Skip to comments.Here's what Muslims are taught about dealing with non-Muslims
Posted on 04/22/2013 11:26:33 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
Thanks to the editors at http://www.answeringmuslims.com/ here are some of the commands from Allah to Muslims on how they must treat non-Muslims.
Quran 3:32Say: Obey Allah and the Apostle; but if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love the unbelievers.
Quran 5:51O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
Quran 9:29Fight those who believe not in Allah...
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Pretty soon we non-Muslims will take care of that discrepancy.
And compared with the Bible: http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/JESUS.Vs.Muhammad.html
Sounds like the God of the Jews and Christians is not the same God as Allah inspite of what all the politically correct enemies within say.
allah, the fabrication of a mad, pig-o-phobe, pedophile, if anything, is the devil with another name.
Muslims use the multiple versions of the bible and the argument that it was compiled by human committees to bolster their claim that Judaism and Christianity have been ‘corrupted’. Young Muslims are taught this first at a very young age.
Anyone attempting to convert a Muslim will find this point and their revulsion to the idea of God having a Son as the most difficult to overcome.
As one who has also evidenced unbelief in the Bible and scorn of the God of it, your input is not surprising. However, as regards the efficacy of objections to Bible versions, what negates their argument is that absolutely none of the Biblical mss, including those which antedate the Qur'an, concur with the Islamic contradictions of it.
In addition, the theory that the Bible was changed, so as to make Jesus the Son of God who died for our sins and rose again, would not simply require a few changes but almost a complete rewritting of the NT and substantial changes to the old.
Moreover, if the Catholic church was responsible for these then it was very neglectful when and if it had such power to make even small and easy changes that would give clear support for many of its teachings (calling elders "priests," praying to the departed, etc.)
This is what I know about islam: convert or die.
It has always been that way as it is today.
The same objections raised even by Jews.
Look up Blasater1960’s posts.
I did not going to read all posts through, and though i see he was countered, yet i did not see the argument that the texts where changed, while Islam also believes the Torah was changed, and somewhat affirms the Injil, though there is wide spectrum of variance in the attitude towards the Bible among Muslims.
I didn’t see much of a counter to his posts; his challenges were pretty open and specific, and replies to them largely vague and conjecture-based.
That said, the Islamic opinion is derived from specific verses in the Quran, and that significantly narrows the spectrum of opinion amongst observant Muslims.
Regardless, the Qur'an depends upon the Scriptures, while Islam claims it was radically altered, yet it cannot produce the mss evidence needed to support its premise. In addition to problems with Qur'anic mss.
You and I would think that, but Muslims don’t. Part of the reason why they are so stubborn is because of the initial, early brainwashing.
They are not going to use any scripture they have deemed corrupt per the Quran to judge the Quran.
It’s circular reasoning, like most things religious.
The point is that having different Bible translations does not support the Islamic position that the Bible was changed to make Jesus the Son of God who died for us and rose again, nor as the same objections raised by Jews, while they also oppose your scorn of the God of the Bible.
They don’t complain about different translations, they point out that different Bible versions have chapter omissions, additions, rearrangements and so on. The Muslims I’ve spoken to say that their belief is that the Quran is immune from this because their god ensures its protection.
And you invoke both for support in your own skewed view of the Bible and scorn for its God.
“And the same day Pilate and Herod were made friends together: for before they were at enmity between themselves. “ (Luke 23:12)
That’s immaterial to the discussion.
Just reading Blasater1960’s challenges vividly showed me how many holes and unfulfilled prophecies exist in the whole arrangement. To that end, both Blasater1960’s and your spurious reasoning lend support to my views that the whole thing is man-made. Is this clear enough?
You were merely distracting from the discussion but I’m indulging you here just in case you really were sincere (although I doubt that).
So you are thinking of converting to Judaism or simply looking to justify your atheism? From what i have seen of the perverse reasoning behind the rants against God which atheists seem to be compelled to engage in based, upon the superior wisdom and omniscience of atheistic "brites," they are an argument against Godlessness.
You yourself (on this "pro-God" forum no less) can disparage prayer as "redundant nothingness ," and in your self righteousness indignation disallow any just reason for the Divine commands to annihilate Amalek and the like, and turn saving women as wives into having sex slaves, etc., and otherwise attack religion, but i see it as being part of the same antiChrist choir driven by a common need.
Care to share one or two?
Link provided upthread.
Hyperventilation when a logical reply would have sufficed. Typical.
It was a joy reading Blasater1960’s (and others) counters and challenges on that thread. I’m so sorry they upset you so much.
When you’ve recovered, perhaps you can get back to the article instead of drawing pathetic baiting tangents.
Daniel did give a logical reply nor was he baiting, but there’s nothing quite like hyperbole when trying to discredit an opponent by accusing them of all manner of unsubstantiated claims.
Atheists do not believe because they do not want to believe. And they also use classic liberal debate techniques, which serve only to try to discredit the messenger and not address the message.
The apostle Paul, one of them himself states thus....
1 Corinthians 1:18-31 18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart. 20 Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. 22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; 28 God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, 29 so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. 30 And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, 31 so that, as it is written, Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.
Of those who fancy themselves intellectual elites and sneer at those who have faith, the cross is folly to them. I'm sure you know the type.
No, there is nothing moral about child slaughter, even though the children may be of Amalek. They were still infants and babies. Neither was there any in using captured women and children and forcibly “marrying” them, which is nothing less than rape. How enlightening it would have been for a person such as yourself to be forced into their shoes and perhaps view the situation from that angle.
Any more distractions? We were talking about the brainwashing of Muslims, originally.
Typical. You have resorted to that line before. Time for a new one.
It was a joy reading Blasater1960s (and others) counters and challenges on that thread. Im so sorry they upset you so much.
It seems you are the one who gets upset when you see something that in some way positively supports a religion, and will even resort to advocating the arguments of one against another when you reject both. And why have you done attacked faith for years on a pro-God forum?
When youve recovered, perhaps you can get back to the article instead of drawing pathetic baiting tangents.
It is you who engage in baiting Christians, and invoke Jewish or Muslim views against Christianity when in reality it is your practice to denigrate all religion. You think i did not see thru this? Do you want to be exposed more?
He’s not fooling anyone, except perhaps, himself.
Of course valid arguments countering a religion can come from any source, including and especially from those antagonistic to it (in this case, the Jews).
I’m surprised you didn’t even realise this to be the case.
When a religion propounds itself as the truth, and thereby tries to knock others down, an objective, unbiased evaluator would be obliged to hear the counter views to see if they have any gravitas. And boy, does Blasater1960’s arguments against the failures of alleged prophecy have weight. He was tearing up the place with his challenges. Where he fails though is in the larger theological implications, but that’s immaterial in that specific scope where the claims of Christianity were being evaluated against the basics of Judaism, not Atheism.
Well how absolutely objective and superior of you to exclude even as a possibility that the author of life could not have known what was best for infants and babies, taking them to Himself and stopping them from ending up like their terminally degenerate tribe, and providing husbands and children on the victorious side for women, which executing the rest of the guilty. And seeing as all have sinned, God would be just in executing all.
But here is the paradox. Atheists will blame God for allowing evil men to exist, then condemn Him when He wipes them out, yet He is the author of moral reasoning that judges evil as evil, and preserved the very record of His actions against evil, and the effects it has on all, upon which the atheists engage in their presumptuous elitist moral indignation. Yet under the objectively baseless moral reasoning atheism allows, all sort of evil can be sanctioned as beneficial. As they want to be as God.
Any more distractions? We were talking about the brainwashing of Muslims, originally.
In which you invoked Muslim arguments against the Bible, and then Jewish arguments against Christianity, as you war against both. So why should i not deal with this as with pretense?
Why don’t you share the one or you that you find most compelling?
I think I’ve said it quite clearly before that everything is game in the evaluation of truth, including invoking arguments from those antagonistic to the proponents of the claims being challenged.
You see this as a baiting game, I see this as a wholistic approach to measuring the truth of a claim. If the Jews can visibly demonstrate the failures from unfulfilled prophecy that the Christians claim, this becomes an argument against Christianity. Why should such an approach not be entertained? Your approach is illogical because you think it’s wrong to do this. Sheer nonsense.
Read Blasater1960’s replies in the link provided earlier. Especially the latter ones. No serious claimant can disregard them without a proper response, if they also want to claim to be intellectually honest.
All of them were compelling. I could choose one but unfortunately something is wrong with FR today and the pages aren’t loading all comments. If you can get the thread to load fully, find the comment where he talks about unfulfilled prophecies. That’s a good one for starters.
I can’t get it to load either.
Surely since you are so moved by these unfulfilled prophecies you can remember just one and not force us to go back and forth between threads.
So an entity creates a life, then asks another life to destroy it because it foresees the destruction that the former life can bring. Why create that life in the first place, then? A god cannot regret, while yours does. I am not going to delve into this much, here. We discussed this plenty in the other thread.
The original thread speaks about Muslims and my comment was about why they will always be enmical toward Christians and Jews. There can be no peace with Muslims if they (the Muslims) are true to their barbaric faith.
He listed a whole collection of unfulfilled prophecies. I can’t remember them off my head but he was careful in being specific. My approximation will not do justice to the holistic (wholesomeness, not holy) quality of his arguments. I’m not bothered as much as I am glad to find such a high quality of argument, from an opponent, no less, but directed at another opponent.
However, at least we know this is not really about Islam anymore, but you are not going to succeed by sending us off to a Jewish apologist as the real issue is your atheistic agenda that rejects all religion, and the judgment it affects. If you think this guy is hot stuff then why did you not denigrate the God of the OT and debate him???
That is your problem; if you cannot allow for a a higher purpose, and that God can both be omniscient and yet be grieved or pleased when will is exercised according to what was foreseen. That God cannot, based upon them manner He expresses it, is a limitation of the infinite on your (superior) part.
Note however, that the destroying another life was not simply because it foresees the destruction that the former life can bring, as you limit it, but was first based on what they had and were impenitently doing.
I am not going to delve into this much, here. We discussed this plenty in the other thread.
Their god is dead and can't do diddly squat. They would cut off the head of someone who came out with a different version.
Try speaking with an ex-muslim to get the truth or you can continue with their mindset of their belief. Your choice - it's your eternity, not ours.
BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL, They? no, SHE WILL CALL him Immanuel. Not so inspired eh?
God's Word IS inspired - it is blaster who is not.
A mother names her son 'Immanuel' - so what does she and everyone else (THEY) call him? 'Immanuel'
Also, when two are married they are considered 'one'. So we hear in our personal life, what did they name or call him? Or what did she name him? And that is what the parents/family/friends - THEY - call him. So whether it is 'THEY' or 'SHE' and "call' or 'name' - 'shall or will' it is all the same.
Blaster obviously didn't read or understand this .... "He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant--not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life." @ Cor 3:6
Your mentor, blaster, is hung up on a word - when it's the Spirit that gives Life to His Word. It is God who makes us competent, not ourselves. So blaster or you trying to be competent here - without God's Spirit - is just not going to happen.
Not so inspired eh?
Wrong. It's more like the blaster what God's Word calls him - a 'natural' man, 'a person without the Spirit'. It appears he overlooked 1 Cor 2:14 OR did read it and is hell bent in proving it is not true - when he, himself, proves it is true by reading his words Not so inspired eh?.
"The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned ONLY THROUGH THE SPIRIT." 1 Cor 2:14
Question is why are you, blaster and others trying to convince those who are spirit filled Christians - the very ones who DO understand God's Holy Spirit inspired Word - that HIS Word is not true and/or not inspired? Perhaps digging deep will reveal to you what your beef really is. For it is your beef, not ours.
God is no respector of persons - so you were given the same choice to have what WE have but you chose differently. So don't say we don't have what you have chosen NOT to have. It's not rocket science as neither is 'name' and 'call', 'they', 'she' 'shall' 'will' is. For even a 'natural' man can 'get' that.
I'm not disputing your choice to be an atheist - so who is the angry one here? When someone is telling you the Truth, you can dispute it all you want - remember, it is for YOUR sake that they do it, not their's. All we do is 'tell' someone, it is YOU who 'chooses' your own destiny.
I'll leave with this - God gave everyone a knowledge that there is a God. It is up to you to seek and find that inner knowledge given to you. May you realize that you looked in all the wrong places.
The god JCB is sleepy but OUR GOD never slumbers nor sleeps. Seems he serves a lazy god.
"Behold, HE that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep." Psalm 121:4
So that’s what happened to Kosta, he was banned.
“Where is my faith? even deep down, right in, there is nothing but emptiness & darkness. My God how painful is this unknown pain. It pains without ceasing. I have no faith. I dare not utter the words & thoughts that crowd in my heart - and make me suffer untold agony. So many unanswered questions live within me I am afraid to uncover them because of the blasphemy If there be God, - please forgive me.”
- Mother Teresa
So much for an “indwelling spirit”, when even a person like her has doubts.
All you’ve done is convinced yourself that what you chose to believe is true, but there really is no certainty of it. Couple that with the problem your god has when it regrets certain actions, philosophical problems arise about the very violation of the concept of a god being incapable of regret (infallibility). Add to that its violent streak in causing the creation of the Amalekite infants, and then asking a man (Saul) to crush them to death, you really cannot boast so much confidence unless you are deliberately choosing to be brainwashed.
I’ll respond if you have anything new to add to the discussion. If it’s the same old rehashed, immature threats, cross-talk implied threats and intimidation under a veil of false communication (like in your last comment above), you’ll be ignored. I smell such stupidity from miles away, so don’t waste your time again.
Yes, after much longsuffering of his tirades against the Bible and attacks on the God of it.
Why do you assume MT had the HS spirit within? Because catholic raise up man because of their 'good deeds'? That is wrong teaching and look what it got her.
when even a person like her has doubts.
You say she has doubts?? nothing but emptiness & darkness. My God how painful is this unknown pain. It pains without ceasing. I have no faith. I dare not utter the words & thoughts that crowd in my heart - and make me suffer untold agony.
I say she is in misery! A product of catholicism/man made teachings. It's horrible what 'man/evil' do with their empty teachings but that is the intent of evil. 'The thief came to kill, rob and destroy'. I have no doubt this woman thought she was serving God but she wasn't. She was deceived big time as all are deceived by man made teachings; yet, they rebel when shown the Truth. Which, of course, is pleasing to satan/evil.
All youve done is convinced yourself that what you chose to believe is true, but there really is no certainty of it.
You are VERY wrong. And you started out wrong, comparing me to someone who lived their life doing deeds thinking they are pleasing God when they refuse HIS WORD as the Final authority in their life. Why doesn't that ring a bell to catholics, mormons or anyone who follows man made teachings, I'll never know. I left the CC after one phone call from a previous classmate (catholic) from years ago telling me what God's Word says vs. the things we catholics were taught. And, then, I renewed my mind to God's Word and that's when my certainty started.
Couple that with the problem your god has when it regrets certain actions
You have no knowledge of my GOD so you are on the bottom of the ladder to even bring up GOD. You are an atheist, so you are your own god and WILL have regrets. Did you speak a world into existence, yet, mortal man?
then asking a man (Saul) to crush them to death, you really cannot boast so much confidence unless you are deliberately choosing to be brainwashed.
Check the quote from MT, that's what the result of brainwashing looks like! Anguish!
The Holy Spirit lives within me and I have an full assurance of my destiny. If that grates you - I can't help you, only JESUS can. As no one goes to the Father except through Jesus JESUS is The Way, The Truth, The LIFE.
And with the Holy Spirit within, I have 'HIS unspeakable Joy' to draw on. You will never hear me cry out like MT has. I PRAISE JESUS all the time and it doesn't matter the circumstance that comes my way because GOD never changes but circumstances do. JESUS is The ROCK of my salvation!
"Though you have not seen Him, you love Him; and even though you do not see Him now, you believe in Him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls." 1 Peter 1:8
Ill respond if you have anything new to add to the discussion. .
You are the one with the the same old rehashed, immature threats, cross-talk implied threats and intimidation under a veil of false communication
I smell such stupidity from miles away, .
It is your stupidity you smell as it goes on for miles. 'Only the fool says there is no God'!
youll be ignored
You can ignore me till you take your last breathe, it doesn't bother me as it is not about me. It is ALL about JESUS! He died for you, I didn't. And JESUS is The Word.
1 Samuel 15:2 is a reference to the time Amalek fought Israel as stated in Exodus 17:8-14. Moses made reference to this again in Deut 25:17-19, that when Israel had rest, they were to utterly destroy Amalek so that group would be eliminated. It was now hundreds of years later but The Lord is making good on His instructions. Gods timing isnt always ours, but IT IS certain.
This may look harsh to us today, but it was well deserved and a long time coming. It had been hundreds of years since the Amalekites had transgressed and; thus, brought Gods punishment (Deuteronomy 25:17-19), and HE had graciously given them generations of mercy.
Back then sins could not be purged, only covered, and with Amalek being totally given over to idolatry, they were so wicked that they were like a cancer that threatened Israel and cancer grows. So it was like amputating a diseased limb in the effort to preserve the life of the individual. This was harsh on the Amalekites but well deserved, and an act of mercy on the human race as a whole.
And, FYI, this was a fulfillment of a prophecy that Balaam spoke of in Numbers 24:20.
So save your rant about the Amalekites, God showed them His mercy for generations. God is GOOD all the time and man is evil. Have your beef with man but NEVER God. God protects His Own.
I remember his tirades against God’s Word, although forgotten about him until I saw your post saying he was banned. Then realized I hadn’t seen his ugly posts in awhile and where catholics sided with him.
Babies. Infants. Did not yet commit any crime. Why does a god create them, then regret their creation, and then kill them using proxies, before they did anything? Sign of a false god.
Your other comment was too stupid to even consider a response. Ranging from blind anti-Catholicism to incoherence, up to evident lack of reading comprehension skills. Learn to answer specifically.
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