Should successful people in Illinois "go Galt"?

Awaken America ^ | Nov 7, 2012 | Bruce Donnelly

[KeyLargo]

Should successful people in Illinois "go Galt"?

Posted by Bruce Donnelly on November 7, 2012 at 11:30pm View Blog

Successful people in Illinois lost the election yesterday. The future looks pretty bleak, not just because several good Republican candidates lost their races, but because virtually unchecked Democratic power was reinforced in Springfield.

A few local wins are small consolation for the continued rise of radical progressives in Washington and Springfield. They now have virtually unchecked power to keep ruining us all economically.

The Republican Party in Illinois has failed miserably - again - and it will cost us all dearly. The Democrats now have a veto-proof majority in both the Illinois House and Senate, as well as the Governor's mansion. Even if Republicans make a few gains in 2014, that won't change the situation. Illinois is effectively a one-party socialist state now. The Republican Party seems to lack any viable plan to become relevant again.

I don't generally like Ayn Rand's philosophy, as detailed in Atlas Shrugged, but it may finally be time for rational leaders to "go Galt" in Illinois.

Let Obama push his “tax the rich” agenda, and let the Dems in Springfield do continued damage, too. Stop hiring. Stop fighting them. Invest elsewhere.

It may be time for a strike by capitalists, rather than unions.

If they want government to run and regulate and redistribute everything more "fairly", let them try to make it work. Stop trying to succeed in spite of them.

Focus on capital preservation and economic growth elsewhere, where business is welcomed, rather than the creation of taxable income and growth in Illinois.

Let the progressives who voted for this big government agenda feel the full adverse consequences of their decision.

[KeyLargo]

Yes. If you have a business make the necessary employee cuts to survive. Anyway, most likely many of those employees in Illinois voted for Obama.

THE WSJ'S SMALL-BUSINESS TEAM

Hiring shift: Some low-wage employers are moving toward hiring part-time workers instead of full-time ones to mitigate the health-care overhaul's requirement that large companies provide health insurance for full-time workers or pay a fee. WSJ.

[GeronL]

They won’t have to. pretty soon it will make no economic sense to hire or work

[Politically Correct]

Don’t “Go Galt”.....just go

Missouri and Indiana beckon.

[Mamzelle]

There are a thousand small ways to "Go Galt." We should discuss them here on FR.

Frankly, it's time to cultivate underground markets and to start figuring out ways to keep tax revenue out of the hands of the government.

[Cboldt]

Just go to a neigboring state.

[Thane_Banquo]

I live in the western Chicago suburbs, but I am currently in talks with an employer to take a job in Orlando, FL. No state income tax, half the property tax, balanced budgets, and concealed carry (NO FOID!).

It’s like heaven compared to the People’s Republic of Illinoi-istan.

Two years ago, two of my buddies from grad school up here moved to Texas. These are high earning and productive tax-paying chaps.

As more taxpayers like myself leave IL for places like FL, TX, and other points south, IL will continue to implode on itself at an exponentially increasing rate.

Pop the popcorn, sit back, and enjoy the fireworks.

[KeyLargo]

Imagining the Post-Industrial Economy
Posted by Sharon Astyk on November 10, 2011
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Here is the single biggest question to consider about the economic, energy and environmental unwinding we are facing – what will the economy look as we go? I get more questions about this than about anything else – what should people do for work, what should they do with savings, how should they begin to prepare themselves for a lower energy world. What I find, however, is that among both the prepared and the unprepared, there’s a whole lot of people kidding themselves. There are those who imagine that there is no economy outside the world of the stock market and formal jobs – that a crash in those things is the end of the world, which means to them either that it can’t happen or they should buy a bunker and some ammo. Others have imagined themselves “free’ of all economic structures larger than the neighborhood, cheerfully providing most of their needs or bartering and never again touching cash. Both ideas fall into the realm of fantasy.

Let us remind ourselves that the informal economy is, in fact, the larger part of the world’s total economy. When you add in the domestic and household economy of the world’s households, the subsistence economy, the barter economy, the volunteer economy, the “under the table” economy, the criminal economy and a few other smaller players, you get something that adds up to 3/4 of the world’s total economic activity. The formal economy – the territory of professional and paid work, of tax statements and GDP – is only 1/4 of the world’s total economic activity.

We know from peasant economist Teodor Shanin and others working in the field that when the formal economy fails people all over the world, they shift into the informal economy. This explains why, in the former Soviet Union, although conventional economic models showed that people “should” be starving to death, they weren’t. This is how people with functionally no income can still eat – although often not well.

The US has the smallest informal economy in the world as a percentage of economic activity, but is also one of the single largest informal economies in the world. Even here, as we all know, it is not at all uncommon to shift into the informal economy when cast out of the formal one – bartering with neighbors, doing under-the-table work, or returning to the domestic and household economy if someone else can provide economic means.

It stands to reason, then, that for many of us thrust out of the formal economy, or for those who cannot make ends meet in the formal economy, strengthening the informal economy is essential. We see this all over the world, in our own nation at present and historically. When times are hard, gardens flourish, criminalized enterprises spring up, black markets and barter get new life, people sell out of their homes and work intermittently.

http://scienceblogs.com/casaubonsbook/2011/11/10/what-does-a-largely-informal-e/

[txrefugee]

Good grief, what are successful people doing in Illinois??? They can’t be too smart if they can’t find Indiana, the state with a terrific Republican governor and sensible legislators.

[Marathoner]

I’ve been working in central IL for 20+ years. GOD willing next year I’ll be headed back home to my native Tennessee or neighboring mid-South state. Sick and tired of the Marxist crap up here.

[KeyLargo]

Many of the blacks when they retire on their public employee pensions in Illinois move out of Illinois to their roots in a southern state where all of the money in their pension checks mailed to them goes a lot farther with a lower cost of living in the non-union, low tax South.

[Chuzzlewit]

My concern for the remainder of my life is for states only, and in particular Red States only.

I”m currently stuck in California, due to family and a good job, but when I’m done working or I am laid off, my wife and I are gone.

[bigbob]

Just for those who may not follow IL politics - thanks mainly to gerrymandering, four Republican congressmen were defeated by traditional democrats: Biggert, Schilling, Walsh, and Dold, most of which were first-time Tea Party winners from 2010.

Re-districting was a major factor to be sure, but the Tea Party needs to get re-energized and develop a long-term plan for change. Joe Walsh is already talking about running for Governor, and it’s worth remembering that we had two very good Republican governors before Blago and the present idiot, Pat Quinn.

[knittnmom]

Move your successful business north to Wisconsin!

[Paladin2]

I could never understand the business case for Boeing moving to Chicago.

[TJ Jackson]

Would love to leave now, but waiting for the housing market to pick up a bit. Don’t want to take a complete bath on my house.

[abishai]

Whatever happened to the 12-10 electoral split movement? Downstate Illinois was to get 10 votes? And when should downstaters press for making their own state?

[Paladin2]

Boeing should’a moved to Oshkosh if they had to leave WA.

[alphadoggie]

ping for later read

[12Gauge687]

I wouldn’t say I’m wildly successful - just holding my own. But taking care of elderly parents (Dad’s 92 with dementia, Mom’s 82) 3 nights per week keeps me in the vicinity.

[urbanpovertylawcenter]

move to a red state, a real red state

I can sell you 35 acres off my farm for 105K and my builder pal will build a custom house for about $65 a sq foot if as he says “you don't go crazy with front doors and things.”

11 miles from wal mart, 100 miles from memphis airport and nashville airport.

country living at its best

[Noumenon]

Barter whenever and where ever you can.

[Southside_Chicago_Republican]

I’m unemployed and will be leaving the state as soon as I get the opportunity. For some time, I’ve been doing what I can to starve the beast: I do all the purchasing I can in Indiana. Chicago, the county, and the state have made that not only a choice but sometimes a necessity. The burdensome taxation has destoyed and discouraged a lot of small business and retail in my area, while such businesses thrive in Indiana. There are no gas stations in my neighborhood and none for several miles in Illinois. The first stop in Indiana — a mile away —is a gas station, and there is a steady stream of traffic from Illinois.

[OPS4]

Move to a Right to Work State and stock up on silver, and food for your family

[Chuzzlewit]

how wonderful... they get a pension.. I get nothing but having to still work... and also pay for their pension.

I am so angry...

Red States only, this country can go t h*ll, which should be directly.

[eyeamok]

The easiest way would be to move to Los Angeles, they just voted to give Illegal Aliens ID to open Bank Accounts and work as well as get needed city services like Welfare and EBT cards., as soon as this program is implemented I plan on Getting my New ID as Jose Smith, open a Bank account and Start paying Jose Smith instead of Paying Myself. And since Jose Smith will not have a SS# he will not be REQUIRED TO FILE OR PAY INCOME TAXES at any Level, especially since Jose Smith is SELF EMPLOYED. I can’t wait. By the way if a few hundred thousand Americam Citizens did this the program will end quickly. So now to my important question, When I do this and a Bank refuses to allow me to open an account, can I SUE THEM INTO OBLIVION for DISCRIMINATION???

[battletank]

Just DO IT! We made it official last year and became residents of Florida. It’s like a dream come true.

[I still care]

Please folks, come to FL and ESPECIALLY the I-4 corridor. Disney is becoming a haven for the leftist voter.

Broward then manufactures as many votes as they need to put Dems over the edge. They had people voting until past one in the am. As many votes as they need are arranged.

[vanilla swirl]

Come to Indiana!
Just got a supermajority in house and Senate, governor.
Right to work state.
What’s not to love?

[Thane_Banquo]

I actually lived in Orlando area for 14 years upon a time. My undergrad was at UCF (under-rated school BTW). My family is still down there, so it’s a much better situation for me from that perspective as well.

[Marathoner]

Indiana's good, but I gotta head home to TN at the 1st opportunity. The state went for Romney 59-39. Still a lot of America there.

If people could just imagine how frustating it is to live in a state where an urban craphole like Chicago overrides the rest of the state polically (I know folks in CA and NY know what it's like).

[massgopguy]

For the last 15 years I have given up Thanksgiving morning to coordinate the home deliveries to 300-450 people in public housing and Transitional motels in mine and surrounding cities. I really don’t feel motivated to do it anymore. Atlas is shrugging.

[Proud2BeRight]

Madiganistan was carved up just right by the Rats to undo the 2010 shellacking they got. Dold, however, backstabbed the Tea Party. I believe that is why he was defeated. When the Rats showed ads connecting him to the Tea Party, he countered with ads denying the Tea Party. The ads included his RINO leftist gun grabbing, pro-abortion, amnesty, works well with leftist Rat buddies. RINO Dold got what he deserved.

[Proud2BeRight]

“For the last 15 years I have given up Thanksgiving morning to coordinate the home deliveries to 300-450 people in public housing and Transitional motels in mine and surrounding cities. I really don’t feel motivated to do it anymore. Atlas is shrugging.”

I was thinking about some charities I have supported the same way this morning. Why should I use my resources to help people who are destroying the nation.

[MondoQueen]

I have already sold my house (for about half of what it was worth), banked the proceeds and moved in with my batchelor son whose business has tanked, so we’re helping each other. I am driving a 10 year old car, but I have a very good mechanic who is my son-in-law. We have an antenna for TV and my son has wi-fi for my computer. I don’t have a land-line phone, either. And I gave up eating out and junk food, and I’m trim and healthy. I’ve gone Galt!

[MNDude]

I’ve been hiring a lot of contractors through elance.com rather than hiring Minnesota employees.

I’m planning to do some layoffs when the new health insurance costs come in.

When I hire using Elance again, I’m going to make a point to hire those from red states.

[Mamzelle]

I am getting my usual requests for donations now in the mail. I'm cutting them down to size. I also feel the chill closing about my own heart. Those people in public housing just voted, probably several times apiece, to make you a poor man, so you can give away your time and what money you have left...to them?

Now I don't just passionately resent this administration. I passionately resent every person I meet who has voted for Obama.

[Mamzelle]

Thanks. That was a fantastic article! (Hey folks, back up to that thread and read about the Informal Economy.)

Start patronizing our "flea markets"--look for groceries you can store. Sweet potatoes, apples, winter squash.

We need a whole section on here--"Resisting the Obamaconomy"--

[libertarian27]

For the last 15 years I have given up Thanksgiving morning to coordinate the home deliveries to 300-450 people in public housing and Transitional motels in mine and surrounding cities.

Why? The government provides./sarc sort of
/the starve the beast mentality kicking in.
Stop providing what people expect you will do for them.

(ask not what you can do for you, ask what massgopguy can do for you)

[esoxmagnum]

Actually, as an Illinois resident for 3 generations, I don’t see MO or IN as long term alternatives.

As the blue states collapse, so do the red states.

We are currently viewing the US as hostile to us. We are white, considered wealthy by most, and our wealth is being confiscated not only at the state level, but the national level.

The next four years will turn the populace against people like me. America is a hostile environment, and we fear it is going to get worse.

We lost our business in Illinois last year to a union vote (just decided to fold it). Our last kid graduates college in a year. After that, or maybe before that, we will have to expatriate to enjoy the lifestyle that two generations worked for.

We are demonized in our country, and we are tired of being scapegoats. The left hates us because we are white and are successful, and lets face it, just as many people want to write of California or Illinois because there is a small blip of blue in the state, it’s still a majority. This is how we view the US. Texas is no great deal to us, they would hate us there as well because we would just be a “yankee with a u-haul”. Plus, I don’t want to fund every illegal alien to cross the Texas border. Texas loves those illegals too much for us.

We will retire soon, and many places have no cap gains taxes (which will be our primary source of income), but sadly the US is not one of those places. We have been taxed several times on the same income, but instead of a “hey thanks for your contribution” we are vilified by those we help.

As to why some people don’t leave places like this? Metropolitan areas are where some industries live. For some people, if you are in finance, marketing, etc, this is where you must reside to earn your nut, unless you are going to burden yourself with massive travel times and expenses.

Years ago it was fine to hop on a United small plan and fly a few hundred miles. Now the time sink with TSA and the cost makes it very hard to do. I used to know people who lived in IN and WI who flew into Chicago on private planes, but those days are gone. Daley destroyed that airport.

And driving into NY, San Fran, Chicago, or LA is a nightmare. You would have to dedicate half your day to it.

Make your nuts, store them offshore, then get out when things look like they are hostile. They are looking quite hostile at the moment.

[lgjhn23]

As part of our on-going economic strategy to “starve the beast”. We no longer do business in, or with, any of the blue states if at all possible. We will find suppliers and clients in the red states wherever and whenever possible. IF you are a successful blue state business owner, GTFO while you have the chance. This especially applies to gun manufacturers...you should move to an American red-state business climate. Socialism will not help your business. It will tax you to death.

[Brownie63]

1. Open a small operation elsewhere (outside Illinois).
2. Gradually transition your operations to the new site.
3. Close down the Illinois operation.

[Noumenon]

I could never understand the business case for Boeing moving to Chicago.

There isn't one. It's about relocatitng to the center of power and influence.

[mjp]

Stop hiring. Stop fighting them. Invest elsewhere.

In a free society there is a tendency in a free market toward the establishment of a uniform rate of profit on capital invested in all the different branches of industry.A rational capitalist with funds to invest should naturally prefer to male investments that earn a high rate of profit and withdraw funds from situations earning a low rate of return.

[castlegreyskull]

“Just go to a neigboring state.”

I am moving my family from CT in the next 1 year to 18 months. Unfortunately there really are no neighboring states. I will do my research. I am looking at Texas and Oklahoma, but no decisions are made. I am tired of this state using me as an ATM machine. 2 years ago CT took the emergency fund and used it to shore up the state workers pension. Then when Hurricane Irene hit, they immediately called FEMA and said they had no money in the emergency fund due to low revenue and etc. Home prices and income are down everywhere, but this state just raised its income taxes and nearly every town raised its real estate taxes. I have to ask what do I get for all these tax increases, I haven’t seen any budget cuts on the town level or state level.

I know there are taxes everywhere. At least maybe I can move to a place that has leadership that reflects my views.

[Cboldt]

-- I am moving my family from CT in the next 1 year to 18 months. Unfortunately there really are no neighboring states. --

Nope. But for the person in IL, depending on where they are, WI, IN, MO, and Iowa are nearby.

I'm in about the same boat you are as far as location goes (I'm in Maine), but don't have any plan to move. Doesn't mean I won't, just that I don't have a plan to. I have friends and family in Indiana.

[Politically Correct]

Understand completely.
Just know that you'll need to leave soon.
Defacto capital controls are already in place making moving your money out of the country problematic, though not yet impossible.
To avoid US taxes your also going to have to give up your US citizenship.
Bet you already know all this...";^)

[KeyLargo]

“Joe Walsh is already talking about running for Governor, and it’s worth remembering that we had two very good Republican governors before Blago and the present idiot, Pat Quinn.”

IL governors such as convicted Republican Jim Ryan?

Dream on.

Bill Daley already has the IL governorship sewed up.

Bill Daley Considers Illinois Gubernatorial Run

Bill Daley Considers Illinois Gubernatorial Run
By Matt Vasilogambros | Thursday, November 8, 2012 | 7:11 a.m. William Daley

Former White House Chief of Staff Bill Daley is considering a run for governor of Illinois, the Chicago Tribune reports.

“I’ve thought about it before and I don’t take it off the table,” Daley told Tribune on Wednesday. “I think right now, to be very frank with you, the last thing in the world anybody wants to hear about is a race that’s two years down the road.”

By Matt Vasilogambros | Thursday, November 8, 2012 | 7:11 a.m. William Daley

Former White House Chief of Staff Bill Daley is considering a run for governor of Illinois, the Chicago Tribune reports.

[KeyLargo]

“Move your successful business north to Wisconsin!”

The same state that went for Obama?

No thanks.

[nascarnation]

Head east to Indiana.

RTW passed in 2012.

New Republican governor - Mike Pence.

Republican supermajorities in both house and senate. (Dems can spend all the time they want in Illinois this year and it won’t make one bit of difference.)

[KeyLargo]

We have been watching a great TV series on homesteader families in Alaska and how they help one another out relying on the land up there.

Alaska: The Last Frontier
view
Discovery Channel

Alaska: The Last Frontier

date and time
11/07 - 11/22
Time

Series Title & Description

Nov 10, 9:00 am
(60 minutes)

Alaska: The Last Frontier
Before the Freeze
CC

Meet the Kilcher family, who live on a 600-acre homestead in Alaska. With another brutal winter approaching, and bears having killed two of the family’s cattle, they are forced to pin all of their hopes of surviving the winter on one last hunting trip.

Nov 10, 2:00 pm
(60 minutes)

Remind Me

Alaska: The Last Frontier (Season 2)
Range Riding
TV-14 (LV), CC

Atz begins his summer range riding season to protect Otto’s cattle herd. A bear menaces from the edge; a wolf invades the herd. Otto and family race the clock and the elements to gather in winter’s hay crop. Eivin and Eve’s cannibal hen strikes again.

Nov 10, 3:00 pm
(60 minutes)

Alaska: The Last Frontier (Season 2)
The River Wild
TV-PG (L), CC

The Kilchers rally and call in favors to tackle their largest project this season. They have 48 hours to build a long cattle fence and rebuild a cabin, or the treacherous river’s tide will trap their barge full of critical equipment for another month.

Nov 10, 4:00 pm
(60 minutes)

Alaska: The Last Frontier (Season 2)
Something’s Fishy
TV-14 (L), CC

Summer half over, the Kilchers head out fishing, but it’s not for fun...at least not entirely. They need 100s of pounds of fish to eat and barter with during winter. Each couple has their own time-proven technique for catching salmon, halibut and trout.

Nov 13, 6:00 pm
(60 minutes)

Remind Me

Alaska: The Last Frontier (Season 2)
Range Riding
TV-14 (LV), CC

Atz begins his summer range riding season to protect Otto’s cattle herd. A bear menaces from the edge; a wolf invades the herd. Otto and family race the clock and the elements to gather in winter’s hay crop. Eivin and Eve’s cannibal hen strikes again.

Nov 13, 7:00 pm
(60 minutes)

Remind Me

Alaska: The Last Frontier (Season 2)
The River Wild
TV-PG (L), CC

The Kilchers rally and call in favors to tackle their largest project this season. They have 48 hours to build a long cattle fence and rebuild a cabin, or the treacherous river’s tide will trap their barge full of critical equipment for another month.

Nov 13, 8:00 pm
(60 minutes)

Remind Me

Alaska: The Last Frontier (Season 2)
Something’s Fishy
TV-14 (L), CC

Summer half over, the Kilchers head out fishing, but it’s not for fun...at least not entirely. They need 100s of pounds of fish to eat and barter with during winter. Each couple has their own time-proven technique for catching salmon, halibut and trout.

Nov 13, 9:00 pm
(60 minutes)

Remind Me

Alaska: The Last Frontier (Season 2)
Legend of “Terrible Island”
TV-14 (L)

Atz Lee and Eivin travel 160 miles and brave the bears of “Terrible Island” to hunt deer. Otto refuses to admit defeat and will use all the blackpowder he has to remove a pesky stump blocking his progress. Eve helps Charlotte solve a swarming bee problem.

Nov 13, 11:00 pm
(60 minutes)

Remind Me

Alaska: The Last Frontier (Season 2)
Legend of “Terrible Island”
TV-14 (L)

Atz Lee and Eivin travel 160 miles and brave the bears of “Terrible Island” to hunt deer. Otto refuses to admit defeat and will use all the blackpowder he has to remove a pesky stump blocking his progress. Eve helps Charlotte solve a swarming bee problem.

Nov 14, 1:00 am
(60 minutes)

Remind Me

Alaska: The Last Frontier (Season 2)
Something’s Fishy
TV-14 (L), CC

Summer half over, the Kilchers head out fishing, but it’s not for fun...at least not entirely. They need 100s of pounds of fish to eat and barter with during winter. Each couple has their own time-proven technique for catching salmon, halibut and trout.

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=1.15451.26328.40892.x