety. It seems to me Syrian AD were (are) poorly trained and/or poorly executed their TTP, probably fired when they should not have, and/or fired in a mode they should not have with an emitting friendly AWACS/ELINT in the area.

17 posted on 09/18/2018 5:20:11 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps ( Be ready!)
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It appears the Russian aircraft was struck 22 miles off the Syrian coast.

Perhaps a missile fired at an Israeli aircraft went astray and locked onto the distant Russian aircraft, without the Israelis actively seeking cover nearby. I don’t think the Israelis were attacking from 22 miles away.

The problem with smart weapons is that they really aren’t that smart.

If the Russians are whining that the Israelis did not give them advance notice, the question is, if the Israelis had given them advance notice, would they have shared that information with the Syrians?

If the Russians are in the habit of sharing that sort of information with their Syrian allies, which seems probable, then giving them advance notice is the last thing you would do.


18 posted on 09/18/2018 5:21:18 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: MrEdd

All I’m saying is that it’s a dangerous game. Especially if it results in Putin personally looking bad. He doesn’t seem to be the kind of guy who will take that and not strike back.


19 posted on 09/18/2018 5:21:27 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It rubs the rainbow on it's skin or it gets the diversity again!")
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To: Nextrush

Wondering if the Russians wanted that particular plane downed for some reason...


20 posted on 09/18/2018 5:22:50 AM PDT by mewzilla (Has the FBI been spying on members of Congress?)
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