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To: Johnny B.
"But his arguments don't stand up to scrutiny, as many of the other Vortex posters have amply demonstrated."

Horse manure. I've followed the commentary of Vortex-l pretty much since just after the Rossi controversy ignited. There has been no "ample demonstration" that Rothwell is wrong. Those who claim he is (just like you) point out only those facets of things that support their points...Rothwell covers ALL points. And as "amply demonstrated" here, YOU don't have the science background to judge.

"In this example, he refuses to even consider that there might be something inside the "secret" 30-litre, 80KB box that Rossi won't let anyone examine. His argument that a pot of water stops boiling as soon as you turn off the heat ignores the fact that a pot of water with a large iron block, heated to 500C, will continue to boil for a long time after the heat is turned off.

No, actually it won't. Firstly, the block CANNOT be heated to 500C, as the heat is being drawn off as fast as it is produced by the coolant being continuously pumped in.

And you're once again selectively choosing information. Although the scientific attendees weren't allowed to open the inner core of the "fat e-cat" (which "is" quite large), there were numerous other witnessed tests of e-cats of many sizes, with much smaller cores, and which the scientists were able to view and prove the size thereof. So Rossi has had to come up with DIFFERENT fakes for ALL THE DIFFERENT E-Cats that fooled ALL THE ATTENDEES every time. Sorry, but that is simply less likely than that the technology is real.

"He also likes to use the analogy of dumping a heated iron block in a barrel of water to show that it would cool down quickly. That's his straw-man version. In Rossi's actual demos, there is a very small trickle of water being fed into the E-Cat, nothing at all like a "barrelfull"

His analogy is correct. There is quite a difference between the "small trickle" that is being fed in, and the TOTAL VOLUME OF WATER contained within the e-Cat. I suggest you look up and compare those two drastically different volumes.

58 posted on 01/14/2012 5:26:12 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
No, actually it won't. Firstly, the block CANNOT be heated to 500C, as the heat is being drawn off as fast as it is produced by the coolant being continuously pumped in.
Nonsense. We're talking about something like 1.5 liters of water per hour. We're talking about Rossi pumping heat into his gadget for hours prior to the start of the test.
YOU don't have the science background to judge.

So Rossi has had to come up with DIFFERENT fakes for ALL THE DIFFERENT E-Cats that fooled ALL THE ATTENDEES every time. Sorry, but that is simply less likely than that the technology is real.

LENR researcher Brian Ahern certainly does have the science background to judge, and he said:
“Rossi has been clever enough to change the trick on each successive demo. Using a secret customer is a great way to allow him to fulfill his promise to demo the 1 MW unit in October. He then evaded conducting the demo transparently by saying that the customer demanded the demo conditions. The “customer’ signed off when Rossi gave him the wink and he shut things down without any measurements by anyone except the shill.

“Occam’s Razor, on the other hand, says that 12 inconclusive demos in succession are not random. It is well planned and orchestrated. He has used the journalists like a team of puppets.” (LINK)

So, go ahead and tell us all how any scientist who disagrees with the fanboy collective must be wrong, because the fanboy collective is so obviously right.
61 posted on 01/14/2012 11:30:46 PM PST by Johnny B.
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