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Gun ownership, carrying a gun linked to heavy alcohol use
UC Davis Health Systems ^ | 6/14/2011 | UC Davis Health Systems

Posted on 06/20/2011 9:11:22 AM PDT by drypowder

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To: I cannot think of a name
“The UC Davis study” Says it all - I need to read no further. Sometimes the smell of BS just reeks from the page!
Kind of like a story on "global warming" that begins with:

A new IPCC study reveals...

41 posted on 06/20/2011 9:44:22 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Fiddlstix

LOL!


42 posted on 06/20/2011 9:45:05 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: drypowder

...and there’s a high correlation between liberalism and illicit drug use. Let’s ban liberals.


43 posted on 06/20/2011 9:45:18 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus
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To: Lazlo in PA

This “study” (so-called) is an unusually large pile of crap, even by Academic Gun-Grabbing Peace-Creep standards. The use of outdated and cherry-picked statistics, combined with an intentional conflation of inherently risky behaviors (e.g. - drunk driving) and demonstrably safe behavior (legal concealed carry) would be bad enough, but the unchecked assumption of causality behind it renders it all a great big steaming load.


44 posted on 06/20/2011 9:45:47 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: allmendream
15 years ago, how many States had legal concealed carry? The “study” doesn’t differentiate between those who illegally concealed carry and those who do so legally. Those who engage in criminal behavior are more likely to drink? Wow, who knew?
Excellent points.

Also, aren't there boatloads of studies that show that where there is legal concealed carry there are WAY FEWER carjackings?

45 posted on 06/20/2011 9:48:44 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: drypowder
Yeah’ I always carry conceal my weapon next to my flask of Black Jack on my hip / S
46 posted on 06/20/2011 9:50:09 AM PDT by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: Popman
"Yeah’ I always carry conceal my weapon next to my flask of Black Jack on my hip .."

Well, y'all be careful about which one you pull out and stick into your mouth then, y'heah?

47 posted on 06/20/2011 9:51:55 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Square Dancing - Drill and Ceremony Set To Music)
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To: drypowder

that’s funny...most RATIONAL people would clearly conclude NOT carrying is probably riskier..but who knew? Then again I’m not a perfesser....


48 posted on 06/20/2011 9:52:06 AM PDT by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you do not, no explanation is possible")
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To: drypowder
I think we've reached a point where we're not going to sway any more anti-gunners with our logic, common sense and Constitutional rightness on the the RKBA debate. I've grown tired trying to convince wrong-headed Leftists that they're wrong, and that I have every right to keep whatever arms I so choose and bear those arms wherever I so desire.

So from now on, I simply say "molon labe". Come get 'em, bitches. If you want mine, you'd damned sure better bring yours...and pack a lunch, too.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

49 posted on 06/20/2011 9:55:09 AM PDT by wku man (Who says conservatives don't rock? http://www.bigdawgmusicmafia.com)
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To: Malone LaVeigh
Have these clowns been peeking into my house again?!

Nice. I'll be over this weekend. Looks like my type of place. Only thing missing is the "shooting car" out back.


50 posted on 06/20/2011 10:00:13 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: drypowder

“about 25 percent of gunshot-wound victims treated at UC Davis Medical Center tested positive for alcohol.”

So you are much more likely to be shot if you’re sober. Good to know.(snicker)


51 posted on 06/20/2011 10:04:38 AM PDT by Gumption
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“What an idiotic statement - assuming that carry a concealed weapon is a “risky behavior”.”

Hopefully, the author was referencing this study finding:
“But alcohol abuse was most common among firearm owners who participated in gun-related behaviors that carry a risk of violence, which also included having a loaded, unlocked firearm in the home and driving or riding in a vehicle with a loaded firearm.”

Let’s concede that alcohol abuse impairs judgment (witness: drinking and driving deaths). This study is the equivalent of finding that drivers who drink alcohol are more likely to be involved in automobile accidents. Given the disproportionate share of carnage caused by drunk drivers, this wouldn’t be at all surprising. But the solution to this problem isn’t to ban either alcohol use or cars: it is to impose heavy penalties on those who drive their cars recklessly—a standard that inevitably will snare more drunk drivers than average drivers.

Likewise with guns. No one can defend the carnage caused by guns. And to the degree it arises from irresponsible behavior, it should be punished just as severely as drunk driving deaths. But the solution isn’t to inhibit the freedom of everyone else to drink or own guns.

If this solution is acceptable for cars (drunk driving causes 10,8000 deaths a year
http://www.cdc.gov/MotorVehicleSafety/Impaired_Driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html while gun-related homicides and accidents account for about 13,500 http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.html), there’s no reason (except for ideological bias) it can’t work for guns.


52 posted on 06/20/2011 10:09:34 AM PDT by DrC
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To: drypowder

Garen Wintemute is an anti-gun activist of the first order and anything he has to say needs to be vetted thoroughly. If that pony-tailed freak said that water was wet I’d be sure to verify the fact.


53 posted on 06/20/2011 10:13:25 AM PDT by MeganC (NO WAR FOR OIL! ........except when a Democrat's in charge.)
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To: drypowder

Is this like the study that once proved that marijuana use made White women want to have sex with Black Jazz musicians?


54 posted on 06/20/2011 10:15:49 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: drypowder
Gun ownership, carrying a gun linked to heavy alcohol use

The way gun owners and dealers get treated by the statist JBT's, can you blame them? Rein in the ATF, and the problem would be solved. Refreshing honesty from a lying liberal university, as much as admitting the policies are the cause of the problem.

55 posted on 06/20/2011 10:20:45 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Yo-Yo
Since when is owning a gun, or having a CCW license "risky behavior?"

When you're a liberal. If you're a liberal and own a gun, it's risky because you're an idiot and will probably shoot your wife or dog. If you're a liberal and OTHER people own guns, it's risky cause you might end up watering the tree of liberty.

56 posted on 06/20/2011 10:23:31 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Well Malone, you just boiled down the alcohol/gun link to the love of fine, polished wood. Are you up for a grant?


57 posted on 06/20/2011 10:24:24 AM PDT by Rinnwald
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To: Popman
Yeah’ I always carry conceal my weapon next to my flask of Black Jack on my hip

Tip: Before sticking either in your mouth, double check to make sure you grabbed the right one!

58 posted on 06/20/2011 10:29:35 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: humblegunner; Eaker; TheMom; thackney; NYTexan; mylife

Wow, what a complete load of cr@p ping.


59 posted on 06/20/2011 10:31:27 AM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: drypowder

This study must be true. Shortly after I gave up alcohol, I lost all my guns in the lake.


60 posted on 06/20/2011 10:31:29 AM PDT by Nachoman (Wisdom is learned, cynicism is earned.)
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