Posted on 08/16/2013 7:21:29 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
Also, please explain to me how we can in any way any longer be called a free people when government is allowed to exercise this sort of complete and total power over the people, right down to whether or not they are allowed to eat and provide for their families without becoming a ward of the state.
We are a nation of 316 million people. Record keeping whether it be property records, marriage or birth certificates, military records, passports, etc, is just a necessity in order to function as a society.
Could you be more specific as to what databases you believe are authorized by the Constitution.
Social Security is unconstitutional. Yes, it should be done away with.
The father of the U.S. Constitution, James Madison:
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.
The others you list are not federal, which is a separate matter entirely, depending solely on how much power has been granted to that individual state by the people of that state via their state constitution.
First you are talking about e-verify. And no the government has not compiled a database with everyone in it. E-verify uses several databases as part of the verification process.
For the third time, do you object to the I-9, which is mandatory?
So which databases does the Constitution authorize? Be specific.
The only two federal databases you list are military records and passports, neither of which is inclusive of all Americans. They are specific, not general. I mean, unless you think everyone should have to serve in the military, or be required to possess a universal passport. Do you?
The only authorized list of everybody is the census every ten years, and that is only a head count intended to be used to set congressional districts and electoral votes. Nothing more.
So which databases are authorized? Is the test that it must apply to every person.
Ha.
So you have no problem with government databases, only those that are totally inclusive? If you never work, e-verify or the I-9 doesn’t apply to you?
No. The test is whether or not it involves a constitutionally-valid function of the general government.
You really think their is the political will to do away with SS? Ha
The framers never gave the federal government the power to have any say in the area of employment.
If you disagree, the burden is on you to point to the enumerated power.
You are not making any logical sense. The government keeps all kinds of records, including military, tax, etc.
Probably not as long as "conservatives" and "Republicans" continue to ignore the Constitution and make the staunch defense of the unconstitutional, socialist New Deal and Great Society programs part of their political platform.
No burden on me. I don’t subscribe to your Libertarian view. You are the one making the assertion saying that only census records should be allowed—and they are pretty intrusive.
Not as long as there are 55 million on SS, 70 million on Medicaid, and 47 million on Medicare. And the number will double in the next 20 years.
EV is not a libertarian (AFAIK), he is a traditional, originalist conservative like me.
Before around early 1900’s the government did not track and keep tabs the average citizens of this country.
I guess the RNC never heard the old saying, “give them an inch and they’ll take a mile”.
Democrats are Lucy, Republicans are Charlie Brown.
I'm making perfect logical sense. Show me the constitutionally-valid enumerated power. Why is that so hard to grasp, or so much to ask?
Military records are part of the legitimate powers granted to Congress and the Executive branch for national defense.
Tax records under the current system are highly questionable. It is pretty much impossible to fill out an income tax form without surrendering your Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights.
Actually, you're describing why it will end, one way or another.
Do it in an orderly fashion, or wait for the catastrophe. It's your choice. Because all Ponzi schemes inevitably fail.
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