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POLICE ENTERING HOMES TO MAKE SURE GUNS ARE STORED SAFELY? IF THIS POLITICIAN HAS HIS WAY
.theblaze.com ^ | Nov. 11, 2013 | Fred Lucas

Posted on 11/12/2013 9:36:39 AM PST by moonshinner_09

A Massachusetts politician has put forth a proposal to allow local police to enter homes without a warrant in order to inspect whether gun owners are properly storing their firearms.The idea was floated by Swampsott Selectman Barry Greenfield, who expressed frustration about the Newtown school massacre in the neighboring state of Connecticut and in other cases where people have obtained their parents’ guns to carry out shootings.

“We need the ability to enforce the state law,” Greenfield said, according to the Swampscott Patch.

The town of Swampscott reportedly has about 600 gun owners. Under Massachusetts law, it is “unlawful to store or keep any firearm … in any place unless such weapon is secured in a locked container or equipped with a tamper-resistant mechanical lock or other safety device, properly engaged so as to render such weapon inoperable by any person other than the owner or other lawfully authorized user.”

Greenfield said he spoke with Swampscott Police Chief Ron Madigan about inspecting homes for proper gun storage.

But Selectman Glenn Kessler said there are questions about the constitutionality of the proposal and wants input from law enforcement, legal counsel and town residents. There will likely be a meeting to solicit town input, the Patch reported.

Washington state considered a similar law earlier this year, according to Boston Herald columnist Michael Graham.

“Then some lawyer heard a rumor about some ‘Second Amendment thingy’ and it went away,” Graham wrote.

“This isn’t a Second Amendment issue. It’s a Fourth Amendment one — unreasonable search and seizure,” Graham continued. “If Swampscott residents who don’t own guns sit back and allow this to happen, they’ll be playing their role in the famous parable of Martin Niemoller: “First they came for the gun owners, but I didn’t own a gun …”


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This truly sounds like a headline from some newpaper located some where in some 3rd world country. Good gosh they are trying their upmost best to strip away our rights .One issue at a time.
1 posted on 11/12/2013 9:36:39 AM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

What a good little Nazi.

His name is Barry, too, just like Dear Leader.


2 posted on 11/12/2013 9:38:06 AM PST by Westbrook ()Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Pipsqueaks like him pull this crap because they think no one will walk up to them one day and send their walnuts shooting up into their sinus cavity.


3 posted on 11/12/2013 9:38:55 AM PST by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Don’t think of them as “inspectors”, think of them as “reactive targets”.

The Nazi pushing this stuff needs to assume room temp.


4 posted on 11/12/2013 9:40:17 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: moonshinner_09
Politician: "enter homes without a warrant"

Fourth Amendment: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

It seems to me that an unconstitutional warrantless entry could be met with a hail of lead. Too bad, so sad.

5 posted on 11/12/2013 9:40:50 AM PST by Uncle Miltie ( "I was all for Obamacare, until I found out I was paying for it." - California Girl)
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To: moonshinner_09

Been there, done that.

Pay heed, America. These are people that WORSHIP Obama.

http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/02/10/of-family-jewhaters-and-madmen/


6 posted on 11/12/2013 9:41:05 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: Windcatcher
The Mass. shooting was the work of a mental defective.
Selectman Greenfield should know that...
7 posted on 11/12/2013 9:41:16 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: moonshinner_09

If they approve this, I would expect someone to get shot as an unintended consequence of unscheduled home inspections/invasions. Once again, go after the honest citizens with a “feel good” bill title.


8 posted on 11/12/2013 9:41:42 AM PST by Boomer One
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To: moonshinner_09

There was an article posted yesterday about provisions in Obamacare allowing for mandatory home visits/searches which was scarier than this article. I’m convinced that if a health care provider asks about guns in the home - just say NO. Any other answer, including “what business is that of yours”, will go down on your records as a “yes”. I also think that seeking any tpe of mental health treatment or even advice in the age of Obamacare is just asking for gun confiscation. Beware.


9 posted on 11/12/2013 9:42:36 AM PST by circlecity
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To: All

One has to ccome to the conclusion about liberals, like this. They honestly think this would be a “good” policy; meaning it would actually help people. In which case they are completely disconnected from reality, and should be ignored. Or, that they want people to get killed, because that is the logical outcome of something like this going into practice. In which case, they are psychotic and should be treated as such.


10 posted on 11/12/2013 9:44:05 AM PST by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: moonshinner_09

Will they start with Section 8 and low income housing first?


11 posted on 11/12/2013 9:44:12 AM PST by ▀udda▀udd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: moonshinner_09

FYI, I aim for the nuts!


12 posted on 11/12/2013 9:46:24 AM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: moonshinner_09

How do they know who the gun owners are ?


13 posted on 11/12/2013 9:46:53 AM PST by onona (The Earth is the insane asylum for the universe (yup, I belong))
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To: moonshinner_09

They gonna make sure I wipe with the government approved number of TP squares too....

I need to stop giving them ideas.....


14 posted on 11/12/2013 9:48:16 AM PST by GraceG
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To: moonshinner_09
As preevious mentioned:

The popos should start regular visitation to this b0z0s hacienda and do a safety check of his condoms.

15 posted on 11/12/2013 9:48:25 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: moonshinner_09

It is not stored, it is ‘ready for use’.


16 posted on 11/12/2013 9:48:30 AM PST by donmeaker
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To: moonshinner_09
As previously mentioned:

The popos should start regular visitation to this b0z0s hacienda and do a safety check of his condoms.

17 posted on 11/12/2013 9:48:40 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Uncle Miltie

“Too bad, so sad.”

I’m not. Happy hunting.


18 posted on 11/12/2013 9:49:14 AM PST by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

The Connecticut shooting was also done by a mental defective. His mother had her guns locked up. He was able to access them anyways. He was crazy, not stupid.


19 posted on 11/12/2013 9:50:13 AM PST by donmeaker
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To: moonshinner_09

Well Barry, can we start with your house? You know, to be safe.

Friggin MARXIST. Hang em all I say and let the buzzards have the carcass.


20 posted on 11/12/2013 9:52:08 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: moonshinner_09

For the safety of the children! Let’s Move! Hope! Change! Forward!


21 posted on 11/12/2013 9:53:04 AM PST by albie
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To: moonshinner_09
"“We need the ability to enforce the state law,” Greenfield said, according to the Swampscott Patch.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-- William Pitt the Younger (November 18,1873)

22 posted on 11/12/2013 9:53:44 AM PST by GregoTX (Keep Calm and Cruz On)
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To: moonshinner_09

Speaking as a former Prosecutor, you’d be amazed (well maybe not) the laws that are passed JUST to give Police probable cause. Seatbelts, etc.


23 posted on 11/12/2013 9:55:09 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: Hardraade

> Pay heed, America. These are people that WORSHIP Obama.

Pay heed, America. These are people that WORSHIP Satan.

There. Fixed it for you.


24 posted on 11/12/2013 9:55:39 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: ├čudda├čudd

I didn’t think this would be a funny thread but you changed that.


25 posted on 11/12/2013 9:56:44 AM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: moonshinner_09
Under Massachusetts law, it is “unlawful to store or keep any firearm … in any place unless such weapon is secured in a locked container or equipped with a tamper-resistant mechanical lock or other safety device, properly engaged so as to render such weapon inoperable by any person other than the owner or other lawfully authorized user.”

Violating my 4th Amendment rights begets the use of my 2nd Amendment rights with weapons loaded and stored ready for use by all members of my household. Massachusetts and much of this nation has lost all sense of freedom and liberty.

26 posted on 11/12/2013 9:56:46 AM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - shall not be questioned)
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To: Uncle Miltie

While it is unlikely that this will move forward, they should consider the reality of enforcement.

In order to enforce this, they would first have to suspect a gun owner of “improperly” securing their firearms. That means that those weapons are easily and readily obtainable.

What law enforcement is going to attempt to enter this particular home ? And under what conditions ?

I promise you that it can only be a SWAT Team.

Breaking down doors, without a warrant to see if someone has a firearm that is “unsecured”.


27 posted on 11/12/2013 9:56:48 AM PST by Zeneta
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To: onona

In the Peoples republic of Massachussetts all firearms must be registered. Antone legally in possession of a firearm is known. An interesting question here would be if the legislature amended the law to require anyone seeking to possess a firearm to allow police inspection of their homes to see if the law is being complied with. That way, registering your firearm grants explicit consent for police inspections. No 4th Amendment issue.


28 posted on 11/12/2013 9:57:01 AM PST by xkaydet65 (.You have never tasted freedom, else you would know it is purchased not with gold but with steel)
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To: moonshinner_09

“stored safely” in my hands pointed at these idiots with my finger on the trigger.


29 posted on 11/12/2013 9:59:17 AM PST by mom.mom
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To: moonshinner_09

Here’s the little butt wipe trying to backpedal, crying about his family getting threatened and other such garbage.

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/opinion/op_ed/2013/11/pol_i_want_to_protect_kids_not_trample_rights


30 posted on 11/12/2013 9:59:22 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: Uncle Miltie

It helps to understand that people like this pol think their plans are good ideas, and that good ideas trump the Constitution any day.

Proof that it’s a good idea? Just ask him.

But consider: If the government can make us buy health insurance, it can make us buy mandatory gun storage devices. And just imagine the congressional insider trading on the companies that make them.


31 posted on 11/12/2013 10:06:15 AM PST by DPMD
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To: moonshinner_09

Ross Perot went farther than this, he wanted door to door confiscation.


32 posted on 11/12/2013 10:08:13 AM PST by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: donmeaker

The Connecticut shooting was also done by a mental defective. His mother had her guns locked up. He was able to access them anyways. He was crazy, not stupid.

A lot of libs incorrectly think Crazy = Retarded

A lot of Conservatives know that Crazy can equal wicked intelligent.

Dumb criminals tend to be violently brutal like animals, Smart criminals are downright devastating because they plan out their crimes...


33 posted on 11/12/2013 10:08:41 AM PST by GraceG
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To: moonshinner_09

MA doesn’t belong in America. They must have no appreciation for the Bill of Rights. As Benjamin Franklin put it, “He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.”


34 posted on 11/12/2013 10:08:55 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: moonshinner_09

If it isn’t satire, it should be. Never happen. Zero risk.

Maybe they could check to see if we’re taking the tags off our pillows too. ;-)


35 posted on 11/12/2013 10:09:01 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: Westbrook
What a good little Nazi. His name is Barry, too, just like Dear Leader.


36 posted on 11/12/2013 10:09:07 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Boomer One

It wasn’t good enough to just attack the 2nd amendment. This way they get to attack the 2nd and 4th at the same time. Question: what happens if they are not prescribed in the appropriate manner (a gun safe that costs hundreds or thousands that’s manufactured by a large onor to the Obama campaign). What will der Fuehrer do then? Consfiscate your guns or write you a citation. I would guess consfiscate your guns because they just can’t leave those dangerous unloaded guns on the top shelf of your closet laying around. They will take your guns, fine you an exorbitant amount that if you don’t pay in a certain time period will become state property to be destroyed, melted down an recycled, or resold .

You have to always question the true intentions, motives, and actions of anyone connected to this administration because they are truly evil. They want us disarmed by any means necessary and will keep strategizing and devising methods of deception until they can find a way to convince the naieve segment of the population that big gov daddy knows best . Be ever watchful. This is just another test of the system to check for weaknesses to exploit.


37 posted on 11/12/2013 10:09:12 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: moonshinner_09

These politicians probably just think they’re scoring points with metrosexuals and leftcoast women. I don’t think he realizes that for many of us, this is a game changer. If he gets his way, people who have never committed a crime, walk their dog, play with their grandkids, and go to church will become “domestic terrorists”.


38 posted on 11/12/2013 10:09:16 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Uncle Miltie
It seems to me that an unconstitutional warrantless entry could be met with a hail of lead. Too bad, so sad.

I can guarantee you it will in this part of Arizona.

39 posted on 11/12/2013 10:14:11 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: moonshinner_09

Just shoot them!


40 posted on 11/12/2013 10:15:35 AM PST by Renegade
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To: moonshinner_09

Lord help the nice policemen who try to invade private residences on this new gun control duty!

(when will these damned politicians stop trying to destroy this country!?)


41 posted on 11/12/2013 10:15:51 AM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: TheRhinelander

> Here’s the little butt wipe trying to backpedal, crying about his family getting threatened and other such garbage.

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/opinion/op_ed/2013/11/pol_i_want_to_protect_kids_not_trample_rights

Surely he is doing NOTHING...nothing at all to his people to make him come under attack. We all know how the liberals like to create fiction on the fly for the MSM to push agendas. I doubt even one word of it is true.


42 posted on 11/12/2013 10:16:10 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: moonshinner_09

silly nonsense. Clearly would not meet Constitutional scrutiny. Just another dumb ass politician shooting his mouth off..


43 posted on 11/12/2013 10:17:27 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign is for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: ConservativeInPA

The birth of our revolution, Lexington and Concord, “Let it begin here!” I wonder what happened. Government started getting too big, socialist immigrants became an influential voting bloc, cities got too crowded, and all who could (producers) moved west?


44 posted on 11/12/2013 10:19:11 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: moonshinner_09

This bafoon is scary! How could anyone propose that the police enter homes without a warrant for any reason? This tootsi-roll is completely out of it!


45 posted on 11/12/2013 10:20:34 AM PST by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Uncle Miltie

The pistol is stored right by the bed, in easy reach, loaded and with the safety off.

Shoot for the kneecaps, then the next one is a head shot.

The only reason for a pistol is so one could fight the way to the semi-automatic rifle with a 20-round magazine.


46 posted on 11/12/2013 10:20:45 AM PST by alloysteel (Men may not always be capable of evil, but they are always capable of incompetence.)
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To: donmeaker
Typical libtard reaction is to target the tools and not the perps. Much of the homeless problem which we have today [not to mention the crazis] can be traced directly to the libtard push for deinstitutionalization which was largely completed by the early 1970s. Crazy people which no longer had a place to go were now out on the streets. But the libtards felt so good about themselves.
47 posted on 11/12/2013 10:22:11 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: moonshinner_09

2nd and 4th Amendment violations!

Stay away from my house!

What makes you think I have anything that needs inspecting?

You have no right to any such records!


48 posted on 11/12/2013 10:24:09 AM PST by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: onona
How do they know who the gun owners are ?

Form 4473. And I may be wrong but I believe that a copy of the registration form that is filled out at sale is forwarded to the MA Dept. of Public Safety. It's been a long time since I've purchased.

49 posted on 11/12/2013 10:25:05 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Destroy patriotism & government will fall. Tamper with love of country & you'll have revolution)
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To: moonshinner_09
“This isn’t a Second Amendment issue. It’s a Fourth Amendment one — unreasonable search and seizure,” Graham continued.

It's also a 3rd amendment issue regarding agents of the state.

-PJ

50 posted on 11/12/2013 10:25:47 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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