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I hope I did not come out sounding like a religious nut. I certainly am not that! I will be discussing this with my friends from church small group this weekend. But I just could not wait till then; hence the urge to post my question!
1 posted on 03/02/2011 11:59:03 PM PST by ThinkingBuddha
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To: ThinkingBuddha
Interesting article

http://www.portfolio.com/careers/features/2007/09/17/Unification-Church/index.html
2 posted on 03/03/2011 12:04:37 AM PST by ThinkingBuddha
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Pretty much anywhere you shop is run by pro-homosexual cultists.

Can’t get away from cults, be they secular or religious.

It’s like buying and eating meat from the shambles.

1Co 10:25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:

Washington Times is owned by the Moonies, too, I hear.


3 posted on 03/03/2011 12:04:41 AM PST by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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It looks like a neat gun. I am not sure that I would feel comfortable purchasing a gun made by a company whose profits go to the Moonies either. There are so many good guns to choose from. I personally think that most Sig Sauers are great guns and they are reasonably priced and made in the USA. I have a bunch of guns and there isn’t one that I don’t enjoy shooting.

I actually have to admit that I am somewhat partial to Eastern Block surplus military guns. So I guess indirectly some of my money may have made it back to people that I don’t want to be suportive of either. They are super cheap and so is the surplus ammo. It also gives one a greater appreciation for what our soldiers have been up against since WWII. The Tokarev, the Mosin Nagants, the AK variants, Polish, Czech and East German handguns are all great shooting fun.


4 posted on 03/03/2011 12:23:27 AM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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You did to me. I don’t see why that should have anything to do with buying a weapon you want and feel comfortable with.


5 posted on 03/03/2011 12:32:13 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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I consider politics and religion in all significant purchases, although those are obviously not the only factors. As just one example, I am boycotting GM, Chrysler, and all other TARP/Bailout beneficiaries forever. Also, I do not buy gasoline from CITGO more than absolutely necessary, such as one purchase of two dollars worth of gas in the past five years, because of their ownership by Hugo Chavez.

I would apply the same considerations in purchasing a gun. I would buy the best gun I could get, but that best would include whether my purchase is supporting a policy or organization that I find unacceptable. If the Moonies bother you, an entirely reasonable perspective, it may well be that you would be happier in the long run with a good gun for you that comes from another maker. It's obviously your decision, but in your position I'd keep shopping to avoid the long-term regrets that might otherwise come with a questionable purchase. I always assume that my conscience is correct - that policy helps me to sleep better at night and you especially want to be completely comfortable with a personal firearm.

Other options for an American-made handgun, without comment on quality, suitability, or other factors (alphabetical but not necessarily complete):

American Derringer
Bond Arms
Charter Arms
FMK Firearms
Heritage Manufacturing
Hi-Point Firearms
Kel-Tec
Kimber
Ruger
Smith & Wesson

Firearms are expensive and you keep them for a long time. I think It's worth looking long enough that you're happy with all aspects of the purchase. [I also think it's worth paying extra for exactly what you want, and it's worth considering life cycle costs - how much to shoot that gun for ten years, not just the purchase price.]

6 posted on 03/03/2011 12:38:08 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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Buy a US made Beretta. It is the company that made the rifle barrels that were a deciding factor in Christianity (The Holy League’s) battle against Islam in 1571 AD at Lepanto.

i.e. if we had lost that battle you might be a Muslim today. Beretta’s barrels were a deciding factor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lepanto

“An advantage for the Christians was their numerical superiority in guns and cannons aboard their ships, and probably the better fighting quality of the Spanish infantry.[5] It is estimated the Christians had 1,815 guns, while the Turks had only 750 with insufficient ammunition.[1][3] The Christians embarked with their much improved arquebusier and musketeer forces, while the Ottomans trusted in their greatly feared composite bowmen.”

Beretta supplied the barrels for the “arquebusiers” which were early rifles. Largely used by Ventian Marines in the battle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arquebusier

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0158.htm

All Christians should know this history.


7 posted on 03/03/2011 12:40:30 AM PST by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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Kahr is an excellent choice. 9mm makes holes too.

You learn to shoot what you got.

I prefer heavier bullets and loads so if I have to I can reach out and touch some one in a meaningful way.

If Kahr offers the tritium night sights get em. They will very much aid you in low light situations.

When you buy extra mags, buy from the manufacturer or a dealer of OEM mags. They are more reliable than copies unless you go with mags that are known for superior quality.

For instance, I shoot Kimber .45 and all my mags are OEM. I have ten by Kimber.

But I also have 4 by Wilson Combat. Why? I wanted some mags for my Kimbers and the dealer only had Wilson that day. They work perfect and cost about the same.

Don’t skimp on Mags just cuz they are cheaper. It doesn’t necessarily mean they are inferior or that others haven’t found them sufficiently reliable.

I want as reliable as I can get or afford and only shoot the best equipment I can find. A jam when your life depends on it would ....well, suck.

Also, fire some hollow points in your 9mm to see how well they feed and how reliably you can feed them.

If you are unable to use hollow points look to glaser type ammo.

Don’t forget what to when your gun jams, as it inevitably will:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfyULpEhmug

Have fun and take your weapon apart and clean it over and over again until you are sure of the exact order of how the parts should be laid out when disassembled and then just put the parts back in the reverse order.


8 posted on 03/03/2011 1:10:40 AM PST by Vendome (DonÂ’t take life so seriously... YouÂ’ll never live through it.)
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Why be worried if someone thinks you a nut because of who owns the company? Bottom line is that if you don’t feel good with it you won’t like the gun.

The Kahr PM40 was the only gun I ever traded-in because it sucked. Always jamming, and the magazine lip would split!!

My shop sent it back to Kahr. When it came back in I took it right out to the range in the store - same crap.

I took it back inside and said, let’s see what I can trade it for.

Ruger LCP is currently going for $299. I don’t have one (I carry a 340PD) but my son does and he likes it.


12 posted on 03/03/2011 1:48:09 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Why are public employee unions attacking taxpayers?)
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Shoot the hell out of it at first. Kahrs have very stiff actions and loosen up after about 200-300 rounds.


18 posted on 03/03/2011 4:11:58 AM PST by edpc (Tagline under construction: Your American Recovery and Reinvestment Act dollars at work.)
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Depending upon your needs and patience, there are reasons other than Moon's ownership of Kahr that may lead you to consider something else: Kahr pistols do not shoot well out of the box. As clearly stated in the product literature, there is a break-in period of at least 200 rounds and according to many reviews widely available on-line, the break-in period may require as many as 1000 rounds or even more before the firearm feeds ammo reliably.

Kahr firearms are expensive and for that kind of money, I expect them to go bang right out of the box every time I pull the trigger. They do not, which is why I recently purchased the Springfield XD9 Subcompact for everyday carry over the Kahr (and Walther), and I am confident that I made the right decision for me: I have now fired 550 rounds through the XD9 Sub using various grades of ammo and I have yet to experience any problems of any kind whatsoever (other than my inconsistent aim).

19 posted on 03/03/2011 4:40:37 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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I commend you for being aware of what your dollars are supporting. I enjoy shooting XD so much I bought one for my wife, now I can shoot the 40 and the 9.


20 posted on 03/03/2011 4:53:23 AM PST by st.eqed
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Sig Arms has a plant in NH, USA - you can buy American in that brand also


21 posted on 03/03/2011 5:03:13 AM PST by Peet (Leftists think personal liberty is so important it must be carefully rationed.)
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I have a KAHR MK-9 and my only complaint is the weight.

FWIW it only comes with an owners manual, there are no religious flyers included......

22 posted on 03/03/2011 5:04:45 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Oh Magoo, you've done it again.....)
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This is only an issue if your principles matter to you. If they don’t enjoy your Kahr.


23 posted on 03/03/2011 7:05:57 AM PST by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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I don’t believe Kahr is actually owned by the Unification Church. Justin Moon, the son of Sun Myung Moon is the major shareholder in the company. He’s an American citizen and has lived here since he was 4 years old. Whether or not any of the profits from Kahr arms end up supporting the Unification Church, I have no idea. It doesn’t matter that much to me.


25 posted on 03/03/2012 10:29:51 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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