Somebody Please Tell Stubborn Fool Obama How Filthy and Toxic Electric Cars Really Are

Reaganite Republican ^ | 20 March 2013 | Reaganite Republican

[Reaganite Republican]

When you buy a car, there are various ratings outfits in the business of calculating the true cost of owning that particular vehicle, inc. insurance, depreciation, maintenance, cost of repairs, etc. Such a comprehensive model is surely more realistic than just looking at the monthly payment or sticker price, and the customer knows if they're actually making a cost-effective, bottom-line decision.

But even if you buy-into the now imploding globaloney scam, wouldn't it make sense to apply similar logic to calculate the entire environmental impact of electric vs. internal combustion cars over the full service life... esp since the actual power for the electric car is not produced on-board the vehicle, and materials used in manufacture are quite different than a gas or diesel-engined car? Considering that the US taxpayer is being forced to pay for their development and hefty purchase incentives, you'd have thought somebody on Capitol Hill might have brought it up for discussion, no?

Typical green zealot Michael Bloomberg -who's mandated that iconic NY taxicabs be replaced by a hideous Nissan minivan with hard-points for a future change-over to electric propulsion- would be the case in point: I'm sure all the nice folks over in NJ will be thrilled to hear that Manhattan's smog problems will eventually be outsourced to their coal-fired powerplants along with mountains of poisonous used batteries close behind, on the way to NJ scrapyards.

Of course Obama's no better, as he's flushed million$ of tax dolllars down the toilet attempting to prop-up the unloved and ill-conceived Chevy Volt and it's bankrupt, Korean battery producer. But what is the actual damage done by all the toxic chemicals involved in electric car production/scrapping, and how much carbon do coal plants generate trying to power these things?  (data WSJ):

• A 2012 comprehensive life-cycle analysis betrayed the fact that nearly 50% lifetime carbon-dioxide emissions from an electric car come from the energy used to produce the car, especially the battery. The mining of lithium, for instance, is a less than green activity...

• By the time that an electric car rolls off the production line, it has already been responsible for 30,000 pounds of carbon-dioxide emission: in contrast, the manufacture of a gas-powered car accounts for < half of that (14,000 lbs).

• For every mile driven, the average electric car indirectly emits about 6 oz of CO2. While this is better than a similar-size conventional car (12 oz/mile), keep in mind that just the production of the electric car has already resulted in 15 TONS of carbon emissions —the equivalent of
  80,000 miles of travel in the vehicle (!) 

• Thus, if a typical electric car is driven 50,000 miles over its lifetime, the substantial initial emissions from its manufacture means the car will actually have put more carbon-dioxide in the atmosphere than a similar-size gasoline-powered car driven the same number of miles. 

• Similarly, if the energy used to recharge the electric car comes mostly from coal-fired power plants, it will be responsible for the emission of almost 15 ounces of carbon-dioxide for every one of the 50,000 miles it is driven —3 oz more than a similar gas-powered car. 

• Even if the electric car is driven for 90,000 miles and the owner stays away from coal-powered electricity, the car will cause just 24% less carbon-dioxide emission than its gas-powered cousin. This is a far cry from '“zero' emissions!

• Over its entire lifetime, the electric car will be responsible for 8.7 tons of carbon dioxide less than the average conventional car, That might sound like a lot, but but it’s not: the current best estimate of the global warming damage of an extra ton of carbon-dioxide is about five bucks. This means an optimistic assessment of the avoided carbon-dioxide associated with an electric car will allow the owner to avoid cca $44 in climate damage.
  (in the EU, credit for 8.7 tons of carbon-dioxide costs $48).

• Alas, the U.S. federal government essentially subsidizes electric-car buyers with up to $7,500. In addition, more than $5.5 billion in federal grants and loans go directly to battery and electric-car manufacturers...

Government GET OUT of the automobile business, and let American car companies get back to serving the market! Nobody wants a plug-in p.o.s. but hard-core Obammunists anyway, and then only if you give them a big honkin' rebate...

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Doug Ross   h/t Speedunque

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[Vaquero]

I would tell Obama how filthy and toxic those cars are...

....but I’m too busy sweeping up the mercury dust from my broken compact fluorescent bubs...

[Joe Boucher]

Come on man,
obammy don’t care about pollution.
he’s feeding his cronies hundreds of millions of our money, and theykick back a portion for himself.
Sort of like a jesse jackson shakedown.

[Reaganite Republican]

“I would tell Obama how filthy and toxic those cars are...

....but I’m too busy sweeping up the mercury dust from my broken compact fluorescent bubs...”
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lolol

[Reaganite Republican]

“Come on man, obammy don’t care about pollution.
he’s feeding his cronies hundreds of millions of our money, and theykick back a portion for himself.
Sort of like a jesse jackson shakedown.”
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Yeah, I KNOW -sigh- just trying to wake up another 5-10% of voters out there I guess...

[lonestar]

Yep, electric cars are just the vehicle to deliver millions of $ to his friends...who contribute to him.

[Sir Napsalot]

>>> Somebody Please Tell Stubborn Fool Obama How Filthy and Toxic Electric Cars Really Are

Sorry, this won't work.

You see, for Greenies, it is never about how green whatever they support is. It is always how green it makes them feel.

There is no way you can present the fact (re: toxic) to change their zealous beliefs.

[Reaganite Republican]

We just need to wise up another 10% of this country to start swaying elections the other way... this issue is a pretty blatant black eye for the administration to any thinking person

Now all we have to do is find some thinking persons not already voting against the left... hmmm

[Reaganite Republican]

Yep, electric cars are just the vehicle to deliver millions of $ to his friends...who contribute to him.

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The lack of scientific credibility behind these initiatives ought to be drilled into the voter’s heads until they realize that that’s ALL it is, a scam...

You are right of course, and it’s same as back in Ill., Blago took bribes for the contractors on ‘green’ projects such as bike paths and such while trumpeting his enviromental ‘sensitivity’ lol

[logic101.net]

It sounds like you just have a chip on your shoulder against the coal burners. You probably have stock in Exon.

[Yekaterina Derevko]

CFL Bulbs should be outlawed.

[rktman]

I prefer the wind powered kind myself. You just have to be going downhill all the time. (Kind of like when we had to WALK to school uphill both ways through 5 foot snowdrifts and our cell phones were OJ cans and string.)

[bitterohiogunclinger]

Green is just another “feel good” cover for raping the consumer. Just ask Barry “energy costs will necessarily skyrocket” Obama.
There are two fallacies involved in making comparisons of relative “evilness” of gasoline vs. electric vehicles.
The first is that “carbon dioxide” is a pollutant.
The second is making the assumption that coal produced electricity will be allowed to continue. The enviro weenies at the EPA are already hammering out more tons of regulations to shut them down or make them so expensive to operate that the utility owners are forced to pull them offline. There needs to be a complete gutting of all federal regulatory agencies. No rule or regulation should be allowed without implicit approval of congress.

[USAF80]

LEDs are the way to go. They don’t explode like flouroscents or regular light bulbs and last 50K hours.

[Little Ray]

Carbon dioxide is plant food. What’s the problem?

[quintr]

green power electric cars

[IMR 4350]

I wanna watch Zippo show everyone how to test the batteries with his tongue.

[lonestar]

My elem school was over the hill and on top of another hill...and I walked or rode a bicycle. The school smelled like paste and crayons.

Glad I'm as old as I am!

[spokeshave]

But every electric car comes with a windmill, solar panel and a pink unicorn. (to tow the car back to base)