Posted on 11/24/2009 9:55:42 AM PST by STARWISE
It is a popular topic of discussion in political circles these days, and as the weeks pass more and more people are asking, Is Barack Obama really a natural born citizen of the United States?
Is he eligible to serve as President, or isnt he?
If he is, then so be it. Well just have to grit our teeth until this long dark nightmare comes to an end one way or another.
But what if he is not eligible? What then? Well, in that case we have a problem a very large problem, the solution to which could tear asunder the fabric of American society.
Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution states that, No person except a natural born citizen shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.
Thats pretty straightforward, yet, when confronted with the possibility that the man who sits in the Oval Office may be a usurper, a great many otherwise patriotic Americans can be heard to say, What difference does it make? The elections over; the people have spoken. Get over it!
Well, its not quite as simple as all that and the sooner we can all be satisfied that Obama is or is not a natural born citizen, the better. To postpone that finding for a year or two and then find, conclusively, that Obama is not eligible to serve as president would be disastrous.
Every new law and every executive order he had signed, every political appointment, every judicial appointment, every order he had given to the military, and every act and every decision of all of his appointees would immediately become null and void. How could we ever undo all of that?
*snip*
So it is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan in 1981.
What is not established, and what is critically important, is what passport he used during that trip. There are only three possibilities:
Obama could have traveled under a U.S. passport a passport first issued when he and his mother moved from Hawaii to Indonesia in 1967; he could have traveled under an Indonesian passport, issued following his adoption by his Indonesian stepfather; and it is conceivable that, if he was, in fact, born in Kenya in 1961, he could still have been a British subject, traveling with a British passport.
So which is it?
Unfortunately for Obama, in the present circumstance, Pakistan was under martial law in 1981 and certain undesirables Christians, Jews, and Americans were prohibited from entering the country. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Departments no travel list, making a U.S. passport no more valuable than an empty chewing gum wrapper at the Karachi Port of Entry.
So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?
And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi, what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration? The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers.
It makes the debate over Obamas citizenship a rather short and simple one.
Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
. A: Yes, by his own admission.
. Q: What passport did he travel under?
. A: There are only three possibilities.
. 1. He traveled with a U.S. passport,
. 2) He traveled with a British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesian passport.
. Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. passport in 1981?
. A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Departments no travel list in 1981.
Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.
If he was traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he was traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.
Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a natural born American citizen between 1981 and 2008. Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better. Is he a natural born citizen, or isnt he?
It seems pretty clear from the available evidence that he is not. If that proves to be the case he should minimize the damage to the country and follow the Nixon example; he should simply resign from office so that we can begin to clean up the mess he leaves behind.
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Obama Offers Wild Revision of His Own History
by Paul R. Hollrah
03/27/2007
Tuning in to C-SPAN recently, I found myself listening to a speech by Illinois Democratic Sen. Barack Hussein Obama. He was standing at the pulpit of a black church in Selma, Ala., and as I studied the body language of the dozen or so black ministers standing behind the senator, I couldnt help but be reminded of the little head-bobbing dolls that people used to place in the rear windows of their 1957 Chevrolets. If their reactions are any indication, the new Schlickmeister of the Democratic Party is actually a pretty accomplished public speaker.
However, as he spoke, I found my B.S. alarm going off repeatedly. But I couldnt quite figure out why until I actually read excerpts of his speech several days later. Heres part of what he said:
Something happened back here in Selma, Ala. Something happened in Birmingham that sent out what Bobby Kennedy called ripples of hope all around the world. Something happened when a bunch of women decided they were going to walk instead of ride the bus after a long day of doing somebody elses laundry, looking after somebody elses children.
When [black] men who had Ph.D.s decided thats enough and were going to stand up for our dignity, that sent a shout across oceans so that my grandfather began to imagine something different for his son. His son, who grew up herding goats in a small village in Africa, could suddenly set his sights a little higher and believe that maybe a black man in this world had a chance. . . .
So the Kennedys decided were going to do an air lift. Were going to go to Africa and start bringing young Africans over to this country and give them scholarships to study so they can learn what a wonderful country America is.
This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets and came over to this country. He met this woman whose great-great-great-great-grandfather had owned slaves. But she had a good idea there was some craziness going on because they looked at each other and they decided that we know that, [in] the world as it has been, it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child. There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Ala., because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama, Jr., was born. So dont tell me I dont have a claim on Selma, Ala. Dont tell me Im not coming home to Selma, Ala.
Okay, so whats wrong with that? It all sounds goodbut is it?
Obama told his audience that because some folks had the courage to march across a bridge in Selma, Ala., his mother, a white woman from Kansas, and his father, a black Muslim from Africa, took heart. It gave them the courage to get married and have a child. The problem with that characterization is that Barack Obama, Jr., was born Aug. 4, 1961, while the first of three marches across that bridge in Selma didnt occur until March 7, 1965, almost four years after Obama was born.
Obama went on to tell his audience that the KennedysJack and Bobbydecided to do an airlift. They would bring some young Africans over so that they could be educated and learn all about America. His grandfather heard that call and sent his son, Barack Obama, Sr., to America.
The problem with that scenario is that, having been born in August 1961, the future senator was not conceived until sometime in November 1960. So, if his African grandfather heard words that sent a shout across oceans, inspiring him to send his goat-herder son to America, it was not Democrat Jack Kennedy he heard, or his brother Bobby, it was Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower.
Obamas speech is reminiscent of Al Gores claim of having invented the Internet, Hillary Clintons claim of having been named after the first man to climb Mt. Everest (even though she was born five years and seven months before Sir Edmund climbed the mountain), and John Kerrys imaginary trip to Cambodia.
As one of my black friends, Eddie Huff, has said, We need to ask some very serious questions of the senator from Illinois. Its not enough to be black, its not enough to be articulate, and its not enough to be eloquent and a media darling. . . . The only question will be how deaf an ear, or how blind an eye, will people turn in order to turn a frog into a prince.
It appears that Sen. Barrack Hussein Obama is not the fresh face media sycophants like to describe him as. Hes just another in a long line of Democratic snake-oil salesmen.
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FamilySecurityMatters.org Contributing Editor Paul Hollrah is a Senior Fellow at the Lincoln Heritage Institute.
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Every indication out there is that Obama has something to hide - to wit: he is NOT eligible to be POTUS, he was NOT born in the US and he is a liar and usurper.
MANY of us here have raised these issues before and been flamed for them. It’s interesting to see that the more the DBM ignores them, the more interest they create.
P4L
. A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Departments no travel list in 1981.
Pakistan was on a “travel advisory” list in 1981, meaning the State Department didn't think it was safe. It was not on a “no travel” list.
It is little salient facts like these, that are actually NOT facts, passed around without comment or correction among the ‘birther’ or ‘natural born’ crowd that tend to make them observed as NOT SERIOUS commentators, but shills for anything that advances their agenda; true or not.
No doubt I will be attacked for making a valid correction. Such is life among the ‘natural birthers’. Pointing out facts that they don't want to hear makes one an “0-bot” or some such.
Sorry. But passing out easily dismissed lies as if they were true discredits you to any serious observer who knows the truth. Attacking those who point out to truth to you doubly discredits the movement.
Beat me to it...
I've read that no one in D.C. will ever remotely touch this issue, as it is presumed that if ANY challange to BHO's presidency actually arises in the public arena, that there will be utter anarchy in America, with race riots from coast to coast. Violence that cannot be contained, stretching on for many many many months.
Therefore, it doesn't matter what the TRUTH is about the Kenyan -- the Democrats knew they couldn't possibly win without the black vote, and all the rest is history.
Hopefully, what happens in 2010 will turn the tide in favor of an AMERICAN presidential candidate in 2012.
Somewhat related and hopefully not too far off topic, another video by the infamous Rev. manning.
He’s claiming to have been paid a visit by DHS agents, and expects to be arrested soon.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=11c_1258563255
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This is not a unreasonable thing to ask of someone running for President since being a "natural born citizen" of the US is a constitutional requirement for the job. It's not hateful, and it's not racist...it's constitutional.
Proving that you are should be an honor.
Yet he will not produce either. Why?
The longer it goes wityhout him doing this, the more insistent the demands for it will become. Obama cannot hide from proving his constitutional qualification once people in any numbers seriously doubt it.
BTW, under what conditions and with what financial aid did Obama attend college? And when he traveled to Pakistan while in college, under what conditions and what passport did he use to do so? Again, relatively simple things to put to rest...but they have not been put to rest. To the contrary, they've been covered up.
Reasonable people simply want to know why?
THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S UPBRINGING
Only his hairdresser knows for sure.
I suggest that Barack Obama continuing as president will bring much of the same “mess” that they fear exposing him will bring.
Marxism and the shredding of our Constitution is unlikely to bring peace and calm to the country. More likely a civil war, riots and unrest.
I would hardly call it a lie, but like his Internet-posted COLB (which WAS a deliberate lie), the travel ban has been assumed as factual by the persistent reporting of it. I have not seen proof of the travel ban yet.
Pakistan was NOT on a ‘travel ban’ or ‘no travel’ list at that time.
This is one of the EASY ones.
That it is “assumed to be factual by the persistent reporting of it” couldn't be a more damning indictment of the entire movement. They assume things are true that are not, they persistently repeat it until people assume it is true, and many attack anyone who points out that, in fact, it is a lie.
Only those that “cleansed” his whole life know the truth. Why aren’t our intelligence agencies and law enforcement personnel not investigating and exposing this???
Slick.
I posted the piece .. I didn’t write it.
Do you know what passport he used ?
Did you know it to be a lie when you posted it?
Are you willing to admit here and now that Pakistan was not on a ‘travel ban’ at that time?
Accusing someone of lying is vastly different that stating that someone has made a factual error.
Did you know it to be a lie when you posted it?
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Absolutely not.
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