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Lawyer for Trayvonís Parents Complain About Zimmerman Facebook Request
Black Entertainment Television ^ | September 17, 2012 | Jonathan P. Hicks

Posted on 09/17/2012 4:08:29 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The lawyer for Trayvon Martin’s parents harshly criticized efforts by George Zimmerman’s attorneys to obtain the school records and Facebook information for the deceased 17-year-old high school student, saying they were irrelevant to the case.

“Zimmerman’s lawyers are attempting to assassinate Trayvon Martin’s character,” said Benjamin Crump, in an interview with BET.com. “Whatever Trayvon had on his Facebook page or whatever was in his school records have nothing to do with why Zimmerman shot him.”

Crump said he is seeking to obtain Zimmerman’s medical records.

“The medical condition and medical history of George Zimmerman is far more relevant to the case,” Crump said. “He was the one who did the shooting.”

Zimmerman, who has been charged with second-degree murder in the killing of the teenager, contends that he acted in self-defense. Initially, Zimmerman invoked Florida's controversial Stand Your Ground law, which allows people to use deadly force if they feel threatened.

Trayvon' parents and their lawyer have contended that the teenager was racially profiled. Zimmerman's father is white and his mother is Peruvian.

The case sparked national attention, with even President Obama weighing in at one point.

Earlier this month, a new judge was assigned to the Trayvon Martin case by the Fifth District Court of Appeals in Daytona Beach, Florida, with Judge Debra Nelson replacing Seminole County Judge Kenneth Lester. Zimmerman’s lawyers had requested a change of judges, accusing Lester of being biased.

In recent weeks, the teenager’s parents have continued to appear at public events and on television to campaign against racial profiling and in promoting the foundation that bears the son’s name.

They have also appeared on the Dr. Phil show and, over the weekend, attended services at the Potter’s House, the Dallas mega-church whose pastor is Bishop T.D. Jakes.

Jakes said that there was no such thing as closure when parents lose a child. Sybrina Fulton, Trayvon’s mother, underscored that point.

"I know that this will never end for us because Trayvon is not going to come back,” Fulton said. “But what we do hope is that we can help somebody else's family out. And I just also want you to know that God is in control."


TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Conspiracy; Government
KEYWORDS: benjamincrump; blamethevictim; doublestandard; facebook; florida; floriduh; georgezimmerman; injusticedepartment; kangaroocourt; obama; playtheracecard; trayvon; trayvonmartin; trialbymedia; zimmerman
Mr. Zimmerman's mother is Hispanic and black, but I didn't expect BET to ruin their narrative with that little factoid. So Mr. Crump has never actually participated in a courtroom trial? How can a third party lawyer request anything, much less an accused's medical records? Am I missing something here?
1 posted on 09/17/2012 4:08:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

But if he was a druggie thug, yep that matters and should come out in court.


2 posted on 09/17/2012 4:11:29 PM PDT by Qwackertoo (Romney/Ryan 2012 The Future of Our Children and Their Children are at stake.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

““Zimmerman’s lawyers are attempting to assassinate Trayvon Martin’s character,” said Benjamin Crump, in an interview with BET”

So......in giving this interview to BET, what is it that you’re doing?


3 posted on 09/17/2012 4:13:02 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Islam is not a religion. Period.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They’re not irrelevant to the case. They may show what his attitude and mindset was prior to the incident.


4 posted on 09/17/2012 4:14:19 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Qwackertoo

Sorry, legally it is irrelevant.

The old putting the victim on trial routine seldom works, and often blows up in the defense’s face.

Especially if Z gets an “OJ jury”......


5 posted on 09/17/2012 4:17:00 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The drug dealer's parents are discovering that "character assassination" is a two-way street.

They can dish it out, but they can't take it.

6 posted on 09/17/2012 4:18:54 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

[ Am I missing something here? ]

Yes.. The Honkyification factor.. if he was merely Hispanic they would leave him alone.. (more or less)
Zimmerman is Honkeyfied to the Max..

Travons parents are so brain washed they bleed Tide..
They speak Bull Squeeze out of both sides of their mouths..
They want their fifteen minutes of Bling.. and a few bucks..
Parents of a HoodRAt that raised him to be a HoodRat..
They are poisonous and toxic..


7 posted on 09/17/2012 4:18:59 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

[ Am I missing something here? ]

Yes.. The Honkyification factor.. if he was merely Hispanic they would leave him alone.. (more or less)
Zimmerman is Honkeyfied to the Max..

Travons parents are so brain washed they bleed Tide..
They speak Bull Squeeze out of both sides of their mouths..
They want their fifteen minutes of Bling.. and a few bucks..
Parents of a HoodRAt that raised him to be a HoodRat..
They are poisonous and toxic..


8 posted on 09/17/2012 4:20:13 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
Sorry, legally it is irrelevant.

Sorry, I respectfully disagree that it is clear, in advance, that NO MATTER WHAT may be found, it is already clearly irrelevant.

If evidence of habitual drug use is found, that is likely admissible.

Evidence of boasting about provoking violent confrontations with others? Relevant.

Tastes in porn? Irrelevant.

See, a good lawyer has to look in all reasonable places for relevant evidence, not decide in advance -- without knowing what's to be found -- that, "Oh, no, I mustn't Put The Victim On Trial." (Whether it will STRATEGICALLY backfire is an entirely separate question from the legal admissibility. But I believe that the kinds of admissible evidence I posited above -- drug use and boasting about aggression -- would be both admissible and helpful to the defense.)

9 posted on 09/17/2012 4:23:20 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Mr. Martin’s MOTHER had not SENT HER SON to his FATHER’S GIRLFRIEND’s house to live (because she couldn’t deal with his drug dealing, suspensions from school, etc.) , TRAYVON would still be alive.


10 posted on 09/17/2012 4:25:03 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I hope Travon’s parents keep running their mouths. I’m sure none of this is escaping the notice of George’s lawyers.


11 posted on 09/17/2012 4:26:42 PM PDT by upchuck (If nobama is reelected and gets to choose more SCOTUS judges, this country is finished.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Free Mumia!!

Oops, wrong site.

12 posted on 09/17/2012 4:34:02 PM PDT by Jimmy4Toes (Is a sarcasm tag really necessary?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

their lawyer knows better. The rules of discovery are pretty clear. This is allowed.


13 posted on 09/17/2012 4:35:27 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: hosepipe

Travons parents are so brain washed they bleed Tide..
They want their fifteen minutes of Bling.. and a few bucks..

14 posted on 09/17/2012 4:38:39 PM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“Zimmerman’s lawyers are attempting to assassinate Trayvon Martin’s character,” said Benjamin Crump,

Like you have attempted to assassinate Zimmerman's character since this began.

“Whatever Trayvon had on his Facebook page or whatever was in his school records have nothing to do with why Zimmerman shot him.”

They have everything to do with why Trayvon attacked Zimmerman and why he had to shoot him to stop the attack.

15 posted on 09/17/2012 4:39:27 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: pogo101

It seems likely that there will be an attempt by the prosecutor to characterize Trayvon as an upstanding bright law abiding child whose life was taken away by over zealous cop wanna be. (BSBSCNNMSNBCABCBSBS has already written the script) The defense should be able to challenge those assertions about Trayvon at least in a cross- examination. To prohibit discovery at this time seems to me to be an overreach by some with a vendetta or something to hide. If there is nothing damaging to be discovered, then why all the protestation. At the time of the trial is the proper oppertunity to challenge relevance, not before the chance of relevant evidence is discovered.


16 posted on 09/17/2012 4:44:06 PM PDT by DaveyB (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. -John Adams)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

E. Pluribus Unum~ “ The drug dealer’s parents are discovering that “character assassination” is a two-way street. “

Exactly true !

And Zero’s involement, as well as the Dept. of “Just-Us” involvement , has elevated this case as being suject to political chicanery , and ‘second guessing’.


17 posted on 09/17/2012 4:51:29 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Disclaimer - the opinions above merely reflect the writers restricted ability to observe reality)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Martin’s Facebook postings include him comparing recipes for “drank” and “lean”. Don’t know what those are? Google it.

It will give new meaning to the meme that he was just going to the store to by Skittles and (watermelon) iced tea.


18 posted on 09/17/2012 4:57:33 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Any proof he was a drug dealer?

Beyond a presumption or your prejudice?


19 posted on 09/17/2012 4:58:12 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
Are you kidding me?

Do the drug dealer's supporters have any evidence for their accusations against Zimmerman, other than presumption and prejudice?

You fight Alinskyite Community Agitators with the same Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals they use on you.

It drives them crazy to have their own cynical tactics used against them.

Go back to your Community Agitator meeting where you belong.

20 posted on 09/17/2012 5:04:48 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

It’s discovery, not trial. The defense is entitled to it. The prosecution is trying to make the kid out to be a choir boy. If they try that at trial, the defense needs to be ready with rebuttal evidence. This will keep the prosecution honest at a minimum, and some of it may be admissible on its own, depending on what they find.


21 posted on 09/17/2012 5:06:08 PM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Allen West could not be reached for comment...

Oh, wait a moment, Yes, He Was...

22 posted on 09/17/2012 5:11:16 PM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If ‘Trevon’ is such an angel, they should WELCOME his Internet profile. Did I say if he was such an angel...


23 posted on 09/17/2012 5:14:05 PM PDT by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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To: UCANSEE2

If he hadn’t been suspended from school for drugs, he would still be alive.


24 posted on 09/17/2012 5:40:19 PM PDT by somerville
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To: UCANSEE2

If he hadn’t been suspended from school for drugs, he would still be alive.


25 posted on 09/17/2012 5:40:24 PM PDT by somerville
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To: hosepipe

“They want their fifteen minutes of Bling.. and a few bucks..”

The “media” whores will make sure they get all of it and more.


26 posted on 09/17/2012 6:01:50 PM PDT by jivin gene (Breakin' up is hard to do)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is the mistrial of the century.

On purpose, of course, to save the prosecuter’s butt. Which, BTW, should be in a jail cell for pursuing it in the first place.


27 posted on 09/17/2012 6:24:36 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Old Sarge

That was back on March 23 — I’m sure he would like to have most of those words back.


28 posted on 09/17/2012 6:30:11 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Emperor Palpatine; E. Pluribus Unum
There is certainly evidence of his dealing; gold front teeth, walking around school with empty baggies with marijuana traces, and there's his tweeter account, which I won't post because it's offensive. But it's available to anyone with a computer and an internet connection. Some of Trayvon's school problems are reported here.
29 posted on 09/17/2012 6:45:58 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

Oh my — It looks like loud mouthed Frances Robles from the Miami Herald just might get herself a subpoena for that story.


30 posted on 09/17/2012 7:02:46 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: somerville

If his ‘dad’ had just made sure there was FOOD IN THE HOUSE while he and his girlfriend went OUT TO DINNER, Trayvon would still be alive.


31 posted on 09/17/2012 7:56:21 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
So......in giving this interview to BET, what is it that you’re doing?

Profiting off the death of a black teenager.

32 posted on 09/17/2012 7:57:50 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Apparently, he made a Clintonesque retraction (”I’m sorry you’re offended”) some time ago - lost the link, someone sent it to me.


33 posted on 09/17/2012 8:00:28 PM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: Emperor Palpatine; E. Pluribus Unum
Any proof he was a drug dealer?

Well... isn't that why they want to review his FACEBOOK PAGE ?

34 posted on 09/17/2012 8:03:09 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Sorry, legally it is irrelevant.

The old putting the victim on trial routine seldom works, and often blows up in the defense’s face.

Especially if Z gets an “OJ jury”...


Actually...a lot of this information on Trayvon Martin is relevant for the trial...especially since the prosecution’s only case is to attack Zimmerman as a liar and as not credible. They cannot rely on the facts or evidence of the incident

It is also easier to get entered as evidence, past transgressions of the victim...it is much easier to get such info on the victim admitted than getting similar info admitted on the defendant. As a lawyer once told me: “There are Rape Shield Laws for a reason...and why we do not have Rapist Shield Laws”

The reason why the Martin family attorney is upset at this development is because he knows that this evidence will be used during the trial....both criminal and civil trials.


35 posted on 09/17/2012 8:14:14 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Blaming Terry Jones for the recent Muslim riots is like blaming the St Louis Rams for football)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Any proof he was a drug dealer?

Beyond a presumption or your prejudice?


In a criminal trial, the defense does not have to prove a thing. The prosecution has to prove that Zimmerman murdered Martin


36 posted on 09/17/2012 8:16:45 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Blaming Terry Jones for the recent Muslim riots is like blaming the St Louis Rams for football)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

[ Any proof he was a drug dealer? / Beyond a presumption or your prejudice? ]

OF Course Travon didn’t do anything illegal.. HE’S BLACK..
His homies at the Department of Justice have his back...
Glad you brought this up..

Travon didn’t do nothing, and you didn’t see him do it, either- Bart Simpson..
Even if he did it’s not admissible.. Eric Holder..

Note; A Kangaroo Court Is step up from a Cartoon Court.. Zimmerman is being tried in ToonTown.. He may get a look at Jessica Rabbit.. theres Weasels everywhere..


37 posted on 09/17/2012 9:59:50 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So it is “character assassination” to want to know about her son’s violent episode, drug, and theft past but it is okay to slur Zimmerman as a racist and to want to delve into HIS medical history.

Hmmmmm.


38 posted on 09/18/2012 3:22:45 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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