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Tricia Wittmann-Todd would deny youth an authentic understanding of joy
La Salette Journey ^ | April 16, 2012 | Paul Melanson

Posted on 04/16/2012 8:44:27 AM PDT by cleghornboy

In Galatians 5: 22-23, the Holy Spirit tells us through Saint Paul that, "the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control." Tricia Wittmann-Todd, Pastoral Life Coordinator at Saint Mary's Parish in the Central Area of Seattle, Washington, would deny the youth of her parish an authentic understanding of joy.

Ms. Wittmann-Todd, having succumbed to the erroneous idea that Catholic moral teaching would in some way harm the youth of her parish, has refused to circulate petitions in support of Referendum 74, the ballot measure to roll back Washington's recently passed same-sex "marriage" law. Her reasoning? Wittmann-Todd asserts that she is, "particularly concerned about our youth who may be questioning their own sexual identity and need our support at this time in their lives." See here.

Ms. Wittmann-Todd is so concerned about the youth of Saint Mary's Parish that she has decided to set an example for them on how to be disobedient to the Church's Pastors. She has also decided to deny these youth an authentic understanding as to what constitutes joy. The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches us that, "By the power of the Spirit, God's children can bear much fruit. He who has grafted us onto the true vine will make us bear 'the fruit of the Spirit:...love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.' 'We live by the Spirit'; the more we renounce ourselves, the more we 'walk by the Spirit.'.." (CCC, 736). And again: "The fruits of the Spirit are perfections that the Holy Spirit forms in us as the first fruits of eternal glory. The tradition of the Church lists twelve of them: 'Charity, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, generosity, gentleness, faithfulness, modesty, self-control, chastity.'" (CCC, 1832).

You see, we live in the Spirit when we renounce ourselves. We are not living in the spirit if we engage in sinful behaviors such as homosexual acts. Those who do live such a lifestyle will not have joy. The Lord Jesus promises heavenly joy to those who suffer the consequences of following Him [and this demands picking up our cross and following Him daily] and calls for its anticipation saying, "Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven" (Matthew 5: 12). Dr. Germain Grisez explains that, "St. Paul teaches that Christians always should call on God's help by constant prayer, rejoice in hope, be patient, and not be anxious (see Rom 12: 12; Phil 4: 4-6). Since Christian joy presupposes hope, Jesus' and Paul's injunctions to rejoice can be fulfilled only by nurturing hope. But hope grows in a kind of virtuous circle: joy amid suffering helps faithful Christians endure what they must, this endurance conforms their character to that of Jesus, and likeness to Jesus increases their confidence and further intensifies their hope (see Rom 5: 3-4; cf. Phil 3: 8-21)."

Dr. Grisez goes on to explain that the fear of Hell is essential for Christian hope (and remember, Christian joy presupposes hope). He reminds us that, "..if one becomes forgetful of the possibility of hell and loses all fear of it, heaven seems a sure thing, with the bad result that it no longer is possible to have Christian hope for it or live a life shaped by that hope. Christian hope is the intention of the kingdom as one's end, and some good can be intended as an end only if one's action is expected to help bring about that good. Thus, someone confident of sharing in the kingdom no matter what, simply cannot intend it as an end and live for it, although such a person still may think about heaven for solace when loved ones die and during other times of suffering. In consequence, someone who forgets the possibility of hell ignores the kingdom when deliberating and making choices. Unable any longer to order his or her life to the kingdom, that person becomes motivated by other interests and desires, and these alien ends, pursued independently of faith and hope, make their own incompatible demands. Thus, the life of a Christian forgetful of hell becomes indistinguishable from the life of a nonbeliever. Consequently, while properly Christian fear depends on hope, hope also depends on fear. And while hope for the kingdom always should dominate, fear of hell never should be entirely excluded. Thus, meditation on the last things, which appropriately begins from Sacred Scripture, should reflect the balanced approach of the New Testament, which focuses on heaven but never entirely loses sight of hell."

Christian joy presupposes hope. And the fear of Hell is essential for Christian hope. How quickly some forget this. We hear much nonsense today from those within the "homosexual community" about "the joys of gay sex." But there is no authentic joy apart from living in obedience to God's Commandments. Joy is a fruit of living in the Spirit, not of living in the flesh.

One would think Ms. Wittmann-Todd would want to impart this truth to the youth of St. Mary's Parish. But apparently she would rather sow confusion in this area. And we wonder why Our Lady weeps?


TOPICS: Local News; Miscellaneous; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: homosexuality; joy; wittmanntodd; youth

1 posted on 04/16/2012 8:44:43 AM PDT by cleghornboy
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To: cleghornboy; A.A. Cunningham

Interesting that someone has been to heaven and back to see Mary weep. If you believe that, I have a bridge...

But, more of the very harmonious, homogenous teaching provided by the Rcc. No wonder the vicar from the CoE swam the Tiber. He went out from us because he was never a part of us.


2 posted on 04/16/2012 8:50:55 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
I personally like the harmonious teaching that "faithfulness, modesty, self-control, chastity" are related to the joy we have in the Spirit.

Those are words to live by, Dutchboy88.

3 posted on 04/16/2012 9:15:13 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (The Holy Catholic Church: the more Holy it is, the more Catholic it is.)
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To: cleghornboy

Her hyphenated last name is the first clue as to the mindset of this woman. It’s all about her.

When heaven is a sure thing then sin becomes nothing.


4 posted on 04/16/2012 9:48:22 AM PDT by Jvette
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To: Jvette

Marcie Dahlgren-Frost. Dahlgren is my maiden name, Frost is my married name. I’m single again, but I never bothered to remove the Frost. And I get compliments on the hyphen.


5 posted on 04/16/2012 9:57:40 AM PDT by cleghornboy (La Salette Missionaries in crisis)
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To: cleghornboy
I've always like Pope Benedict's quote:

where joylessness reigns, where humor dies, the spirit of Jesus Christ is surely absent. But the reverse is also true: joy is a sign of Grace. One who is cheerful from the bottom of his heart, one who has suffered but not lost joy, cannot be far from the God of the evangelieum, whose first word on the threshold of the New Testament is "Rejoice!"

6 posted on 04/16/2012 10:01:14 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: Dutchboy88

Dutchboy, your ignorance of Catholic private revelation is showing. You wrote, “Interesting that someone has been to heaven and back to see Mary weep. If you believe that, I have a bridge..”

My reference was to the Church-approved apparition of La Salette, where Our Lady appeared to two children, Maximin Giraud and Melanie Calvat, and was seen weeping.

True, as with Fatima and other Church-approved private revelations, the faithful are not bound to accept their messages as they must accept Public Revelation (Sacred Scripture). But it would be foolhardy indeed to reject what the Church has approved and deemed “worthy of belief.”

But here’s the thing, and please don’t let this upset you, because that is not my intent, I just don’t care whether you accept the La Salette apparition or not. I do. So do countless other Catholics.

And you’ll just have to live with it.


7 posted on 04/16/2012 10:03:50 AM PDT by cleghornboy (La Salette Missionaries in crisis)
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To: ALPAPilot

That is....beautiful. So I will not ruin it with my own thoughts.

Thank you for sharing!

God love you ALPAPilot


8 posted on 04/16/2012 10:06:13 AM PDT by cleghornboy (La Salette Missionaries in crisis)
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To: cleghornboy

LOL, so much for preconceived notions.

Sorry, but I always associate the hyphenated name with a liberal, usually a feminazi type woman.

I stand corrected.


9 posted on 04/16/2012 10:06:18 AM PDT by Jvette
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To: Jvette

I thought I was agreeing with you Jvette...:)


10 posted on 04/16/2012 10:07:49 AM PDT by cleghornboy (La Salette Missionaries in crisis)
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To: cleghornboy

Perhaps I should explain. That quotation is from the film Uncle Buck. And yes, she came across as what Rush Limbaugh would label a “feminazi.”

:)


11 posted on 04/16/2012 10:10:32 AM PDT by cleghornboy (La Salette Missionaries in crisis)
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To: cleghornboy

Now I am thoroughly confused.

Thought you were telling me that not all hyphenated women are liberal.


12 posted on 04/16/2012 10:25:28 AM PDT by Jvette
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To: cleghornboy
"But here’s the thing, and please don’t let this upset you, because that is not my intent, I just don’t care whether you accept the La Salette apparition or not. I do. So do countless other Catholics."

And you’ll just have to live with it."

I'll try to cope. And, you will have to live with the fact that this hogwash...like Medjugorje. Go to heaven, go to Bosnia, go anywhere you like. Mary is not here anymore. You are seeing demonic imitations.

13 posted on 04/16/2012 10:29:47 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

Once again Dutchboy, what you refer to as “demonic” is a Church-approved private revelation/apparition. Since the authorities of the Church have found La Salette (and other apparition sites) worthy of belief, we Catholics really have no need of your approval nor do we seek it.

You are not the competent authority to judge the worthiness of an apparition site or a private revelation. Thus, I don’t care what you think. You’ll just have to live with it.


14 posted on 04/16/2012 1:50:01 PM PDT by cleghornboy (La Salette Missionaries in crisis)
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To: Jvette

Jvette, watch the film Uncle Buck and look for the character named Marcie Dahlgren-Frost. The scene is a hoot. So is the whole film for that matter.


15 posted on 04/16/2012 1:53:31 PM PDT by cleghornboy (La Salette Missionaries in crisis)
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To: cleghornboy

All the same claims have been trotted out with Medjugorje and several others. Even your gang eventually called that a fraud. Continue to cling to such dreams and illusions if you must. The believers in Christ, alone, will continue to look only unto Him. We don’t need superstitions or vain imaginings to recognize our rescue. And, I’ll be happy to live with that.


16 posted on 04/16/2012 1:55:40 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

Dutchboy, you will never convince me (or numerous other Catholics) to reject Our Lady’s messages. You’ve told us all how you reject the messages of La Salette and other marian apparitions. It’s time for you to move on.

You will not change my beliefs. You are not the competent authority. You’ll just have to live with it.


17 posted on 04/16/2012 3:23:20 PM PDT by cleghornboy (La Salette Missionaries in crisis)
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To: cleghornboy

I love that movie, though it’s been years since I’ve seen it and I don’t recall that scene. I will check it out though.


18 posted on 04/16/2012 4:09:45 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: cleghornboy
"Dutchboy, you will never convince me (or numerous other Catholics) to reject Our Lady’s messages. You’ve told us all how you reject the messages of La Salette and other marian apparitions. It’s time for you to move on.

You will not change my beliefs. You are not the competent authority. You’ll just have to live with it."

Methinks you protesteth too much. I have already said I can happily live with Christ alone, and calling baloney on all your witchcraft. What part of that don't you understand? The Scriptures are my competent authority for calling this and your organization claims to be the competent authority for saying that the holograms are real. I'm perfectly okay with that. Just recall this warning when the curtain falls.

19 posted on 04/16/2012 4:19:27 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

St. Louis de Montfort assures us that, “The learned and pious Jesuit, Suarez, the erudite and devout Justus Lipsius, doctor of Louvain, and many others have proved invincibly, from the sentiments of the Fathers [among others, St. Augustine, St. Ephrem, deacon of Edessa, St. Cyril of Jerusalem, St. Germanus of Constantinople, St. John Damascene, St. Anselm, St. Bernard, St. Bernardine, St. Thomas and St. Bonaventure], that devotion to our Blessed Lady is necessary to salvation, and . . . that it is an infallible mark of reprobation to have no esteem and love for the holy Virgin; while on the other hand, it is an infallible mark of predestination to be entirely and truly devoted to her.

[In his classic work entitled THE GLORIES OF MARY, the great Doctor of the Church, St. Alphonsus Liguori (1696-1787) states that ‘the intercession of Mary is even necessary to salvation; we say necessary-——not absolutely, but morally. This necessity proceeds from the will of God, that all graces He dispenses should pass by the hands of Mary, according to the opinion of St. Bernard, and which we may now with safety call the general opinion of theologians and learned men.’ (p. 129, TAN edition) St. Alphonsus quotes St. Bernardine of Siena’s words to the Blessed Virgin Mary: ‘O Lady, since thou art the dispenser of graces, and since the grace of salvation can only come through thy hands, our salvation depends on thee.’ (p. 144)]

The figures and words of the Old and New Testaments prove this. The sentiments and the examples of the Saints confirm it. Reason and experience teach and demonstrate it. Even the devil and his crew, constrained by the force of truth, have often been obliged to avow it in spite of themselves. Among all the passages of the holy Fathers and Doctors, of which I have made an ample collection in order to prove this truth, I shall for brevity’s sake quote but one: ‘To be devout to thee, O holy Virgin,’ says St. John Damascene, ‘is an arm of salvation which God gives to those whom He wishes to save.’

Your hostility toward Our Lady speaks for itself. You stand against Sacred Scripture and the Tradition of the Church. By insulting Our Lady you insult her Son, Our Lord Jesus.

I would strongly urge you to repent of this sin.


20 posted on 04/16/2012 6:23:43 PM PDT by cleghornboy (La Salette Missionaries in crisis)
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To: cleghornboy; Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; Gamecock; RnMomof7; HarleyD; fish hawk; Alex Murphy; ...
"Your hostility toward Our Lady speaks for itself. You stand against Sacred Scripture and the Tradition of the Church. By insulting Our Lady you insult her Son, Our Lord Jesus.

I would strongly urge you to repent of this sin."

You clearly have lost the ability to read my posts. I embrace, or shall I say have been embraced by, the Lord Jesus Christ. It is your cult which has dropped the flashlight and is wandering off into the dark.

Col. 2:18, "Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on VISIONS he has seen, inflated without cause by HIS FLESHLY MIND, and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God."

We will cling to the head, alone...you are welcome to continue to cling to visions you have seen with your "inflated fleshly mind." Remember this warning when the trump sounds.

21 posted on 04/17/2012 9:02:22 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

Worshipping and praying to anyone but God through Jesus is not Christianity. It’s a faith full of totems and relics and graven images and its not Christianity.

They can do and say whatever they want, believe whatever they want. They post a lot of articles proclaiming themselves as the only true Christian Church but I have yet to see as Catholic Church named after Jesus.


22 posted on 04/17/2012 9:33:14 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Dutchboy88

Have you ever had a Catholic explain to you what they do with Gal. 1:8? But though we, or an Angel from Heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Last time I read my “Gospels” I could find NOTHING of which this person is pushing. Yet, millions have chosen this anti Biblical road to travel down.


23 posted on 04/17/2012 12:52:08 PM PDT by fish hawk (Religion: Man's attempt to gain salvation or the approbation of God by his own works)
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To: fish hawk
"Last time I read my “Gospels” I could find NOTHING of which this person is pushing. Yet, millions have chosen this anti Biblical road to travel down."

Great point.

24 posted on 04/17/2012 4:18:47 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: GeronL

Why do Catholics pray to Mary and the saints when Sacred Scripture states that there is one Mediator between God and man – Christ Jesus? (1 Tim. 2:5).

When Catholics pray to Mary and the other saints in Heaven they are not bypassing Christ, whom they acknowledge as the sole Mediator between God and man. They are going to Christ through Mary and the other saints. They are asking Mary and other saints to intercede for them before the throne of Christ in Heaven. “For the continual prayer of a just man availeth much.” (James 5:16). How much more availing is the unceasing prayer of the sinless Mother of Our Lord Jesus Christ! St. Paul asked his fellow Christians to intercede for him: “Brethren, pray for us.” (2 Thess. 3:1). And again: “I beseech you therefore, brethren, through our Lord Jesus Christ, and by the charity of the Holy Ghost, that you help me in your prayers for me to God . . .” (Rom. 15:30). Christ must particularly approve of our going to Him through Mary, His Blessed Mother, because He chose to come to us through her. And at Cana, He performed His first miracle after a word from His Mother. (John 2:2-11).

It is clear in Sacred Scripture that the saints in Heaven will intercede for us before the throne of Christ if they are petitioned in prayer (Apoc. or Rev. 8:3-4), and it is clear in the records of primitive Christianity that the first Christians eagerly sought their intercession. Wrote St. John Chrysostom in the fourth century: “When thou perceivest that God is chastening thee, fly not to His enemies, but to His friends, the martyrs, the saints, and those who were pleasing to Him, and who have great power.” If the saints have such power with God, how much more His own Mother.


25 posted on 04/18/2012 7:21:33 PM PDT by cleghornboy (La Salette Missionaries in crisis)
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To: GeronL

Why do Catholics believe that their Church is the one true Church of Jesus Christ? Wouldn’t it be more reasonable to believe that Christ’s true Church is a spiritual union of all Christian denominations?

Catholics believe that theirs is the one true Church of Jesus Christ, firstly, because theirs is the only Christian Church that goes back in history to the time of Christ; secondly, because theirs is the only Christian Church which possesses the invincible unity, the intrinsic holiness, the continual universality and the indisputable apostolicity which Christ said would distinguish His true Church; and thirdly, because the Apostles and primitive Church Fathers, who certainly were members of Christ’s true Church, all professed membership in this same Catholic Church (See Apostles’ Creed and the Primitive Christian letters). Wrote Ignatius of Antioch, illustrious Church Father of the first century: “Where the Bishop is, there let the multitude of believers be; even as where Jesus is, there is the Catholic Church.” Our Lord said: “There shall be one fold and one shepherd”, yet it is well known that the various Christian denominations cannot agree on what Christ actually taught. Since Christ roundly condemned interdenominationalism (”And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.” Mark 3:25), Catholics cannot believe that He would ever sanction it in His Church.


26 posted on 04/18/2012 7:24:13 PM PDT by cleghornboy (La Salette Missionaries in crisis)
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To: cleghornboy

Mary and the “Saints” are simply dead people, they have no more power than YOU and I do.


27 posted on 04/18/2012 7:28:43 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

Wrong. Sacred Scripture (God’s Holy Word) says that Mary is “full of grace.” The angel Gabriel calls her “full of grace” and “blessed among women” in Luke 1: 28. You and I are not “full of grace,” Mary is. This was necessary since Mary would become the mother of the Christ child. God’s Holy Word calls Mary “full of grace” and “blessed among women” and yet you would oppose God’s Word and imply that Mary is “nothing special.” This sets you against God’s Word.

The Saints aren’t “simply dead people.” They stand before God’s throne and God’s Word, which you obviously have no respect for, says that they will judge the world along with Christ.

This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.


28 posted on 04/20/2012 3:43:16 AM PDT by cleghornboy (La Salette Missionaries in crisis)
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To: cleghornboy

When Catholics pray to Mary and the other saints in Heaven they are not bypassing Christ, whom they acknowledge as the sole Mediator between God and man. They are going to Christ through Mary and the other saints. They are asking Mary and other saints to intercede for them before the throne of Christ in Heaven. “For the continual prayer of a just man availeth much.” (James 5:16). How much more availing is the unceasing prayer of the sinless Mother of Our Lord Jesus Christ! St. Paul asked his fellow Christians to intercede for him: “Brethren, pray for us.” (2 Thess. 3:1). And again: “I beseech you therefore, brethren, through our Lord Jesus Christ, and by the charity of the Holy Ghost, that you help me in your prayers for me to God . . .” (Rom. 15:30). Christ must particularly approve of our going to Him through Mary, His Blessed Mother, because He chose to come to us through her. And at Cana, He performed His first miracle after a word from His Mother. (John 2:2-11).

It is clear in Sacred Scripture that the saints in Heaven will intercede for us before the throne of Christ if they are petitioned in prayer (Apoc. or Rev. 8:3-4), and it is clear in the records of primitive Christianity that the first Christians eagerly sought their intercession. Wrote St. John Chrysostom in the fourth century: “When thou perceivest that God is chastening thee, fly not to His enemies, but to His friends, the martyrs, the saints, and those who were pleasing to Him, and who have great power.” If the saints have such power with God, how much more His own Mother.


29 posted on 04/20/2012 3:46:11 AM PDT by cleghornboy (La Salette Missionaries in crisis)
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