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To: IsraelBeach

I have always supported Israel, but this is just silly.

Of course the Jews participated in killing Jesus.

On the other hand, of course Jesus was also a Jew.

The basic disagreement was whether or not Jesus was the promised Messiah of the Jews, or whether his claims were blasphemous.

Obviously, Pontius Pilate and the Romans played a part. But Pilate wanted to let Jesus off. The Jews insisted that He should be killed for blasphemy. That is NOT, however, an excuse for anti-Semitism. All sinners—before and since— have some responsibility in causing the death of Jesus.

Sorry, just a brief summary. But it’s silly to say that the Bible misspoke.


8 posted on 05/21/2014 5:27:53 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero; IsraelBeach

Articles like this are intended to stir things up.

They are written as a rejection of Christ.

I posted Romans 11 above, which explains the Christian doctrine on Jews who do not believe on Jesus Christ.

The reference “the Jews” in the context of Christ’s crucifixion means much of the Jewish leadership at that time, not “the Jews” in general, as in all Jews. It refers to the set of leaders at the time, those individuals who made the decision, as well as others who did not believe at that time.

Of course, Jesus’ early followers were mostly all Jews.

Romans 11 clearly states that it was and is all part of God’s plan, a wonderful gift of grace that:

Rom 11:11 “I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.”

Then, speaking to gentiles:

“30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.”

That about says it all; it will glorify God as Jews come to hear the gospel and believe in Christ Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Gentiles only obtained mercy through the Christ’s perfect atoning sacrifice, without which we would be damned. Christians then ought to remember and be merciful in preaching the gospel and thereby Jews can also obtain mercy. The gospel is to be preached to all the nations, as it is written:

Psalm 22

“1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

2 O my God, I cry in the day time, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.

3 But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.

4 Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.

5 They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.

6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.

7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,

8 He trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.

9 But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother’s breasts.

10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother’s belly.

11 Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.

12 Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.

13 They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.

14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.

15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.

16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.

18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

19 But be not thou far from me, O Lord: O my strength, haste thee to help me.

20 Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.

21 Save me from the lion’s mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.

22 I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.

23 Ye that fear the Lord, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.

24 For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard.

25 My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear him.

26 The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the Lord that seek him: your heart shall live for ever.

27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the Lord: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.

28 For the kingdom is the Lord’s: and he is the governor among the nations.

29 All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.

30 A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.

31 They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.”

Of course, our Lord called our attention to this Psalm on the cross when he cried out:

Matthew 27:46 “And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me ?”


19 posted on 05/21/2014 6:00:33 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Cicero

Very well said!


27 posted on 05/21/2014 6:35:10 PM PDT by Mrs. Frogjerk
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To: Cicero

Cicero is correct.


41 posted on 05/22/2014 6:36:38 AM PDT by BonRad (The world is full of educated derelicts-Calvin Coolidge)
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