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1 posted on 05/21/2014 5:12:03 PM PDT by IsraelBeach
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“You see, we don’t have anti-semitism in Israel.”

False. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/sep/10/israel.internationalcrime


2 posted on 05/21/2014 5:15:18 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: IsraelBeach

“If Pope Francis can openly declare to all publishers and teachers of the bible to delete those sentences which condemn the Jewish nation, then we will see a more peaceful world.”

The author of this article is a moron.


3 posted on 05/21/2014 5:18:39 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: IsraelBeach

Romans 11

1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father’s sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?

36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.


5 posted on 05/21/2014 5:25:31 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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If the Pope can openly denounce this blood libel, and state that these gospels are not accurate, it would bring much more harmony between Jews and Christians and could eliminate much of the source of anti-semetism. To have Pope Francis denounce Jews killed Christ would follow and reinforce a precedent. Several Christian denominations have denounced the claim that the Jews killed Christ. In 1965, the Second Vatican Council issued the Nostra Autate statement, which declare that "what happened in His [Jesus'] passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today." If Pope Francis can openly declare to all publishers and teachers of the bible to delete those sentences which condemn the Jewish nation, then we will see a more peaceful world. Less hate, more understanding and support for the democratic State of Israel.

So this fool wants us to declare the Gospels "inaccurate"? And didn't the Gentiles have a pretty strong part in the crucifixion too?

6 posted on 05/21/2014 5:26:23 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: IsraelBeach

I have always supported Israel, but this is just silly.

Of course the Jews participated in killing Jesus.

On the other hand, of course Jesus was also a Jew.

The basic disagreement was whether or not Jesus was the promised Messiah of the Jews, or whether his claims were blasphemous.

Obviously, Pontius Pilate and the Romans played a part. But Pilate wanted to let Jesus off. The Jews insisted that He should be killed for blasphemy. That is NOT, however, an excuse for anti-Semitism. All sinners—before and since— have some responsibility in causing the death of Jesus.

Sorry, just a brief summary. But it’s silly to say that the Bible misspoke.


8 posted on 05/21/2014 5:27:53 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Actually it was the ROMANS that did the deed!
10 posted on 05/21/2014 5:29:53 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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Well, Jesus was a Jew. John the Evengelist was a Jew as were the Apostles and disciples. Any study Bible will note in the footnotes that when John referred to the Jews, he was referring to the Jewish leaders who felt threatened by the presence of Jesus and wanted him executed. They feared Jesus because they believed that if his popularity among the people continued to advance that the power and livelihood of the Pharisees, Saducees and Sanhedrin would be threatened. Maybe the author should take a New Testament Bible course to learn the true meaning of the written words.

As to there being no antisemitism in Israel, I sure noticed evidence of it when I visited Israel.


12 posted on 05/21/2014 5:36:56 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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It wasn’t the Jews who killed Jesus but the “perfidious” Jews. The unfaithful, deceitful bad Jews. Not the good faithful Jews. It was those like Judas whose religion had become politics.

In addition to Jesus most of His followers were Jews, they didn’t kill Jesus.

There are perfidious Jews, Christians, Muslims, Agnostics, Dimocrats, Hindus....walking the earth at any given time. They would kill Jesus again if they could.


15 posted on 05/21/2014 5:51:56 PM PDT by tiki
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Christianity came out of Israel. To say Jews killed Christ is stupid. Yashua was prophesied to be killed. Technically it was Rome who killed Him. From Pontius Pilate who condemned Him to the Roman soldiers who nailed Him to the cross.


17 posted on 05/21/2014 5:54:50 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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“If the Pope can openly denounce this blood libel, and state that these gospels are not accurate, it would bring much more harmony between Jews and Christians and could eliminate much of the source of anti-[sic]semetism.”


18 posted on 05/21/2014 5:56:52 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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Could it simply be translation error ?
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

21 posted on 05/21/2014 6:01:19 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: IsraelBeach

Why do you call Jesus “Christ”?


22 posted on 05/21/2014 6:19:04 PM PDT by Romulus
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As I was waiting for my change, the clerk said to me: "don't worry, I won't Jew you down." I have heard of this expression being used but never had my own ears receive it. This combat solder from the IDF does not tolerate attacks on Jews. I had to ask her again what she said. "Don't worry, I won't Jew you down." With that I responded: "If you made that comment to a Jew, I think they would find it very offensive."

This man is an over-sensitive idiot.

My father used this expression occasionally, not because of any intent to be offensive, or for that matter because of any anti-semitic animus, but because it was a common expression when he was growing up. He told me he was actually an adult before he realized that there was a connection between the verb "to jew" and the Jewish people.

Turning my dad into some kind of anti-semite because of a simple turn of phrase that is used with no ill intent at all is ludicrous.

I also doubt the author's story. I haven't heard this expression used, at least in public and unironically, for at least a decade.

The notion that something that is just a saying, and one that is archaic, somehow tells us something significant about America is truly idiotic.

26 posted on 05/21/2014 6:34:22 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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The author is an idiot. He is attempting to foment anti-Semitism, not combat it.


28 posted on 05/21/2014 6:46:55 PM PDT by wideawake
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If the Pope can openly denounce this blood libel, and state that these gospels are not accurate, it would bring much more harmony between Jews and Christians and could eliminate much of the source of anti-semetism.

It isn't libel, if it's true. Not ALL of the Jews were complicit in Jesus's death, but some of the most important Jewish leaders of the day certainly were, and conspired with Rome to crucify Him. Just because some Jewish leaders were threatened by Jesus, and conspired to have him killed to make sure He didn't threaten them anymore, doesn't make me hate Jews of today. I frankly don't know any Christians who DO hate Jewish people, so it seems there hasn't been some sort of attempt by the Church to make me hate them.

29 posted on 05/21/2014 6:50:01 PM PDT by SuziQ
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The only people responsible for the substitutionary
death of the Lamb of G-d are those who have accepted
Yah'shua as their savior.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

31 posted on 05/21/2014 7:21:48 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: IsraelBeach

Antisemitic incidents have been a problem in Israel and have come from Russian, German and other cultures at various times. Promoting idolatry in any way is wrong.


32 posted on 05/21/2014 7:33:56 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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By the way, sentiments against the people of Israel will be stopped in time. Hopefully, that time will come soon. For those who are comfortable and afraid of toughening change, the coming of that time cannot be slowed. It can only be hastened by those who erroneously wish to put it off.


33 posted on 05/21/2014 7:48:59 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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well, firstly Jesus was Jewish, as were the Apostles and nearly all the first Christians. Christianity arises from Judaism

Secondly, blaming only Jews for the death of Jesus is a nice way to whitewash the blame -- truly speaking ALL of us: Jews, Christians, non-Christians etc. are the ones who killed Him with our sin

Looking at the purely temporal, then a Jewish crowd led by the Priestly council wanted this trouble-maker, possible heretic dead. They petitioned the Roman authority who actually carried out the Crucification.

Netanyahu should reguest that the Pope denounce any belief that the Jews killed Christ. -- earlier Popes have denounced the idea of blaming only Jews as "Christ killers" -- and that is correct.

38 posted on 05/22/2014 12:01:13 AM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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The only problem with that is that the Pope would have to admit that the "divinely inspired 'new testament'" is wrong. Despite the Catholic Church's gutting of Genesis, I don't see this happening.

It is most unbecoming for one religion to ask another to alter its internal teachings . . . outside of an attempt at conversion. But for some crazy reason, proselytization is considered A Bad Thing while dictating internal changes in other people's religions is "social justice."

Instead of asking non-Jews to make a few changes to their religions, Jews should be teaching them the Noachide Laws--period.

PS--Classifying the statement "Jew you down" with mass murder seems a bit of a stretch.

44 posted on 05/22/2014 7:38:04 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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