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What's Obama's Birther Legal Bill?
Mother Jones ^ | 1-26-10 | Stephanie Mencimer

Posted on 01/31/2010 4:42:58 PM PST by STARWISE

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Is this a hoax???

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VERY QUIETLY OBAMA’S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT

To:
President Barack Obama
Sen. Richard Durbin
Sen. Roland Burris
Rep. Bobby Rush

January 11, 2010

VERY QUIETLY OBAMA’S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT
AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s qualifications for the presidency, the group “Americans for Freedom of Information” has Released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College . Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.
This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama’s detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama’s legitimacy and qualification to serve as President. An article titled, “Obama Eligibility Questioned,” is leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama’s first official visit to the U.K. In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama’s legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey . This lawsuit claims Obama’s dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio’s case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama’s citizenship or qualification to serve as president.

Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama’s campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent
upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter.

LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS, THE MEDIA WON’T !

Subject: RE: Issue of Passport?

While I’ve little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question: What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi ?

So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later? And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, Jakarta , and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration? The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama’s citizenship a rather short and simple one.

Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
A : Yes, by his own admission..

Q: What passport did he travel under?
A: There are only three possibilities.
1) He traveled with a U.S. . Passport,
2) He traveled with a British passport, or
3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
A: No.. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State
Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.

Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport..

If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he were traveling
with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.

Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and 2008..

Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.

If you Don’t care that Your President is not a natural born Citizen and in Violation of the Constitution, then Delete this and go into your cocoon.

If you do care then Forward this!

Orland Park , IL


41 posted on 01/31/2010 7:54:52 PM PST by danamco
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To: DaGman
Who is wasting the money? Obama is.

For about $50 and a nod to his secretary he could easily produce the documents that would prove his natural born citizenship.

An honest man would be **HONORED** to promptly provide all documentation to prove he was a natural born citizen and eligible to occupy the White House.

What does Obama’s behavior say about his honesty? Why should we accept that he is a natural born citizen after this much obfuscation and stonewalling?

What does it say about those who defend him?

42 posted on 01/31/2010 7:57:28 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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Funny thing - about $12 and postage to Hawaii would fix the problem for the great O permanently... but he hasn’t done it...


43 posted on 01/31/2010 8:08:31 PM PST by az_gila (AZ - one Governor down... we don't want her back...)
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To: wintertime

I could say Obama’s already produced the necessary documentation, but that would be a waste of time.


44 posted on 01/31/2010 8:23:38 PM PST by DaGman
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To: DaGman

You can say anything you like. That doesn’t make it correct.


45 posted on 01/31/2010 8:28:32 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: STARWISE
Ergo, WND concluded, Obama must be devoting that entire $1.7 million to crushing birthers in court. This is a ridiculous claim: Even after an election is over a presidential campaign has plenty of need for lawyers as it winds down operations and meets campaign finance law requirements.

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I found the above statement interesting.

I wish the author would explain in more detail about the work that high-priced lawyers would need to do for Obama AFTER the campaign was over, and why the high-priced lawyers would present such big bills to Obama or to his campaign after the campaign was over. Just food for thought.

46 posted on 01/31/2010 9:00:51 PM PST by john mirse
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To: STARWISE
A US District Court judge dismissed the "frivolous" case and reprimanded the 83-year-old lawyer for filing it. Nonetheless, Hemenway appealed, prompting Bauer to send him a letter warning that Obama would seek sanctions if he pursued the matter.

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I'm not sure if it was this case or another case, but, as I recall, Obama's lawyers threatened to have the anti-Obama lawyers pay the Obama's lawyers fees if the anti-Obama lawyers did not drop the case.

I don't know what happened, but it would have been interesting to see the amount of the bill that the pro-Obama lawyers would have submitted to the court.

I bet the bill would have been a lot more than the $10 dollars that it would have cost Obama to get his long form birth certificate from Hawaii. With the public display of that $10 birth certificate, Obama could finally put this Obama birth certificate issue to rest.

47 posted on 01/31/2010 9:12:16 PM PST by john mirse
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To: LucyT

Just heard Phil Burg say on the Billy Cunningham show it is around $ 1.6 million.


48 posted on 01/31/2010 9:19:04 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: STARWISE
But in fact the opposite may be true: The birthers' own copious legal bungling could wind up costing them more than Obama will have to spend defending himself.

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I believe that Obama is a liar and a fraud because he won't release his Hawaii long form birth certificate and his college records.

That being said, it is sad that Obama has forced American citizens to spend thousands of dollars in court so that they can examine a long form birth certificate that Obmaa can release publicly or get a copy of for the huge sum of around $10.

What a sad president this President Obama.

49 posted on 01/31/2010 9:20:15 PM PST by john mirse
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To: American Constitutionalist

Bill has a good show running tonight don’tchaknow. But can you believe the global warming/Polar Bears in peril lie commercial now on?!!!


50 posted on 01/31/2010 9:26:08 PM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
I didn't even notice it, because my ears only focus when the show comes back from a commercial...
51 posted on 01/31/2010 9:34:55 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: STARWISE
During Obama's 2008 run for the White House, his campaign and a host of other credible sources repeatedly debunked the conspiracy theory that Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii, and was thus ineligible to serve as president.

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I find statements like the one above fascinating.

That is, I wonder how people can be so positive that Obama was born in Hawaii---or any where else---if they have not seen Obama's Hawaii long form birth certificate that has the doctor's signature and the hospital name.

However, if the people mentioned above have been allowed by Obama to see his Hawaii long form birth certificate, then why can't the rest of America see it?

My theory is: None of the people mentioned in the statement above have seen Obama's long form birth certificate, and so there is no way they can know for sure where Obama was born.

52 posted on 01/31/2010 9:47:37 PM PST by john mirse
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To: STARWISE
If you had, you would have learned of the Birther Case Scorecard, and learned that Obama only hired personal attorneys in 3 of the 64 Birther lawsuits.

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Obama paid lawyers in 3 of 64 lawsuits?

Just wondering: How much did it cost Obama and/or the Democratic Party to pay lawyers in those 3 cases mentioned above?

I bet it cost more than the $10 it would have cost Obama to get a copy of his Hawaii long form birth certificate---the one with the doctor signature and the hospital name---and show it to the American people.

53 posted on 01/31/2010 9:57:02 PM PST by john mirse
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To: STARWISE
During Obama's 2008 run for the White House, his campaign and a host of other credible sources...."

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Is the writer unbelievably claiming above at the beginning of the article that Obama's campaign is a CREDIBLE SOURCE that proved that Obama was born in Hawaii?

Do I start laughing now or wait until later?

Obama's campaign a credible source? Yeah, right.

54 posted on 02/01/2010 12:16:39 AM PST by john mirse
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To: WhiskeyX
So, he's hiding the Indonesian papers as well.

Who, What, Where, Why!

I suppose they don't teach that in J school anymore.


So we cant "prove" that he's not. That still does not "prove" that he is a NBC.

Maybe we should allow brain surgeons to operate until someone can "prove" that they aren't brain surgeons.

55 posted on 02/01/2010 1:25:08 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:31 Behold, I am against you," O " you most proud, said the said the Lord GOD of hosts)
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To: danamco

It’s the April Fools Day letter again. I particularly like the part about Obama applying for a Fulbright scholarship to go to Occidental, despite the fact that Fulbrights are only for graduate and post-graduate students, not undergrads.


56 posted on 02/01/2010 1:41:45 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
It’s the April Fools Day letter again. I particularly like the part about Obama applying for a Fulbright scholarship to go to Occidental, despite the fact that Fulbrights are only for graduate and post-graduate students, not undergrads.

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So what is your theory as to how Obama paid his way at private Occidental College in California?

I was thinking: If Obama went to an expensive school in Hawaii, I would think that his family paid a lot of tuition.

If true that Obama's family paid a lot in tuition at the Hawaii school, then I wonder how they could afford to pay Obama's expenses at private college Occidental College in California. Just wondering.

57 posted on 02/01/2010 2:02:58 AM PST by john mirse
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So what is your theory as to how Obama paid his way at private Occidental College in California?

His grandmother was a bank vice president. His mother worked for USAID and the Ford Foundation. So the family wasn't exactly poor. He would have qualified for scholarships as a black American student, a status for which there are a lot more scholarships than foreign students), and he could have simply gotten student loans like most people at that time did.

Whatever the case, he did not get a Fulbright Scholarship as this letter claims.

58 posted on 02/01/2010 7:54:27 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: rtbwood
how he went to Pakistan in 1981 when US citizens couldn’t go to Pakistan then.

This myth has been busted for quite some time. There was never any prohibition on traveling to Pakistan in 1981.

59 posted on 02/01/2010 8:46:45 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
To: john mirse So what is your theory as to how Obama paid his way at private Occidental College in California?

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His grandmother was a bank vice president. His mother worked for USAID and the Ford Foundation. So the family wasn't exactly poor. He would have qualified for scholarships as a black American student, a status for which there are a lot more scholarships than foreign students), and he could have simply gotten student loans like most people at that time did.

Whatever the case, he did not get a Fulbright Scholarship as this letter claims.

58 posted on February 01, 2010 10:54:27 AM by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies] *******

I'm saving the above post so that if we ever see Obama's Occidental records and see how he paid for his education there, I can bring it back up to see if the poster is correct on his theory as to how Obama was paying for his education at Occidental College in California.

60 posted on 02/01/2010 9:44:55 AM PST by john mirse
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