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RNC Calls for Immigration Reform, but No Pathway to Citizenship
kmbz.com ^ | 16 August 2013 | kmbz.com

Posted on 08/16/2013 7:21:29 PM PDT by moonshinner_09

iStockphoto/Thinkstock(WASHINGTON) -- The Republican National Committee passed a resolution Friday calling on President Obama and Congress to pass immigration reform legislation before the end of the year, but it did not include a pathway to citizenship for any of the 11 million undocumented immigrants in this country, unlike the bipartisan legislation passed by the Senate in June.

The resolution criticized the current system, calling it “premised upon obsolete public policy” and “outdated technology,” and said the “best deterrent to illegal immigration is a well-functioning program for legal immigration, which we do not have.”

The resolution called on the president and Congress to create a new work permit program, which, according to the resolution, would “allow foreign nationals who are currently in the country and have not violated any other laws of the U.S. to come forward and register and be allowed to remain and work in the U.S.”

The language, though, specifically excluded a path to citizenship. The work permit, which would need to be renewed every two years, would “not result in application for citizenship nor any family members entering the U.S.” It would also require the immigrant to have “proof of continuous employment,” with no more than two months per year of unemployment.

The resolution called on Congress to create a special legal status for undocumented immigrants brought to America as children, a group known as “DREAMers” by immigration activists. The name came from the DREAM Act, legislation created for minors who were brought to this country illegally by their parents to be able to gain legal status.

Their classification for those brought to America as children also would include a work permit, but it would be renewable every five years. That, too, would have no pathway to citizenship and require proof of employment or attendance in school.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; dhs; immigration
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To: EternalVigilance
You didn't answer my question. Are you against the I-9?

Also, please explain to me how we can in any way any longer be called a free people when government is allowed to exercise this sort of complete and total power over the people, right down to whether or not they are allowed to eat and provide for their families without becoming a ward of the state.

We are a nation of 316 million people. Record keeping whether it be property records, marriage or birth certificates, military records, passports, etc, is just a necessity in order to function as a society.

Could you be more specific as to what databases you believe are authorized by the Constitution.

41 posted on 08/16/2013 10:55:39 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
So we should get rid of databases like SSNs, driver’s licenses, birth and death records, marriages, etc.?

Social Security is unconstitutional. Yes, it should be done away with.

The father of the U.S. Constitution, James Madison:

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”

The others you list are not federal, which is a separate matter entirely, depending solely on how much power has been granted to that individual state by the people of that state via their state constitution.

42 posted on 08/16/2013 10:58:38 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have socialism or you can have America. You can't have both. Pick one.)
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To: EternalVigilance
I already did. The government has compiled a database with everyone in it, theoretically. If you seek work, you must be found in this database, or you do not have permission to work. (Currently the system is "voluntary," but the Republicans are desperate to make it mandatory...an end that some of us have been predicting since its inception.)

First you are talking about e-verify. And no the government has not compiled a database with everyone in it. E-verify uses several databases as part of the verification process.

For the third time, do you object to the I-9, which is mandatory?

43 posted on 08/16/2013 10:58:55 PM PDT by kabar
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To: EternalVigilance

So which databases does the Constitution authorize? Be specific.


44 posted on 08/16/2013 11:00:46 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Record keeping whether it be property records, marriage or birth certificates, military records, passports, etc, is just a necessity in order to function as a society.

The only two federal databases you list are military records and passports, neither of which is inclusive of all Americans. They are specific, not general. I mean, unless you think everyone should have to serve in the military, or be required to possess a universal passport. Do you?

45 posted on 08/16/2013 11:01:37 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have socialism or you can have America. You can't have both. Pick one.)
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To: kabar
So which databases does the Constitution authorize? Be specific.

The only authorized list of everybody is the census every ten years, and that is only a head count intended to be used to set congressional districts and electoral votes. Nothing more.

46 posted on 08/16/2013 11:03:18 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have socialism or you can have America. You can't have both. Pick one.)
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To: EternalVigilance

So which databases are authorized? Is the test that it must apply to every person.


47 posted on 08/16/2013 11:03:50 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
And no the government has not compiled a database with everyone in it

Ha.

48 posted on 08/16/2013 11:04:59 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have socialism or you can have America. You can't have both. Pick one.)
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To: EternalVigilance

So you have no problem with government databases, only those that are totally inclusive? If you never work, e-verify or the I-9 doesn’t apply to you?


49 posted on 08/16/2013 11:06:22 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Is the test that it must apply to every person.

No. The test is whether or not it involves a constitutionally-valid function of the general government.

50 posted on 08/16/2013 11:07:05 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have socialism or you can have America. You can't have both. Pick one.)
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To: EternalVigilance

You really think their is the political will to do away with SS? Ha


51 posted on 08/16/2013 11:07:27 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
So you have no problem with government databases, only those that are totally inclusive? If you never work, e-verify or the I-9 doesn’t apply to you?

The framers never gave the federal government the power to have any say in the area of employment.

If you disagree, the burden is on you to point to the enumerated power.

52 posted on 08/16/2013 11:08:25 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have socialism or you can have America. You can't have both. Pick one.)
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To: EternalVigilance

You are not making any logical sense. The government keeps all kinds of records, including military, tax, etc.


53 posted on 08/16/2013 11:10:03 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
You really think their is the political will to do away with SS? Ha

Probably not as long as "conservatives" and "Republicans" continue to ignore the Constitution and make the staunch defense of the unconstitutional, socialist New Deal and Great Society programs part of their political platform.

54 posted on 08/16/2013 11:10:51 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have socialism or you can have America. You can't have both. Pick one.)
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To: EternalVigilance

No burden on me. I don’t subscribe to your Libertarian view. You are the one making the assertion saying that only census records should be allowed—and they are pretty intrusive.


55 posted on 08/16/2013 11:13:58 PM PDT by kabar
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To: EternalVigilance

Not as long as there are 55 million on SS, 70 million on Medicaid, and 47 million on Medicare. And the number will double in the next 20 years.


56 posted on 08/16/2013 11:15:48 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

EV is not a libertarian (AFAIK), he is a traditional, originalist conservative like me.

Before around early 1900’s the government did not track and keep tabs the average citizens of this country.


57 posted on 08/16/2013 11:15:55 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: moonshinner_09

I guess the RNC never heard the old saying, “give them an inch and they’ll take a mile”.

Democrats are Lucy, Republicans are Charlie Brown.


58 posted on 08/16/2013 11:15:56 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Liberal Democrats are Communists. RINO Republicans are Communist Sympathizers.)
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To: kabar
You are not making any logical sense. The government keeps all kinds of records, including military, tax, etc.

I'm making perfect logical sense. Show me the constitutionally-valid enumerated power. Why is that so hard to grasp, or so much to ask?

Military records are part of the legitimate powers granted to Congress and the Executive branch for national defense.

Tax records under the current system are highly questionable. It is pretty much impossible to fill out an income tax form without surrendering your Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights.

59 posted on 08/16/2013 11:15:56 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have socialism or you can have America. You can't have both. Pick one.)
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To: kabar
Not as long as there are 55 million on SS, 70 million on Medicaid, and 47 million on Medicare. And the number will double in the next 20 years.

Actually, you're describing why it will end, one way or another.

Do it in an orderly fashion, or wait for the catastrophe. It's your choice. Because all Ponzi schemes inevitably fail.

60 posted on 08/16/2013 11:18:20 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have socialism or you can have America. You can't have both. Pick one.)
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