Posted on 03/02/2011 11:59:01 PM PST by ThinkingBuddha
After renting and testing several different handguns at the range for the past couple of weeks, I came across a gun that I thought was best suited to be my first handgun. A Kahr K9. It fits me great, and I shot well with it. I also liked the conceal ability of it. I think 7 +1 rounds is adequate for self defense purposes.
I am considering US made guns only, and had been leaning towards 1911’s. However the K9 gives more bang for the buck, compared to a well made 1911. I have tried revolvers too, but decided that I prefer semiautomatics. I left the range thinking that my search had come to an end.
However when researching reviews of the gun online, I found that Kahr Arms is a subsidiary of Tongil Group owned by Sun Myung Moon and the Unification church. As a new Christian, I am very uncomfortable with buying from a cult (no offense to Unification church folks, but any church elevating anyone to Christ level is a cult). But dang it, it was the best darn gun I have so far come across.
I am being too dogmatic? Or is my conscience correct? As as new believer I am trying not to cross the line to becoming Pharisaical. However I want to test everything as the word says I should.
Pretty much anywhere you shop is run by pro-homosexual cultists.
Can’t get away from cults, be they secular or religious.
It’s like buying and eating meat from the shambles.
1Co 10:25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:
Washington Times is owned by the Moonies, too, I hear.
It looks like a neat gun. I am not sure that I would feel comfortable purchasing a gun made by a company whose profits go to the Moonies either. There are so many good guns to choose from. I personally think that most Sig Sauers are great guns and they are reasonably priced and made in the USA. I have a bunch of guns and there isn’t one that I don’t enjoy shooting.
I actually have to admit that I am somewhat partial to Eastern Block surplus military guns. So I guess indirectly some of my money may have made it back to people that I don’t want to be suportive of either. They are super cheap and so is the surplus ammo. It also gives one a greater appreciation for what our soldiers have been up against since WWII. The Tokarev, the Mosin Nagants, the AK variants, Polish, Czech and East German handguns are all great shooting fun.
You did to me. I don’t see why that should have anything to do with buying a weapon you want and feel comfortable with.
I would apply the same considerations in purchasing a gun. I would buy the best gun I could get, but that best would include whether my purchase is supporting a policy or organization that I find unacceptable. If the Moonies bother you, an entirely reasonable perspective, it may well be that you would be happier in the long run with a good gun for you that comes from another maker. It's obviously your decision, but in your position I'd keep shopping to avoid the long-term regrets that might otherwise come with a questionable purchase. I always assume that my conscience is correct - that policy helps me to sleep better at night and you especially want to be completely comfortable with a personal firearm.
Other options for an American-made handgun, without comment on quality, suitability, or other factors (alphabetical but not necessarily complete):
American Derringer
Bond Arms
Charter Arms
FMK Firearms
Heritage Manufacturing
Hi-Point Firearms
Kel-Tec
Kimber
Ruger
Smith & Wesson
Firearms are expensive and you keep them for a long time. I think It's worth looking long enough that you're happy with all aspects of the purchase. [I also think it's worth paying extra for exactly what you want, and it's worth considering life cycle costs - how much to shoot that gun for ten years, not just the purchase price.]
Buy a US made Beretta. It is the company that made the rifle barrels that were a deciding factor in Christianity (The Holy League’s) battle against Islam in 1571 AD at Lepanto.
i.e. if we had lost that battle you might be a Muslim today. Beretta’s barrels were a deciding factor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lepanto
“An advantage for the Christians was their numerical superiority in guns and cannons aboard their ships, and probably the better fighting quality of the Spanish infantry.[5] It is estimated the Christians had 1,815 guns, while the Turks had only 750 with insufficient ammunition.[1][3] The Christians embarked with their much improved arquebusier and musketeer forces, while the Ottomans trusted in their greatly feared composite bowmen.”
Beretta supplied the barrels for the “arquebusiers” which were early rifles. Largely used by Ventian Marines in the battle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arquebusier
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0158.htm
All Christians should know this history.
Kahr is an excellent choice. 9mm makes holes too.
You learn to shoot what you got.
I prefer heavier bullets and loads so if I have to I can reach out and touch some one in a meaningful way.
If Kahr offers the tritium night sights get em. They will very much aid you in low light situations.
When you buy extra mags, buy from the manufacturer or a dealer of OEM mags. They are more reliable than copies unless you go with mags that are known for superior quality.
For instance, I shoot Kimber .45 and all my mags are OEM. I have ten by Kimber.
But I also have 4 by Wilson Combat. Why? I wanted some mags for my Kimbers and the dealer only had Wilson that day. They work perfect and cost about the same.
Don’t skimp on Mags just cuz they are cheaper. It doesn’t necessarily mean they are inferior or that others haven’t found them sufficiently reliable.
I want as reliable as I can get or afford and only shoot the best equipment I can find. A jam when your life depends on it would ....well, suck.
Also, fire some hollow points in your 9mm to see how well they feed and how reliably you can feed them.
If you are unable to use hollow points look to glaser type ammo.
Don’t forget what to when your gun jams, as it inevitably will:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfyULpEhmug
Have fun and take your weapon apart and clean it over and over again until you are sure of the exact order of how the parts should be laid out when disassembled and then just put the parts back in the reverse order.
I did not realize there was a a religious element in the manufacture and profits of Kahr.
spend an extra $200 buck on a Kimber or choose another from the list provided by Pollster1.
I have plenty of guns from a wide variety of manufacturers but I can guarantee you my grab gun will be the Kimbers. I love them.
Second runner up is the Colt but I haven’t done more than clean it in a few years.
My brother prefer Keltec, XD and HK in .40.
Understand, I shoot .45 in all my self defense semi-autos, except the varied .38’s I have and some .22’s. Just my thing.
I shoot a lot of .22 and air pistol (at least a hundred rounds a day), as well as perhaps 50 rounds of .45 a week. The thing that matters is choosing the right gun for your situation. At a moderately heavy volume, the price per round matters, not to mention the convenience of shooting .22 and air pistol at home with the right facilities. I'm not a fan of the intermediate calibers, but others like getting more bang than a .22 without getting beat up as many people feel from shooting the .45. In a self-defense situation, I want the other guy to go down on my first shot with a .45, not eventually that day with a .38 or 9mm.
Zactly.
WE use airgun, BB gun for practice as well .22 with the Ruger MK II and MKIII.
Cheaper and our fucus is technique. We are already use to loud caliber reports from .300, .308, .338 and even .270, .223, 30-06. etc. So the focus is on technique, tactic and strategy. Breathe, Breathe, Breathe... Through your nose. LOL
Paintball is an excellent way to learn vital skills.
Other than that we just love using our long distance cordless drills to put holes in paper.
Why be worried if someone thinks you a nut because of who owns the company? Bottom line is that if you don’t feel good with it you won’t like the gun.
The Kahr PM40 was the only gun I ever traded-in because it sucked. Always jamming, and the magazine lip would split!!
My shop sent it back to Kahr. When it came back in I took it right out to the range in the store - same crap.
I took it back inside and said, let’s see what I can trade it for.
Ruger LCP is currently going for $299. I don’t have one (I carry a 340PD) but my son does and he likes it.
As a practical consideration, many of the East-bloc firearms were designed to be used by peasant farmers (conscripts) with no prior experience maintaining firearms. They are very tolerant of the neglect and abuse from field conditions compared to some of their western counterparts, and in a wide variety of environments.
Which is not to say that they should not be maintained as well, but that if situations become less than optimal, they are likely to continue to function.
Your politics and religion considerations are identical to mine. I thought I wrote your summary of those to boycott forever! I would also highlight the Levi Strauss Co. Many years ago they took action against their involvement with Boy Scouts of America over the homosexual issues (I can’t even remember the details today!!) and I promised myself to never, ever again own any of their products. To this day I have not done so and encourage others to boycott them too.
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Ruger is always my first choice.
Shoot the hell out of it at first. Kahrs have very stiff actions and loosen up after about 200-300 rounds.
Kahr firearms are expensive and for that kind of money, I expect them to go bang right out of the box every time I pull the trigger. They do not, which is why I recently purchased the Springfield XD9 Subcompact for everyday carry over the Kahr (and Walther), and I am confident that I made the right decision for me: I have now fired 550 rounds through the XD9 Sub using various grades of ammo and I have yet to experience any problems of any kind whatsoever (other than my inconsistent aim).
I commend you for being aware of what your dollars are supporting. I enjoy shooting XD so much I bought one for my wife, now I can shoot the 40 and the 9.
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