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RNC Calls for Immigration Reform, but No Pathway to Citizenship
kmbz.com ^ | 16 August 2013 | kmbz.com

Posted on 08/16/2013 7:21:29 PM PDT by moonshinner_09

iStockphoto/Thinkstock(WASHINGTON) -- The Republican National Committee passed a resolution Friday calling on President Obama and Congress to pass immigration reform legislation before the end of the year, but it did not include a pathway to citizenship for any of the 11 million undocumented immigrants in this country, unlike the bipartisan legislation passed by the Senate in June.

The resolution criticized the current system, calling it “premised upon obsolete public policy” and “outdated technology,” and said the “best deterrent to illegal immigration is a well-functioning program for legal immigration, which we do not have.”

The resolution called on the president and Congress to create a new work permit program, which, according to the resolution, would “allow foreign nationals who are currently in the country and have not violated any other laws of the U.S. to come forward and register and be allowed to remain and work in the U.S.”

The language, though, specifically excluded a path to citizenship. The work permit, which would need to be renewed every two years, would “not result in application for citizenship nor any family members entering the U.S.” It would also require the immigrant to have “proof of continuous employment,” with no more than two months per year of unemployment.

The resolution called on Congress to create a special legal status for undocumented immigrants brought to America as children, a group known as “DREAMers” by immigration activists. The name came from the DREAM Act, legislation created for minors who were brought to this country illegally by their parents to be able to gain legal status.

Their classification for those brought to America as children also would include a work permit, but it would be renewable every five years. That, too, would have no pathway to citizenship and require proof of employment or attendance in school.

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The resolution called for increased border security, including the completion of a border fence and increased law enforcement or military patrols, as well as mandatory employer use of the E-verify system.. Yup can already tell this bill is a sham.Obama will never allow the completion of a border fence and increased law enforcement or military patrols.mandatory employer use of the E-verify system.. what happens if employer does not use E-verify system.. I can see it now Holder will send back a note don't call us and we want call you.
1 posted on 08/16/2013 7:21:29 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

Anything they send to the Senate will turn into full blown Amnesty. they know it and we know it.

They are trying to fool the ignorant with this horse dung.

Vote no incumbents. From either party


2 posted on 08/16/2013 7:27:09 PM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: moonshinner_09
Right, “no pathway to citizenship” like the green card was abolished or something. The LORD smite them for their open, shameless lies.
3 posted on 08/16/2013 7:32:38 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: moonshinner_09

So the GOP has “called on the president and Congress to...“allow...(ILLEGALS) currently in the country and have not violated any other laws of the U.S. to ...be allowed to remain and work in the U.S.”

Unbelievable. Is that what passes for a republican party these days?

How about calling on the president to round them up and deport them for breaking the law!


4 posted on 08/16/2013 7:40:34 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: moonshinner_09

This is amnesty. Any legislation that allows the lawbreakers to stay and work here, the object of their crime, is amnesty. Citizenship is just the cherry on top.


5 posted on 08/16/2013 7:53:02 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Venturer

The RNC plan is amnesty.


6 posted on 08/16/2013 7:53:30 PM PDT by kabar
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To: moonshinner_09
The illegals are already here.
Law enforcement is purposely not enforcing the laws.
The legislature is busy debating which additional laws they need to pass to solve the "problem".
The solution is not more laws.
The government is broken.
7 posted on 08/16/2013 7:57:07 PM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: kabar

Yes: I believe you are right. We are being played.


8 posted on 08/16/2013 8:00:33 PM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: moonshinner_09

Why can’t the GOP get a simple winning message together on this issue? They are so inept.

When the border is sealed off, completely secure, then we are will support a path to citizenship. But citizenship will never come to a vote until the border is sealed so we suggest anyone that favors a path to citizenship get busy sealing the border, and we mean sealed tight as a drum!

The path to citizenship is a sealed border so this issue is settled once and for all and that we are not back here again in five years dealing with this all over again.

Do we make ourselves clear? Seal the border first!


9 posted on 08/16/2013 8:00:40 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: moonshinner_09

It’s a setup. NO BILL!


10 posted on 08/16/2013 8:06:29 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: moonshinner_09

Years ago, the moribund MN Republican Party tried to change its name to something that never stuck. Now the national GOP can change its name: The Hari-Kari Party.


11 posted on 08/16/2013 8:09:21 PM PDT by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!")
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To: Venturer
They are trying to fool the ignorant

They have and they will continue to fool the ignoratnt. A lot of this is "white guilt" complex.

12 posted on 08/16/2013 8:11:16 PM PDT by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!")
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To: Venturer
I talked to staffers in both Rubio's office and McCain's office. I told them I thought any plan that included a pathway background check should include cross checking voter registration roles so those who have been stealing our legal votes by committing felony fraud would be bumped out of the process ans sent packing.

McCain's office thought that was an antagonistic idea. Rubio's office had no comment and said they'd get back to me. They never did.

13 posted on 08/16/2013 8:17:35 PM PDT by Baynative (Lord, keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.)
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To: moonshinner_09

There you have it. Official Republican policy: AMNESTY.


14 posted on 08/16/2013 8:21:49 PM PDT by Ray76 (Common sense immigration reform: Enforce Existing Law)
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To: kabar
This is amnesty. Any legislation that allows the lawbreakers to stay and work here, the object of their crime, is amnesty. Citizenship is just the cherry on top.

Yep.

And E-Verify is another overwhelmingly intrusive national database, with every American citizen required to be in it in order to receive government permission to earn their daily bread.

It's entering mark of the beast territory, frankly.

They fail in their fundamental sworn duty to protect the states from invasion, and then ask the American people to give up all of their liberty as a "solution."

Pathetic.

Conservatives need to speak up and speak out against E-Verify.

15 posted on 08/16/2013 8:26:30 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have socialism or you can have America. You can't have both. Pick one.)
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To: oldbrowser

Here’s how bad it is. The legislative branch is supposed to make laws, and the executive’s job is to enforce them. Right?
Well, the executive (Obama & Holder) isn’t enforcing the immigration laws but is suggesting (as it has become used to doing, through others) that if it doesn’t get a ‘65/’86 ‘mulligan’—that it will usurp the function of a coequal branch of government and by executive order repeal the ‘Immigration and Naturalization’ title in the US Code.

And much more than that, that King Obama will pass new law by personal fiat.


16 posted on 08/16/2013 8:30:02 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
When the border is sealed off, completely secure, then we are will support a path to citizenship. But citizenship will never come to a vote until the border is sealed so we suggest anyone that favors a path to citizenship get busy sealing the border, and we mean sealed tight as a drum!

They sure as hell have you fooled. Why should we ever give these people legalization of status let alone citizenship. We have the rule of law, And what about the 4 million waiting their turn overseas who have completed all the paperwork?

17 posted on 08/16/2013 8:39:01 PM PDT by kabar
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To: EternalVigilance

I support E-verify. It is more fraud proof than the current I-9 process.


18 posted on 08/16/2013 8:41:28 PM PDT by kabar
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To: tumblindice

And Repubs will do nothing about it. Both D & R have worked together to advance an agenda contrary to law. They do so now and will in the future.

They BOTH must go.


19 posted on 08/16/2013 8:51:31 PM PDT by Ray76 (Common sense immigration reform: Enforce Existing Law)
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To: moonshinner_09
Okay, good start. But then they went downhill – fast,” said Frank Sharry, executive director of America’s Voice. “It says that you can graduate from our universities and serve in our armed forces, but you can’t be a citizen.

Sharry thinks they should go to the head of the line. Any foreign national can apply for naturalization and citizenship from their home country. Entering and living illegally in this country gives a person no special rights.

20 posted on 08/16/2013 8:51:35 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Kill Obamacare not wound it.)
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To: moonshinner_09
The Republican National Committee passed a resolution Friday calling on President Obama and Congress to pass immigration reform legislation before the end of the year, but it did not include a pathway to citizenship for any of the 11 million undocumented immigrants in this country, unlike the bipartisan legislation passed by the Senate in June.

Why is "comprehensive immigration reform" the only terminology in Congress'lexicon, but NOT enforcing the existing immigration laws?? IMO, changing the law before we re-evaluate the existing laws to see what works and what, if anything, needs to be changed is the classical example of putting the cart before the horse.

21 posted on 08/16/2013 8:52:28 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for the American politburo!!)
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To: tumblindice
tumblindice~:".. And much more than that, that King Obama will pass new law by personal fiat."

Let him do that ,..by fiat !
THAT is an impeachable offense !!

KILL THE BILL..SUBMIT NOTHING !


22 posted on 08/16/2013 8:55:08 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt ((Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison))
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt
anything submitted allows the Senate to "conference"
The senate will change the bill into something unrecognizable !

KILL THE BILL..SUBMIT NOTHING !!


23 posted on 08/16/2013 9:01:34 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt ((Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison))
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To: moonshinner_09

So let the RNC raise its money from the illegals.

After amnesty, the Republicans will become the third party. And then join the Whigs.

But it won’t matter. We will be another Third World Latino country by 2040.


24 posted on 08/16/2013 9:04:26 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: moonshinner_09

It’s my opinion that all illegal aliens (from any country and regardless of how they got here) need to return to their home countries for a minimum of two years (with proof of residency in their home country), then they can qualify to get in the back of the line to try go immigrate here properly. Anyone caught in this country illegally - regardless of whether or not they were in the process of further breaking the law - should be forever banned from receiving citizenship or a green card or any governmental benefits. Further, we should bill each of the home countries for any costs involved with their citizens being within our borders.


25 posted on 08/16/2013 9:18:37 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( Obama is the Rachel Jeantel of US Presidents ))))
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To: moonshinner_09

“best deterrent to illegal immigration is a well-functioning program for legal immigration, which we do not have.”

Insofar as the plan provides for the opportunity to work and pay taxes in America, they will gain a path to citizenship.


26 posted on 08/16/2013 9:34:16 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: oldbill

“We will be another Third World Latino country by 2040.”

Arguing that illegal immigration is bad because it’s Latinos is a losing argument.


27 posted on 08/16/2013 9:35:57 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: kabar

“I support E-verify. It is more fraud proof than the current I-9 process.”

If it’s voluntary I support it. Mandatory would mean that every person in America would have to get federal government approval before they work. This is bad.

It is not the job of the business owners to regulate immigration. It’s the job of the federal government to regulate immigration. Passing the buck to employers will not work.


28 posted on 08/16/2013 9:38:28 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: kabar

Fraud proof or not, it is the turning over of complete control over our right and ability to earn our daily bread.

Not to speak of the total loss of our privacy to the state.


29 posted on 08/16/2013 9:50:13 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have socialism or you can have America. You can't have both. Pick one.)
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To: EternalVigilance

You obviously don’t understand how E-verify works or the I-9 process. E-verify uses existing databases. Are you against the I-9?


30 posted on 08/16/2013 9:55:17 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

I’m against any all-inclusive government database except the only one authorized by the Constitution. And that one is only a headcount, nothing more.


31 posted on 08/16/2013 9:59:26 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have socialism or you can have America. You can't have both. Pick one.)
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To: kabar

I understand exactly how E-Verify works. And I characterized it accurately.


32 posted on 08/16/2013 10:01:00 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have socialism or you can have America. You can't have both. Pick one.)
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To: kabar

Those waiting overseas that have completed their paperwork go to the front of the line provided they meet the requirement that they have financial where with all.

And nobody has fooled me. Without the border sealed everything else is a gimme. The border issue is the best the GOP we can get. It is the only hand. It is all that can be grabbed out of this debate. If the gauntlet is laid down on that then that is what will be achieved.

I’m as cynical as you are but I think more practical. The present situation is not going to change and will only become a bigger problem if not dealt with as I suggest. In other words, your way is not doable and only perpetuates more of what you don’t like.

Please take this as friendly discussion. I’m not trying to attack or be harsh. Happy to have your thoughtful reply.


33 posted on 08/16/2013 10:04:07 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: kabar

By the way, any government databases that contain information on the people of the United States that is not authorized by the Constitution should be destroyed.


34 posted on 08/16/2013 10:07:53 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have socialism or you can have America. You can't have both. Pick one.)
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To: oldbill

“But it won’t matter. We will be another Third World Latino country by 2040.”

We already are in California.


35 posted on 08/16/2013 10:32:29 PM PDT by Pelham (Deportation is the law. When it's not enforced you get California)
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To: EternalVigilance
So tell me how it works. You didn't respond to my I-9 question. Do you object to this form.
36 posted on 08/16/2013 10:34:46 PM PDT by kabar
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To: gunsequalfreedom
Those waiting overseas that have completed their paperwork go to the front of the line provided they meet the requirement that they have financial where with all.

The line is overseas. Many wait a long time before their turn comes up depending on what immigration category they are in

And nobody has fooled me. Without the border sealed everything else is a gimme. The border issue is the best the GOP we can get. It is the only hand. It is all that can be grabbed out of this debate. If the gauntlet is laid down on that then that is what will be achieved.

First, 40% of the illegals in the country came here legally and overstayed their visa. Securing the border solves only part of the problem.

Second, why would we concede an amnesty just to get the border secured? Once you legalize the status of the lawbreakers, given them SSNs and work permits, and allow them to be reunited thru chain migration, i.e., family reunification, the country is finished.

I’m as cynical as you are but I think more practical. The present situation is not going to change and will only become a bigger problem if not dealt with as I suggest. In other words, your way is not doable and only perpetuates more of what you don’t like.

Au contraire. What you are proposing is far worse. Once you legalize the status of 11 to 20 million lawbreakers, it is irreversible.

Please take this as friendly discussion. I’m not trying to attack or be harsh. Happy to have your thoughtful reply.

No offense meant. I have spent the last seven years on the subject lobbying on the Hill and in Richmond. I understand how the other side likes to fool people thru the use of language. Illegal alien becomes an undocumented worker. There is no amnesty if you pay a fine, learn English, and get to the back of the line.

And legal immigration is far more destructive than illegal aliens entering this country. Every ten years we have what amounts to an amnesty thru legal immigration.

37 posted on 08/16/2013 10:48:13 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

I did answer your question. “I’m against any all-inclusive government database except the only one authorized by the Constitution.”

Please point me to the constitutionally-enumerated power that the general government possesses to gather this information on citizens of the United States.

Also, please explain to me how we can in any way any longer be called a free people when government is allowed to exercise this sort of complete and total power over the people, right down to whether or not they are allowed to eat and provide for their families without becoming a ward of the state.


38 posted on 08/16/2013 10:50:01 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have socialism or you can have America. You can't have both. Pick one.)
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To: EternalVigilance

So we should get rid of databases like SSNs, driver’s licenses, birth and death records, marriages, etc.?


39 posted on 08/16/2013 10:50:37 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
So tell me how it works.

I already did. The government has compiled a database with everyone in it, theoretically. If you seek work, you must be found in this database, or you do not have permission to work. (Currently the system is "voluntary," but the Republicans are desperate to make it mandatory...an end that some of us have been predicting since its inception.)

Ultimately, the existence of this information opens the door to complete control over the people. All you're lacking once the information exists is someone in power with the willingness to use it against We the People.

Every heard of anyone like that?

40 posted on 08/16/2013 10:54:31 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have socialism or you can have America. You can't have both. Pick one.)
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To: EternalVigilance
You didn't answer my question. Are you against the I-9?

Also, please explain to me how we can in any way any longer be called a free people when government is allowed to exercise this sort of complete and total power over the people, right down to whether or not they are allowed to eat and provide for their families without becoming a ward of the state.

We are a nation of 316 million people. Record keeping whether it be property records, marriage or birth certificates, military records, passports, etc, is just a necessity in order to function as a society.

Could you be more specific as to what databases you believe are authorized by the Constitution.

41 posted on 08/16/2013 10:55:39 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
So we should get rid of databases like SSNs, driver’s licenses, birth and death records, marriages, etc.?

Social Security is unconstitutional. Yes, it should be done away with.

The father of the U.S. Constitution, James Madison:

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”

The others you list are not federal, which is a separate matter entirely, depending solely on how much power has been granted to that individual state by the people of that state via their state constitution.

42 posted on 08/16/2013 10:58:38 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have socialism or you can have America. You can't have both. Pick one.)
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To: EternalVigilance
I already did. The government has compiled a database with everyone in it, theoretically. If you seek work, you must be found in this database, or you do not have permission to work. (Currently the system is "voluntary," but the Republicans are desperate to make it mandatory...an end that some of us have been predicting since its inception.)

First you are talking about e-verify. And no the government has not compiled a database with everyone in it. E-verify uses several databases as part of the verification process.

For the third time, do you object to the I-9, which is mandatory?

43 posted on 08/16/2013 10:58:55 PM PDT by kabar
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To: EternalVigilance

So which databases does the Constitution authorize? Be specific.


44 posted on 08/16/2013 11:00:46 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Record keeping whether it be property records, marriage or birth certificates, military records, passports, etc, is just a necessity in order to function as a society.

The only two federal databases you list are military records and passports, neither of which is inclusive of all Americans. They are specific, not general. I mean, unless you think everyone should have to serve in the military, or be required to possess a universal passport. Do you?

45 posted on 08/16/2013 11:01:37 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have socialism or you can have America. You can't have both. Pick one.)
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To: kabar
So which databases does the Constitution authorize? Be specific.

The only authorized list of everybody is the census every ten years, and that is only a head count intended to be used to set congressional districts and electoral votes. Nothing more.

46 posted on 08/16/2013 11:03:18 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have socialism or you can have America. You can't have both. Pick one.)
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To: EternalVigilance

So which databases are authorized? Is the test that it must apply to every person.


47 posted on 08/16/2013 11:03:50 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
And no the government has not compiled a database with everyone in it

Ha.

48 posted on 08/16/2013 11:04:59 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have socialism or you can have America. You can't have both. Pick one.)
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To: EternalVigilance

So you have no problem with government databases, only those that are totally inclusive? If you never work, e-verify or the I-9 doesn’t apply to you?


49 posted on 08/16/2013 11:06:22 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Is the test that it must apply to every person.

No. The test is whether or not it involves a constitutionally-valid function of the general government.

50 posted on 08/16/2013 11:07:05 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have socialism or you can have America. You can't have both. Pick one.)
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