Posted on 01/12/2012 8:58:28 PM PST by Kevmo
Stealing once again from Jed Rothwell
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex- href=”mailto:l@eskimo.com”>l@eskimo.com/msg58130.html
See p. 32. As you see this is Run II. There were several others. McKubre
remarked that he knows a highly qualified person who was present. I know
several, and I know of other independent tests. Some of them failed, like
the NASA test. Others succeeded.
As I have pointed out here before, if this machine was fake he would make
it appear to work every time, on demand, especially when he has important
visitors such as NASA. If he wanted to give it versimillitude perhaps he
would have it fail when unimportant people come, or he would have it fail
at first and then the next day start to work. That is not what has
happened. In some cases it has gone for days without saying boo. That is
characteristic of genuine cutting-edge prototype new technology, such as
the early incandescent lights, internal combustion engines, transistors,
and rockets.
- Jed
Rothwell has consistently refused to consider the reasonable "models" for Rossi's E-Cat, and only chosen to try to know down his straw-man versions.
In this example, he refuses to even consider that there might be something inside the "secret" 30-litre, 80KB box that Rossi won't let anyone examine. His argument that a pot of water stops boiling as soon as you turn off the heat ignores the fact that a pot of water with a large iron block, heated to 500C, will continue to boil for a long time after the heat is turned off.
He also likes to use the analogy of dumping a heated iron block in a barrel of water to show that it would cool down quickly. That's his straw-man version. In Rossi's actual demos, there is a very small trickle of water being fed into the E-Cat, nothing at all like a "barrelfull"
Rothwell has devoted his life to proving that cold fusion is real, so it's no wonder that he's arguing so hard for it. Without it, his life's work is a waste.
But his arguments don't stand up to scrutiny, as many of the other Vortex posters have amply demonstrated.
But his arguments don’t stand up to scrutiny, as many of the other Vortex posters have amply demonstrated.
***Then amply demonstrate it. Go on over to Vortex and tear down his arguments. You would be the first to accomplish it.
***Then amply demonstrate it. Go on over to Vortex and tear down his arguments. You would be the first to accomplish it.Nonsense! Several Vortex posters have done a perfectly adequate job of shooting down Rothwell's strawman arguments.
In particular, Joshua Cude was very patient about explaining why Rothwell's arugments were so badly flawed.
Joshua Cude is just a pasquinade.
Thanks for showing your true colors. You’re anti-LENR, not necessarily just anti-Rossi.
Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself
Joshua Cude is just a pasquinade.Why am I not surprised that you would resort to name calling rather than rational debate. I have no idea of Joshua Cude's opinions on LENR, but his arguments about Rossi's gadget are sound. Feel free to provide counter arguments if you can. But resorting to name calling just demonstrates that you can't make a reasoned argument.Thanks for showing your true colors. Youre anti-LENR, not necessarily just anti-Rossi.
By the way, the only thing I'm "anti" is fraud. The moment Rossi actually demonstrates that he is anything other than a fraud, I'll be happy to acknowledge it.
But he hasn't even come close to demonstrating such a thing so far.
Yet another example for Rossi avoiding any opportunity to prove his device actually works.
By the way, I'm still waiting for you to name an actual customer.
I read the stuff on Vortex-L all the time.
There’s a reason why the first 3 hits on a search for ‘joshua cude’ on Vortex indicates threads started just to point out how dishonest he is.
Re: [Vo]:More evasions and dishonesty from Cude
Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude does not believe in the scientific method
Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude at it
He’s an obvious troll, and your backing him is a sign that you can’t generate or identify well-reasoned arguments.
If Rossi had not sold his 1MW unit, for ~$2M and the whole thing was a facade, he would need cash and would jump at the chance for some cash.
By the way, I’m still waiting for you to name an actual customer.
***All of us know that Rossi claims the customer is choosing to remain anonymous. By constantly pulling this requirement out of your hat, it shows that you aren’t here to discuss, you’re here to harrass.
I think I’m about done with you on this thread, and if you continue to harrass I’ll be putting you on my permanent ‘ignore’ list.
Neutron sources are easy. One I saw was a typical vacuum tube but it's cathode was coated with, I believe, deuterium, and once heated up, spewed neutrons. I believe they had the same type neutron source for both of the bombs dropped on Japan.
If Rossi had not sold his 1MW unit, for ~$2M and the whole thing was a facade, he would need cash and would jump at the chance for some cash.And don't forget about all that money he saved by going back on his promise to have the University of Bologna test his gadget. That saved him a half-million right there.
***All of us know that Rossi claims the customer is choosing to remain anonymous.I'm not talking about the "secret" customer from the October 28th demo, I'm talking about the customer Rossi said would come forward. LINK
Failing that, the name of any customer would be fine. Or anything at all that provided any independent confirmation that Rossi is not a complete fraud.
I think Im about done with you on this thread, and if you continue to harrass Ill be putting you on my permanent ignore list.Oh, goodie! Will I get a customized "I'm ignoring you" canned reply?
Nothing makes you look more childish than your long list of "I'm ignoring you" replies.
Hes an obvious trollDisagreeing with Rothwell doesn't make one an "obvious troll". Cude's replies are much more reasonable than Rothwell's rants.
But, of course, you can't see that through your obsession.
I watched a video yesterday that had Mats Lewan (a Rossi believer and reporter for NY Teknik) say that inside the reaction chamber, the reactants were the same size as a potato. I don’t know which E-cat he was referring to but was in front of a Fat-Cat. What is in the rest of the cases’ volume? It’s possible, that he meant that if you squeezed all the reactants into one place, they were only the size of a potato. I assume, the nickel reactant is a spongy material so it has the maximum area to react with.
For paragraphs, use [p] but replace my brackets with the arrows over the command and period. That would make it much easier to read.
For paragraphs, use [p] but replace my brackets with the arrows over the comma and period. That would make it much easier to read.
I watched a video yesterday that had Mats Lewan (a Rossi believer and reporter for NY Teknik) say that inside the reaction chamber, the reactants were the same size as a potato.To the very best of my knowledge, no one has seen the inside of an E-Cat reactor other than Rossi. What Rossi has occasionally shown was the inside of an external box that held the reactor.
I wouldn't argue with "potato-sized" description of the volume of the original E_Cat. Here is a picture of it (the reactor is the "lump" in the middle):
Assuming that's a metric scale, it appears to be about 6 cm (2.5 in) wide.
I assume, the nickel reactant is a spongy material so it has the maximum area to react with.Again, to the best of my knowledge, no one other than Rossi has seen the "catalyst". Rossi has stated that it contains Nickel, which he has "enhanced" to increase certain isotopes (apparently another revolutionary breakthrough, since enriching specific isotopes in gram or kilogram quantities is a major industrial process). I have heard it described as a powder, but I have no idea if that originated with Rossi or with one of his minions.
The mass of a proton and neutron are almost identical, so you could have a different element with the same mass so long as the sum total of protons and neutrons in the nucleus is the same.
Horse manure. I've followed the commentary of Vortex-l pretty much since just after the Rossi controversy ignited. There has been no "ample demonstration" that Rothwell is wrong. Those who claim he is (just like you) point out only those facets of things that support their points...Rothwell covers ALL points. And as "amply demonstrated" here, YOU don't have the science background to judge.
"In this example, he refuses to even consider that there might be something inside the "secret" 30-litre, 80KB box that Rossi won't let anyone examine. His argument that a pot of water stops boiling as soon as you turn off the heat ignores the fact that a pot of water with a large iron block, heated to 500C, will continue to boil for a long time after the heat is turned off.
No, actually it won't. Firstly, the block CANNOT be heated to 500C, as the heat is being drawn off as fast as it is produced by the coolant being continuously pumped in.
And you're once again selectively choosing information. Although the scientific attendees weren't allowed to open the inner core of the "fat e-cat" (which "is" quite large), there were numerous other witnessed tests of e-cats of many sizes, with much smaller cores, and which the scientists were able to view and prove the size thereof. So Rossi has had to come up with DIFFERENT fakes for ALL THE DIFFERENT E-Cats that fooled ALL THE ATTENDEES every time. Sorry, but that is simply less likely than that the technology is real.
"He also likes to use the analogy of dumping a heated iron block in a barrel of water to show that it would cool down quickly. That's his straw-man version. In Rossi's actual demos, there is a very small trickle of water being fed into the E-Cat, nothing at all like a "barrelfull"
His analogy is correct. There is quite a difference between the "small trickle" that is being fed in, and the TOTAL VOLUME OF WATER contained within the e-Cat. I suggest you look up and compare those two drastically different volumes.
Heres my standard ignore post to Johnny B.
This will be my standard post to you that says youre not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says buzz off & doesnt leave crickets. Youve proven youre just here to harass; you have demonstrated that you are not here to discuss things on a level that Free Republic intended.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2832338/posts?page=51#51
Heres my standard ignore post to Johnny B.Yea! I'm on Kevmo's ignore list (which means he will be constantly posting messages telling me that he's ignoring me.
Note that I'm on his ignore list for the terrible crime of asking him why Rossi lied about having the University of Bologna do independent testing of his gadget, and why Rossi lied about having a customer that was ready to go public. LINK
I guess when Kevmo's can't defend his blind faith in Rossi, he just sticks his fingers in his ears and yells over and over, "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!".
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