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NASA Publicly Reveals LENR Research
Cold Fusion News ^ | Jan 12 2012 | admin

Posted on 01/12/2012 8:58:28 PM PST by Kevmo

NASA Publicly Reveals LENR Research

January 12, 2012

The National Aeronautics and Space Administration or NASA has announced that it is working to develop a low energy nuclear reaction (LENR) or cold fusion power source. The agency has posted a video online that features a senior research scientist discussing LENR and explaining how it works.

The scientist is Dr. Joseph Zawodny a Senior Research Scientist at NASA’s Langley Research Center in Virginia near Washington DC.

Joseph Zawodny courtesy NASA

“It has demonstrated ability to produce excess amounts of energy cleanly without hazardous ionizing radiation without producing nasty waste,” Zawodny told the camera. In the video Zawodny stated that NASA’s method for enhancement of surface Plasmon Polaritons to initiate and sustain LENR releases energy by adding neutrons. When enough neutrons are added they sponteaneously decay into something of the same mass but another element.

 

In the video an announcer describes the system as:

NASA’s method for Enhancement of Surface Plasmon Polaritrons to Initiate and Sustain LENR in Metal Hydride Solutions a clean nuclear energy for your power operated technology.”

 

This sounds a lot like Andrea Rossi’s e-cat LENR device. The video shows images from the US Navy SPAWAR  which was reportedly working on LENR devices of its own. A recent internet rumor has stated that SPAWAR has shut down its cold fusion research. No Mention is made of SPAWAR the Navy’s research arm in the video.

 

Zawodny did not mention Rossi or e-cat but he described a home use of the process that sounds a lot like Rossi’s. He mentioned that it could be used for heating, cool, water heating and electricity production in the home.

 

“The easiest implementation of this would be for the home. You would have a unit that would replace your water heater you would have some sort of cycle to derive electricity from that,” Zawodny said. “It would be a dual use thing it would produce heat, the waste heat would be used for environmental control and warm water.”

 

Interestingly enough Dr. Dennis M. Bushnell another senior scientist at Langely who is also involved in LENR research is not mentioned or shown in the video.

Nor or are any high level NASA officials shown. Scientists are shown working at computers but no LENR devices are shown. Instead stock footage of planes, trains and trucks is shown and fossil fuels are mentioned.

Facilities and Personnel at NASA's Langley Research Center

This is a very interesting development especially when there is widespread public interest in LENR and public pressure to investigate it. Combined with reports that the US Department of Energy could be changing its mind on the topic this is really good news. LENR skeptics won’t be able to dismiss Zawodny as a “cold fusion crank.”

 

There are some interesting implications from this, NASA could be getting ready to ask Congress for funding for LENR research. Or the Agency could be getting ready to patent a process. If that happens it could affect both Andrea Rossi and the Greek company Defaklion that claim to have working LENR heating devices. Rossi is selling such a device right now. Both he and Defkalion are planning to bring out home heating units using LENR this year.

 

One interesting development could be that NASA is planning to commercialize LENR. That could lead to a legal battle with Rossi and the companies he has licensed. There have been some unconfirmed rumors that NASA has purchased one of Rossi’s e-cat cold fusion devices. Other rumors indicate that the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency at the Pentagon or DARPA was the customer.

 

I also have to wonder if NASA has a working LENR device of some sort. If it does that could be a real game changer. We would also have to wonder why NASA hasn’t revealed the device to the public or the press. Perhaps they’re waiting for tests or a patent.

Concept drawing of a 5KW E-cat for home use Courtesy Ecat.com

Another possibility is that President Obama is keeping the device under wraps and planning to publicly unveil it during the Presidential campaign this fall. That would certainly get him a few votes. This is highly probably because it would justify his green energy technology agenda which has received a lot of criticism in recent months.

 

Either way it looks like the LENR deniers are going to have to change their tunes and eat their words. It also looks like this revolutionary energy source has high level support in Washington.

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To: Wonder Warthog; Johnny B.

Stealing once again from Jed Rothwell

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex- href=”mailto:l@eskimo.com”>l@eskimo.com/msg58130.html

See p. 32. As you see this is Run II. There were several others. McKubre
remarked that he knows a highly qualified person who was present. I know
several, and I know of other independent tests. Some of them failed, like
the NASA test. Others succeeded.

As I have pointed out here before, if this machine was fake he would make
it appear to work every time, on demand, especially when he has important
visitors such as NASA. If he wanted to give it versimillitude perhaps he
would have it fail when unimportant people come, or he would have it fail
at first and then the next day start to work. That is not what has
happened. In some cases it has gone for days without saying boo. That is
characteristic of genuine cutting-edge prototype new technology, such as
the early incandescent lights, internal combustion engines, transistors,
and rockets.

- Jed


41 posted on 01/14/2012 8:38:11 AM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
Sorry your skills don't include making a block of text readable.

Rothwell has consistently refused to consider the reasonable "models" for Rossi's E-Cat, and only chosen to try to know down his straw-man versions.

In this example, he refuses to even consider that there might be something inside the "secret" 30-litre, 80KB box that Rossi won't let anyone examine. His argument that a pot of water stops boiling as soon as you turn off the heat ignores the fact that a pot of water with a large iron block, heated to 500C, will continue to boil for a long time after the heat is turned off.

He also likes to use the analogy of dumping a heated iron block in a barrel of water to show that it would cool down quickly. That's his straw-man version. In Rossi's actual demos, there is a very small trickle of water being fed into the E-Cat, nothing at all like a "barrelfull"

Rothwell has devoted his life to proving that cold fusion is real, so it's no wonder that he's arguing so hard for it. Without it, his life's work is a waste.

But his arguments don't stand up to scrutiny, as many of the other Vortex posters have amply demonstrated.

42 posted on 01/14/2012 8:44:02 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.

But his arguments don’t stand up to scrutiny, as many of the other Vortex posters have amply demonstrated.
***Then amply demonstrate it. Go on over to Vortex and tear down his arguments. You would be the first to accomplish it.


43 posted on 01/14/2012 8:46:42 AM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
***Then amply demonstrate it. Go on over to Vortex and tear down his arguments. You would be the first to accomplish it.
Nonsense! Several Vortex posters have done a perfectly adequate job of shooting down Rothwell's strawman arguments.

In particular, Joshua Cude was very patient about explaining why Rothwell's arugments were so badly flawed.

44 posted on 01/14/2012 8:56:18 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.

Joshua Cude is just a pasquinade.

Thanks for showing your true colors. You’re anti-LENR, not necessarily just anti-Rossi.

Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself


45 posted on 01/14/2012 9:00:21 AM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
Joshua Cude is just a pasquinade.

Thanks for showing your true colors. You’re anti-LENR, not necessarily just anti-Rossi.

Why am I not surprised that you would resort to name calling rather than rational debate. I have no idea of Joshua Cude's opinions on LENR, but his arguments about Rossi's gadget are sound. Feel free to provide counter arguments if you can. But resorting to name calling just demonstrates that you can't make a reasoned argument.

By the way, the only thing I'm "anti" is fraud. The moment Rossi actually demonstrates that he is anything other than a fraud, I'll be happy to acknowledge it.

But he hasn't even come close to demonstrating such a thing so far.

46 posted on 01/14/2012 9:08:52 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Kevmo
By the way, I see that Rossi has blown off Dick Smith's offer of $200,000 to charity if Rossi would allow his engineer to test an E-Cat. LINK

Yet another example for Rossi avoiding any opportunity to prove his device actually works.

By the way, I'm still waiting for you to name an actual customer.

47 posted on 01/14/2012 9:13:04 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.

I read the stuff on Vortex-L all the time.

There’s a reason why the first 3 hits on a search for ‘joshua cude’ on Vortex indicates threads started just to point out how dishonest he is.

Re: [Vo]:More evasions and dishonesty from Cude

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude does not believe in the scientific method

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude at it

He’s an obvious troll, and your backing him is a sign that you can’t generate or identify well-reasoned arguments.


48 posted on 01/14/2012 9:15:34 AM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Johnny B.

If Rossi had not sold his 1MW unit, for ~$2M and the whole thing was a facade, he would need cash and would jump at the chance for some cash.

By the way, I’m still waiting for you to name an actual customer.
***All of us know that Rossi claims the customer is choosing to remain anonymous. By constantly pulling this requirement out of your hat, it shows that you aren’t here to discuss, you’re here to harrass.

I think I’m about done with you on this thread, and if you continue to harrass I’ll be putting you on my permanent ‘ignore’ list.


49 posted on 01/14/2012 9:20:33 AM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Moltke
No, it sounds NOTHING like Rossi's device. NASA says it adds neutrons while Rossi adds hydrogen, that is protons. Neutrons don't have the Coulomb barrier to deal with. You just need a neutron source (and therein lies the rub)...

Neutron sources are easy. One I saw was a typical vacuum tube but it's cathode was coated with, I believe, deuterium, and once heated up, spewed neutrons. I believe they had the same type neutron source for both of the bombs dropped on Japan.

50 posted on 01/14/2012 10:28:17 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Kevmo
If Rossi had not sold his 1MW unit, for ~$2M and the whole thing was a facade, he would need cash and would jump at the chance for some cash.
And don't forget about all that money he saved by going back on his promise to have the University of Bologna test his gadget. That saved him a half-million right there.
***All of us know that Rossi claims the customer is choosing to remain anonymous.
I'm not talking about the "secret" customer from the October 28th demo, I'm talking about the customer Rossi said would come forward. LINK

Failing that, the name of any customer would be fine. Or anything at all that provided any independent confirmation that Rossi is not a complete fraud.

I think I’m about done with you on this thread, and if you continue to harrass I’ll be putting you on my permanent ‘ignore’ list.
Oh, goodie! Will I get a customized "I'm ignoring you" canned reply?

Nothing makes you look more childish than your long list of "I'm ignoring you" replies.

51 posted on 01/14/2012 10:29:46 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Kevmo
He’s an obvious troll
Disagreeing with Rothwell doesn't make one an "obvious troll". Cude's replies are much more reasonable than Rothwell's rants.

But, of course, you can't see that through your obsession.

52 posted on 01/14/2012 10:32:46 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.

I watched a video yesterday that had Mats Lewan (a Rossi believer and reporter for NY Teknik) say that inside the reaction chamber, the reactants were the same size as a potato. I don’t know which E-cat he was referring to but was in front of a Fat-Cat. What is in the rest of the cases’ volume? It’s possible, that he meant that if you squeezed all the reactants into one place, they were only the size of a potato. I assume, the nickel reactant is a spongy material so it has the maximum area to react with.


53 posted on 01/14/2012 10:36:41 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Kevmo

For paragraphs, use [p] but replace my brackets with the arrows over the command and period. That would make it much easier to read.


54 posted on 01/14/2012 10:39:59 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx; Kevmo
Edited to clarify:

For paragraphs, use [p] but replace my brackets with the arrows over the comma and period. That would make it much easier to read.

55 posted on 01/14/2012 10:58:02 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx
I watched a video yesterday that had Mats Lewan (a Rossi believer and reporter for NY Teknik) say that inside the reaction chamber, the reactants were the same size as a potato.
To the very best of my knowledge, no one has seen the inside of an E-Cat reactor other than Rossi. What Rossi has occasionally shown was the inside of an external box that held the reactor.

I wouldn't argue with "potato-sized" description of the volume of the original E_Cat. Here is a picture of it (the reactor is the "lump" in the middle):

Assuming that's a metric scale, it appears to be about 6 cm (2.5 in) wide.

I assume, the nickel reactant is a spongy material so it has the maximum area to react with.
Again, to the best of my knowledge, no one other than Rossi has seen the "catalyst". Rossi has stated that it contains Nickel, which he has "enhanced" to increase certain isotopes (apparently another revolutionary breakthrough, since enriching specific isotopes in gram or kilogram quantities is a major industrial process). I have heard it described as a powder, but I have no idea if that originated with Rossi or with one of his minions.
56 posted on 01/14/2012 11:12:17 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Lx

The mass of a proton and neutron are almost identical, so you could have a different element with the same mass so long as the sum total of protons and neutrons in the nucleus is the same.


57 posted on 01/14/2012 11:45:22 AM PST by rottndog (This FReeper nuclear powered...)
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To: Johnny B.
"But his arguments don't stand up to scrutiny, as many of the other Vortex posters have amply demonstrated."

Horse manure. I've followed the commentary of Vortex-l pretty much since just after the Rossi controversy ignited. There has been no "ample demonstration" that Rothwell is wrong. Those who claim he is (just like you) point out only those facets of things that support their points...Rothwell covers ALL points. And as "amply demonstrated" here, YOU don't have the science background to judge.

"In this example, he refuses to even consider that there might be something inside the "secret" 30-litre, 80KB box that Rossi won't let anyone examine. His argument that a pot of water stops boiling as soon as you turn off the heat ignores the fact that a pot of water with a large iron block, heated to 500C, will continue to boil for a long time after the heat is turned off.

No, actually it won't. Firstly, the block CANNOT be heated to 500C, as the heat is being drawn off as fast as it is produced by the coolant being continuously pumped in.

And you're once again selectively choosing information. Although the scientific attendees weren't allowed to open the inner core of the "fat e-cat" (which "is" quite large), there were numerous other witnessed tests of e-cats of many sizes, with much smaller cores, and which the scientists were able to view and prove the size thereof. So Rossi has had to come up with DIFFERENT fakes for ALL THE DIFFERENT E-Cats that fooled ALL THE ATTENDEES every time. Sorry, but that is simply less likely than that the technology is real.

"He also likes to use the analogy of dumping a heated iron block in a barrel of water to show that it would cool down quickly. That's his straw-man version. In Rossi's actual demos, there is a very small trickle of water being fed into the E-Cat, nothing at all like a "barrelfull"

His analogy is correct. There is quite a difference between the "small trickle" that is being fed in, and the TOTAL VOLUME OF WATER contained within the e-Cat. I suggest you look up and compare those two drastically different volumes.

58 posted on 01/14/2012 5:26:12 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Johnny B.

• Here’s my standard ‘ignore’ post to Johnny B.
This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. You’ve proven you’re just here to harass; you have demonstrated that you are not here to discuss things on a level that Free Republic intended.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2832338/posts?page=51#51


59 posted on 01/14/2012 8:59:40 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo; Moonman62; Lx; CodeToad
• Here’s my standard ‘ignore’ post to Johnny B.
Yea! I'm on Kevmo's ignore list (which means he will be constantly posting messages telling me that he's ignoring me.

Note that I'm on his ignore list for the terrible crime of asking him why Rossi lied about having the University of Bologna do independent testing of his gadget, and why Rossi lied about having a customer that was ready to go public. LINK

I guess when Kevmo's can't defend his blind faith in Rossi, he just sticks his fingers in his ears and yells over and over, "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!".

60 posted on 01/14/2012 11:10:23 PM PST by Johnny B.
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