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If You Could Make More Money By Going On Welfare Instead Of Working, Would You Do It?
TEC ^ | 08/24/2013 | Michael Snyder

Posted on 08/25/2013 7:49:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Watching TelevisionIf you could stay home and relax all day and actually make more money than you do at your current job, would you do it? That sounds crazy, but this is actually a very real dilemma for millions upon millions of Americans. According to a shocking new study that was just released by the Cato Institute, people on welfare are actually better off than minimum wage workers in 35 U.S. states. And in 13 states, those on welfare actually do better than those making $15 an hour. So why bother? It is very difficult to find a job in this economy, especially a good one. As I mentioned yesterday, seven out of every eight jobs that have been "created" since Barack Obama has been president have been part-time jobs. Why slave away flipping burgers, stocking shelves for some retail giant or working for some temp agency when you could just sit home and make more money collecting government checks? Yes, there is definitely a minority of Americans that hate the idea of becoming dependent on the government and would never want to take advantage of the system like that, but that minority seems to be shrinking. At this point, about half the country gets money from the government each month anyway, so why not collect "your share"? If someone is offering to give you something for free, it is only human nature to be at least a little bit tempted. And right now the federal government is making it extremely tempting to give up on work entirely and become a permanent welfare check collector.

Before people start getting really upset, let me once again reiterate that most of the people that are receiving financial assistance from the government actually need it. Not everyone is abusing the system, and not everyone is using their food stamps to buy lobster.

Poverty in the United States has absolutely exploded in recent years, and our economy simply does not produce enough jobs for everyone anymore. We certainly do not want those without jobs to go hungry or to be sleeping in the streets.

But what we have today is a situation where there is a huge incentive in many states to actually give up on work entirely and become a dependent of the state instead.

According to the Cato Institute, someone in the state of New York that goes on welfare can bring home more in money and benefits than an entry-level school teacher makes in an entire year...

The federal government funds 126 separate programs targeted towards low-income people, 72 of which provide either cash or in-kind benefits to individuals. (The rest fund community-wide programs for low-income neighborhoods, with no direct benefits to individuals.) State and local governments operate more welfare programs. Of course, no individual or family gets benefits from all 72 programs, but many do get aid from a number of them at any point in time.

Today, the Cato institute is releasing a new study looking at the state-by-state value of welfare for a mother with two children. In the Empire State, a family receiving Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, Medicaid, food stamps, WIC, public housing, utility assistance and free commodities (like milk and cheese) would have a package of benefits worth $38,004, the seventh-highest in the nation.

While that might not sound overly generous, remember that welfare benefits aren’t taxed, while wages are. So someone in New York would have to earn more than $21 per hour to be better off than they would be on welfare. That’s more than the average statewide entry-level salary for a teacher.

If you are going to live off of welfare, the key is to pick the right state. Not all states offer the same level of benefits.

In some states, you have to make far more than the minimum wage before it pays not to be on welfare. In fact, there are 12 different states where you actually have to make more than $15 an hour before you start doing better than welfare recipients...

Nationwide, our study found that the wage-equivalent value of benefits for a mother and two children ranged from a high of $60,590 in Hawaii to a low of $11,150 in Idaho. In 33 states and the District of Columbia, welfare pays more than an $8-an-hour job. In 12 states and DC, the welfare package is more generous than a $15-an-hour job.

Of course not all welfare recipients take advantage of all of the programs that they are eligible for. But if you do know how to work the system, you can live very comfortably at the expense of the government in many states.

So what is the solution?

Well, it would be great if we had enough jobs for everyone, but that is definitely not the case. In fact, the U.S. economy is probably going to continue to lose good jobs in the years ahead if current trends continue.

Unfortunately, that also means that poverty and dependence on the government are likely going to continue to grow, especially when the next major wave of the economic collapse strikes.

If you want to get an idea of where we are headed, just look at Detroit. Once upon a time, Detroit actually had the highest per capita income in the entire country. But now it is a rotting, festering, bankrupt hellhole where tens of thousands of stray dogs freely roam the streets...

As many as 50,000 stray dogs roam the streets and vacant homes of bankrupt Detroit, replacing residents, menacing humans who remain and overwhelming the city’s ability to find them homes or peaceful deaths.

One Humane Society official that recently visited the city to help deal with the dog crisis described what she witnessed as "almost post-apocalyptic"...

The number of strays signals a humanitarian crisis, said Amanda Arrington of the Humane Society of the United States, based in Washington. She heads a program that donated $50,000 each to organizations in Detroit and nine other U.S cities to get pets vaccinated, fed, spayed and neutered.

Arrington said when she visited Detroit in October, “It was almost post-apocalyptic, where there are no businesses, nothing except people in houses and dogs running around.”

“The suffering of animals goes hand in hand with the suffering of people.”

But don't laugh at Detroit.

The rest of the country is going down the exact same path.

Just recently, Charles Nenner told Newsmax TV that another recession is rapidly approaching that that it is "going to be bad"...

Technical analyst Charles Nenner didn’t mince words when asked about the United States facing another recession.

"It's going to be bad," Nenner told Newsmax TV in an exclusive interview.

And it looks like the folks in Washington are getting very concerned about all of the economic warnings signs that we have been seeing as well.

Just this week, Barack Obama "held a special, closed door meeting with the heads of the U.S. government’s financial, monetary and oversight agencies. It included members of the Federal Reserve, the FDIC, the CFTC, the SEC, and the Federal Housing Finance Agency."

So why did Obama gather all of the top financial officials for a secret closed door meeting?

John Embry told King World News that he thinks it is because the administration is deeply alarmed about what is happening in the financial markets...

I firmly believe the reason the President has called this meeting today is because if interest rates in the U.S. continue to rise, it could really unleash something disastrous. We are talking here about the possibility of a meltdown. It’s interesting that the President would call in that many big hitters, the head of every significant financial agency in the United States, as well as the Fed and the Comptroller of the Currency, etc -- this is a very large meeting today.

I’ve always believed that the global financial crisis of 2008 was just the opener. We have now bought the better part of 5 years now through unlimited money creation. But as we head into this next massive, and what I believe will be a larger round of destabilization, I want KWN readers around the world to understand that the central planners don’t have the same weapons to fight this global financial crisis. This is why I believe they are desperately attempting right now, today in this meeting, to stave off this crisis.

And the truth is that our "leaders" in Washington have good reason to be concerned. If interest rates keep going up rapidly we are going to be in for a world of hurt.

Sadly, most Americans seem to have already forgotten how painful 2008 was, and that was only a preview of coming attractions.

The worst economic crisis in the history of the United States is on the horizon, and most people are going to be absolutely blindsided by it.

I hope that you are getting prepared while you still can.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Society
KEYWORDS: unemployment; welfare; work

1 posted on 08/25/2013 7:49:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Perhaps going to war against Russia over Syria would help distract the people.


2 posted on 08/25/2013 7:52:01 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Been thinkin’ about it lately. But just to supplement my retirement income of course. LOL! Nope. Can’t bring myself down to that level. Apparently my self respect level indicator doesn’t go there. I do understand there are those that really do need help but they are probably not getting what the “need” compared to those that have figured out how easy it is to scam the system.


3 posted on 08/25/2013 7:53:25 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t sell the welfare recipients short. I bet more than a few of them work under the table.


4 posted on 08/25/2013 8:00:15 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: SeekAndFind

I would not.


5 posted on 08/25/2013 8:04:10 AM PDT by Sam Clements
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To: SeekAndFind

If I were able to work, and work was available, taking welfare would be like stealing. I am not a thief.


6 posted on 08/25/2013 8:04:16 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Kid Shelleen

One of the biggest attributer to the explosion in food stamp usage is most americans were living pay check to pay check before the recession. In a lot of these cases it was a case of not saving rather buying whatever, houses they could not afford, new cars, borrowing for education or just to support an expanded life style. When the downturn came i.e. medium household income has fallen 6% since 2007 in the face of inflation on necessities, specifically gasoline and food, there was no way to make up the difference. Bozo has not been able to turn it around and worse his policies are promoting a further decrease in income along with higher costs for medical and taxes for instance.

His way out, start a war with Syria and try to get one going across the entire world to take the eye away from his failures domestically. With is track record of failure, don’t look for us to be successful on the battle front either.


7 posted on 08/25/2013 8:07:26 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: SeekAndFind

My “want” list from the government:
1) leave me be
2) get out of my way


8 posted on 08/25/2013 8:07:49 AM PDT by diverteach (If I find liberals in heaven after my death.....I WILL BE PISSED!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hell no.

My self respect is worth a lot more to me.


9 posted on 08/25/2013 8:09:27 AM PDT by Tigerized
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To: Kid Shelleen

Don’t sell the welfare recipients short.

I dont sell them short...I give credit where credit is due and if they do work and or have financial means & collect they are real scum bags and I don’t consider that selling them short.
Just calling a spade a spade,(I love that term,need to revitalize it)


10 posted on 08/25/2013 8:09:57 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: SeekAndFind

Pelosi was so proud when she announced that with “free healthcare” and welfare, more people will be able to stay home and realize their life long dreams of writing poetry, learning to play the guitar and painting pictures of bowls of fruit. What a country!!!


11 posted on 08/25/2013 8:12:45 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The time for impeachment has come.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"...and our economy simply does not produce enough jobs for everyone anymore."

It's producing hundreds of thousands of jobs for the Chinese and other low wage countries.

12 posted on 08/25/2013 8:14:34 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: SeekAndFind
"...and our economy simply does not produce enough jobs for everyone anymore."

It's producing hundreds of thousands of jobs for the Chinese and other low wage countries.

13 posted on 08/25/2013 8:14:34 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: SeekAndFind

My worthless brother-in-law (If you know him he probably owes you money) has not worked steady since 1981. He said he was not going to pay taxes to Reagan!

By 1985 he found a way not to work at all and has been living on government funds since. What the government did not pay he had HIS WIFE work to make up the difference, but not him! He is too good for work!

Now his wife lost their job and he had to declare bankruptcy. But then, it’s not HIS fault! It is everyone else’s fault!

He sleeps till noon. Every day.


14 posted on 08/25/2013 8:15:30 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m happy that RV sales have come roaring back because I live where they are manufactured and have a job that involves property taxes....so if welfare recipients are living it up in luxury at least do it in style, and on the road. :)


15 posted on 08/25/2013 8:18:50 AM PDT by erlayman
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To: SeekAndFind
Margaret Thatcher coined the phrase..."on yer bike"

That means get off the sofa and out into the cold and go find a job,

16 posted on 08/25/2013 8:19:38 AM PDT by spokeshave (While Zero plays silly card games like Spades - Putin plays for keeps.)
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To: Tigerized

Yes but ONLY if welfare was funded by illegals, GLBT, leftists, Unions etc...and not a penny of tax from a patriot.
I’m not ripping off my productive true brotha/sista fellow citizens. Therefore in reality its a No.


17 posted on 08/25/2013 8:20:43 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: SeekAndFind

“The World does not owe you a living!” My father told me this a thousand times. He was right.


18 posted on 08/25/2013 8:25:53 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: SeekAndFind

*answering title question with another question: If you were a single man and you learned that women were attracted to violent men, would you become violent to attract a mate? Some of us are governed by nobler instincts.


19 posted on 08/25/2013 8:30:14 AM PDT by conservativeimage.com (I Won't Go Underground http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wema3CNqzvg)
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To: SeekAndFind

I make 75,000 a year. I doubt that they would pay me that much in welfare. If they could, I would decline. Even though there are days when I would love to stay in bed with my wife all day, I still enjoy being productive. I was out of work from June 2011 until March 2012 and it was great at first, but it got old QUICK!


20 posted on 08/25/2013 8:33:22 AM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: erlayman
I’m happy that RV sales have come roaring back

Yeah...I noticed that....

At one big dealer they told me they sold 2,500 RV'S last year....and this time they already sold 2,700 by end of August,,,

So I asked him how this is possible in today's weak economy...

and the reply was...."the rich always have money"

Could be more people seeing the coming collapse and are bugging out.

(Spokeshave who is past his shelf life but delivers an occasional RV)

21 posted on 08/25/2013 8:40:07 AM PDT by spokeshave (While Zero plays silly card games like Spades - Putin plays for keeps.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Prior to the past four years-never.

Now? You betcha. I would do whatever I could to do my part to "bring it all down, man."

22 posted on 08/25/2013 8:41:20 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Up until a couple of years ago, my answer would be "no".

Obama's reign has proven one thing to me, though: Playing by the rules is for suckers.

These days, yes, if I could make the same or more money by sitting on my ass, I'd do it.

23 posted on 08/25/2013 8:43:19 AM PDT by Washi
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To: SeekAndFind

Especially if one could double- or triple-dip benefits.


24 posted on 08/25/2013 8:47:03 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: SeekAndFind
Nope, too much pride in myself and I'm proud of that pride to boot.

In 33 states and the District of Columbia, welfare pays more than an $8-an-hour job. In 12 states and DC, the welfare package is more generous than a $15-an-hour job.

And there's the problem.

25 posted on 08/25/2013 8:51:36 AM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz......Nuff said.)
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To: SeekAndFind
i'd rather sell untaxed cigarettes...
26 posted on 08/25/2013 9:00:40 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: SeekAndFind

Government sure does make it easy for some to sit at home & collect welfare. It gives no incentive to better yourself. There are some cases where the person truly needs it and is not “working” the system/taking advantage of it, but those cases are few and far between.

Welfare is continuous, as is disability. Drive through the hood sometime, lots of them are perfectly able to work but are on disability. The abuse is rampant.

I know the article didn’t mention unemployment, but I think that’s harder to abuse since it does have limits. In Wisconsin you can only apply for so many extensions before it’s completely done. I’ve been on unemployment (circumstances beyond my control, please don’t judge) for 10 months. It will completely run out end of this December. Thank goodness I finally found a job where I’ll actually make more than unemployment. Roughly $900 more a month, plus benefits. Even though my new job is about a 35-40 minute drive, factoring in gas and after school care for my daughter, I’m still ahead $550 a month. Its not exactly where I wanted to be, but its a job and I want to work. I guess that’s the difference between me and the users that abuse the system. I do want to work, I do want to better myself. Unless I win the mega lottery of course... :)


27 posted on 08/25/2013 9:05:56 AM PDT by jodster36
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To: rktman

....dont tempt me.....


28 posted on 08/25/2013 9:08:58 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

LOL!


29 posted on 08/25/2013 9:10:52 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Interesting that the picture is of a middle-aged, slightly overweight white man.


30 posted on 08/25/2013 9:12:37 AM PDT by ChiefJayStrongbow
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To: SeekAndFind

I worked with juvenile offenders in the early ‘80’s. One kid’s most profitable burglary netted him $5,000. They thought it was incredibly stupid for people to work all year at McDonald’s when one day’s “enterprise” would yield such a profit. The only embarrassment was being caught and incarcerated. Even that is now considered a rite of passage in some circles.


31 posted on 08/25/2013 9:15:31 AM PDT by Silentgypsy (:))
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To: SeekAndFind

“If You Could Make More Money By Going On Welfare Instead Of Working, Would You Do It?”

No. I’d become a professional panhandler. I hear they make excellent cash wages, all tax-free.


32 posted on 08/25/2013 9:17:17 AM PDT by Up Yours Marxists
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To: Kid Shelleen

In my area I’d say MOST of them work under the table. Gubberment programs cover all the overhead very well and work under the table for cash pays for the extras. There is a huge underground economy of untaxed money and goods and it isn’t with people who are getting a 1099 or a W-2.


33 posted on 08/25/2013 9:17:21 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Up Yours Marxists

You could do both and really live high on the hog.


34 posted on 08/25/2013 9:19:41 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: SeekAndFind

My next door neighbors have lived in their home for four years now without paying any mortgage payments or property taxes. The husband managed to get himself “layed off” because rehabs failed to help his alcoholism. He managed to drink himself into total “depression” with the two years of unemployment he received. Meanwhile, the wife’s son,( just out of prison for burglary and addiction to pills, his four children,(including his thirteen year old daughter who has a baby of her own despite medicaid sponsored birth control from age eleven) and wife moved in with them, bringing to seven the total of persons that are being provided free food, medical care, clothing and transportation to doctors appointments plus numerous other services. Bankruptcy was declared to allow them to walk away from all the debts that they owed and to delay indefinitely the bank’s ability to recover a house that hasn’t been paid on for years. They are now assured that the husband, now fourty-nine years old, is close to winning lifetime disability payments because he’s “depressed” because of his drinking problem.

How do I know all this? Because it is a source of great pride for the wife to relate how all of this is orchestrated, managed and procured. I have reached the limit of how much of this I can politely listen to and have begun to avoid her at all costs. Although I have a small fixed social security income I feel no parallel exists because my late husband and I worked a collective seventy years before being eligible.

Meanwhile, I have a son-in-law who works sixty hours a week so my daughter can stay home with their two children. They struggle to pay house payments, bills and medical insurance. Fourty percent of his overtime pay is taken by the IRS to finance.....guess what.....programs to proliferate and multiply the free lifestyle of people like my neighbors and to help them engage in their hobbies, the latest of which is hoarding sick, disease carrying, unvaccinated, free roaming cats with taxpayer’s money.

The numbers of freeloading parasites have begun to outpace the numbers of struggling taxpayers who have their hard won money stolen from them by the Socialist machine to support and proliferate the deadbeat portion of society. Yes, the collapse will happen soon and all those parasitic bums will be coming for the rest of what we have because they think they deserve it.

Would I do what they do if I was destitute? I can honestly say no, I would not because I have been and didn’t. But then, I’m old and come from quite a different world. My father taught me that it was a shame and disgrace to be lazy or to steal.


35 posted on 08/25/2013 9:44:51 AM PDT by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: FlingWingFlyer

cant tell if that was sarcasm or if Pelosi really said that.... making bowls or writing poetry at home while on welfare...


36 posted on 08/25/2013 9:59:55 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: SeekAndFind
How much is extra leisure worth?

One could make less on welfare than work and still come out ahead after factoring in all the extra time available for fun.

37 posted on 08/25/2013 10:19:15 AM PDT by freerepublicchat
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To: SeekAndFind

Fat, dull and soft is no way to go through life.


38 posted on 08/25/2013 10:44:05 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Back in 2008 things were going well enough financially that I voluntarily left the workforce to spend more quality time with the kiddos. After 15 months I was itching to get back to work to get the feeling of being a productive adult. Being a stay-at-home dad was great but some of us just need the challenges of combining employment with our personal lives.

Welfare is simply not an option unless there are no other options left.


39 posted on 08/25/2013 10:55:40 AM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( Obama is the Rachel Jeantel of US Presidents ))))
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To: Blue Highway

Yes. She did say that. Right after the 2008 elections.


40 posted on 08/25/2013 10:57:02 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The time for impeachment has come.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sensible people realize that this can not continue. Sooner or later you run out of people willing to work.

But this is the goal of the left. Put more people out of work. Increase taxes. Get more people on welfare. Destroy the economy so they can STEP IN AND TAKE OVER and turn this country into the communist paradise they long for so much.


41 posted on 08/25/2013 11:05:57 AM PDT by I want the USA back
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To: spokeshave

An RV may be a low cost rental to a down and out family member, and easier to remove them than evicting them from the house.
An RV becomes a place to live if you have to bug out.
It may be an investment as a low cost rental property.


42 posted on 08/25/2013 12:19:53 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Sequoyah101

Where do this many people find work?


43 posted on 08/25/2013 12:20:36 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Two Kids' Dad

RE: . Being a stay-at-home dad was great but some of us just need the challenges of combining employment with our personal lives.

Did the 15 month time off affect your employability at all? Was it an issue with employers?


44 posted on 08/25/2013 2:05:23 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: tbw2

18% of a county of about 40,000 so a total of 3,600 people including children. Only a few adults work on the side, say a thousand or so?


45 posted on 08/25/2013 7:11:45 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: napscoordinator

Not working gets old quick. I agree.

I was unemployed for a long time. At first I liked it because is was a break from working without a vacation for many years. Then I wanted to find that elusive job. What I am doing now isn’t the greatest, but at least it is a job. After being there for over a year and half, the union recently decided to go on strike.


46 posted on 08/25/2013 7:25:25 PM PDT by moviefan8
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To: SeekAndFind

The time off wasn’t an issue at all because my first job back was with a guy I had worked with previously and I worked part-time for a few months until the department got busy enough for me to go full-time again. It was a really nice transition back.


47 posted on 08/27/2013 7:04:34 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( Obama is the Rachel Jeantel of US Presidents ))))
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