Posted on 09/21/2009 6:03:05 PM PDT by patlin
I will be assisting one of my readers in filing litigation in Hawaii state circuit court pursuant to her ongoing request for public information denied by Hawaii officials. (Readers of my blog will recognize her as MissTickly aka TerriK.)
Correspondence sent to TerriK by Hawaii officials indicates that President Obama’s vital records have been amended and official records pertaining thereto are maintained by the state of Hawaii.
(Excerpt) Read more at naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com ...
Get him, Leo!
Let us hope there is not a loophole the size of Alaska for the State of Hawaii to walk through on this one.
The million dollar question! When Fukino made that very public statement I thought there was opportunity to pursue the truth through some legal means.
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This just keeps getting better and better. For my part, I’m convinced he’s an illegal, and clearly ineligible to hold the office he currently occupies.
Keep the heat on him. The truth will come out.
One more ping.
"This was not originally an action to reveal his actual BC and personal vital records info...the original requests were for records pertaining to whether he requested his file for the purpose of amending and whether he did amend... the actual contents of his personal vital records are protected, she wasnt asking to see those. She was asking whether he paid any fees to amend them and whether they had been amended... not the contents of the amendments.
"However, I am going to raise the issue that since Fukino made a public statement about his place of birth, then all records viewed by her for the purposes of making that statement are supposed to be made public under 92F-12(15), information required to be made public. Regardless, the other statement she made about him being a natural born citizen involves a whole other can of worms concerning the advice of the Attorney General and it is the AG opinion letter that we are really after and which was denied to TerriK. The statutory and case law indicates that this information MUST be made public. That means we should get an answer as to what definition of nbc Fukino used to make that statement."
Of course his birth record was amended, he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro. An adoption begets an amended birth record.
For those that are following the story, you know BO Sr. did not respond to his divorce summons. I think we can reasonably assume BO Sr. did not respond to an adoption summons. Consequently, BO Sr. could have objected to the adoption when he found out about it.
But the Soetoro Family didn’t worry about it because they were moving to Indonesia to spend the rest of their lives there. Why wouldn’t Ann Soetoro renounce Barry’s US citizenship? Barry had to have Indonesian citizenship to attend public school. Besides, if they went back to Hawaii, BO Sr. may show up and take Barry away from them.
Little did Ann and Barry know that a few years later the marriage to Lolo would begin to fail. Ann had to figure out a way to get Barry back to Hawaii without BO Sr. finding out and taking custody of Barry. So Ann used her contacts with the Ford Foundation to have Barry declared as an orphan or abandoned child with a US citizen grandmother back at Hawaii.
As a service to Madelyn Dunham, the US State Department began expediting refugee travel papers for Barry to get him to his grandmother in Hawaii. Not only would taxpayers pay for Barry’s flight, refugee travel documents, but also an escort to make sure the grandmother took guardianship of Barry.
Barry used his refugee status to take advantage of scholarships and other grants reserved for orphaned or abandoned children from third world countries.
From one of the comments on Leo’s site............
Justin Riggs Says:
September 21, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Can’t wait to see the correspondence.
If you need it, I have email correspondence between Janice Okubo and myself in which she states that Ms. Fukino’s statement was “reviewed and approved” by HI’s Attorney General. Let me know if you would like me to forward it on to you.
[Ed. Excellent. E mail that over to me Justin, your research has been very helpful.]
Thanks, LucyT
Ping.
Bump Dat...
that sounds like a life-saver to me, otherwise Fukino might be able to maintain she was misquoted by the journalist who wrote the Honolulu Advertiser article:
Miss Okubo also stated that the only BC’s they ever release are the COLBs. I called vital records immediately and found out that is NOT TRUE. So I take everything the Hawaiian dingbats say with a grain of salt.
OR the entire salt shaker......When it rains it pours.....
I am a BIG fan of Miss Tickly ! I actually employed an attorney to scrutinize the ENTIRE UIPA manual in the hopes that I could request documentation under their own guidelines and statutes and rec’d a message from a State appointed attorney that due to the provision for documents to be sealed by a court order (as Mr. Transparency as done), these otherwise available records must be kept private !
VERY frustrating ! My prayers and wishes are with you in the successful pursuit of your endeavors ! Respectfully, r55
Because under US law, a parent cannot renounce the citizenship of a child. The child can't do it for themselves either, generally until they are 18.
Kinda blows your whole theory doesn't it.
Yes it's true that Lolo may have declared Barry to be adopted, and he may have been adopted, either in Hawaii, or Indonesia. Either way, it would not change Barry's citizenship under US law, Nor would any naturalization in Indonesia, in spite of Indonesian law. See State Department 7 FAM 1290
Of course what would be interesting if Barack Obama's legal name is really Barry Soetoro or if Barry himself had it changed back to Barack sometime within the last few years, especially if it was shortly before June 2007.
But as I see it there are only two ways BHO is not an NBC, one of which we know is true. One, he born outside the US, two, he was not born of two US citizens. Either is sufficient. Being outside the US is easier for most to understand, yet some even deny that that makes him not an NBC "since his mother was a citizen"(We know that is not enough to even be a citizen at all, let alone a natural born one). The double condition, parents citizens and born under US sovereignty, seems excessive to some, although it makes perfectly good sense if you put yourself in the position of the framers in 1787, who were worried primarily about foreign influence in the office of commander in chief.
The statement is also posted on the Health Department's website
It doesn't really matter what it "seems" or what we think made "good sense". It's not the law. It's not what "natural born citizen" means. The citizenship of the parents has no bearing.
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Oh, really? Tell me, then, how it is, that a simple, legal term of art in the Constitution came to mean born of citizen parents, if born outside the United States, as was John McCain?
It didn't, the bizarre presumption of our Senate in resolving such with SR 511 notwithstanding.
And yet, somehow, this same, simple, legal term of art somehow does a backflip for domestic births, and then has no bearing?
It doesn't, despite tortured interpretations invoking the 14th Amendment, which had and has absolutely nothing to do with eligibility requirements for election to the office of President.
Justice Joseph Story was born in Marblehead, Ma in 1779. He graduated 2nd in his class from Harvard University in 1798. From there, Joseph went on to read law under Samuel Sewell, a then congressman and later chief justice of Ma. Joseph later went on to read law under Samuel Pitman in Salem, Ma and with no formal secondary law education; Joseph was admitted to the bar 3 years later in 1801. He would later go on to serve in the Ma House of Representatives and also represent Ma in the US congress. Joseph was nominated to the Supreme Court by President James Madison and he took his oath of office in November of 1811 at the age of 32 and he still remains the youngest ever to serve on the Supreme Court.
It was in reading his works of Volume 3, Section 1472-73 of ‘The Founders Constitution: Commentaries on the Constitution’ originally published in 1833 and now provided online by none other than the University of Chicago (how fitting), Story writes of the qualifications of those who wish to attain election into the executive branch as laid out in A2 S1 C5 of the constitution.
§ 1472. Considering the nature of the duties, the extent of the information, and the solid wisdom and experience required in the executive department, no one can reasonably doubt the propriety of some qualification of age. That, which has been selected, is the middle age of life, by which period the character and talents of individuals are generally known, and fully developed; and opportunities have usually been afforded for public service, and for experience in the public councils. The faculties of the mind, if they have not then attained to their highest maturity, are in full vigor, and hastening towards their ripest state. The judgment, acting upon large materials, has, by that time, attained a solid cast; and the principles, which form the character, and the integrity, which gives lustre to the virtues of life, must then, if ever, have acquired public confidence and approbation.
§ 1473. It is indispensable, too, that the president should be a natural born citizen of the United States; or a citizen at the adoption of the constitution, and for fourteen years before his election. This permission of a naturalized citizen to become president is an exception from the great fundamental policy of all governments, to exclude foreign influence from their executive councils and duties. It was doubtless introduced (for it has now become by lapse of time merely nominal, and will soon become wholly extinct) out of respect to those distinguished revolutionary patriots, who were born in a foreign land, and yet had entitled themselves to high honors in their adopted country. A positive exclusion of them from the office would have been unjust to their merits, and painful to their sensibilities. But the general propriety of the exclusion of foreigners, in common cases, will scarcely be doubted by any sound statesman. It cuts off all chances for ambitious foreigners, who might otherwise be intriguing for the office; and interposes a barrier against those corrupt interferences of foreign governments in executive elections, which have inflicted the most serious evils upon the elective monarchies of Europe. http://constitutionallyspeaking.wordpress.com/2009/08/21/constitutional-nuclear-bomb-blasts-obamas-eligibilty-to-smithereens/
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Thank you bitt, I keep missing you but it’s my bedtime, lol.
Another thread you will like;
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2345143/posts
Thanks for the ping!
I have also wondered “If” Obama requested the form and where is the proof said form was issued and can Obama genuine COLB that can be verified.
I was not aware of 92F-12(15).
The mere fact that Obama's name does not show up in the spell checker proves he is a fraud! Delicious! The worm turns.
Can't wait for the drum roll to the theme song.
Thanks for the ping, bitt. I can’t shake the feeling that if 0’s documents are ever revealed, they’ll look exactly like he wants them to.
that is a great story. Where did it come from?
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In my research regarding the Hawaiian Vital Statistics office, they are renown for their sloppy record keeping. I offer the following from the book "In the Name of Hawaiians":
Let's say that an investigation uncovers that at one point in the 60s or 70s, the ORIGINAL birth certificate was lost due to internal clerical error. IOW, it's the Health Dept's fault, not Obama's. Health Dept policy likely would allow for subsequent affidavits from his mother and perhaps his grandmother to meet required an evidentiary paper trail. They're not going to arbitrarily yank away his (or anyone's) US citizenship due to their own error - they'll use their own procedural manual (Vital Statistics, Registration & Records, Chapter 117, Administrative Rules) to fix the problem.
How would that affect the eligibility suits (from a prima facie standpoint)?Although I am 99 percent sure Obama was NOT born in Hawaii, I'm trying to think ahead of potential obstacles they'd throw up to offer "plausible deniability" - and I see something like this as a likely result. I think that like nearly all of the other corruption surrounding him, there may be a "reasonable" and "innocent" explanation that doesn't implicate him to allow him a means to wiggle away. |
Further, the COLB process is used for same day requests and walk-ins. If a person wants a vital record with complete information they have a right to that record. It is a record of their identity.
If a BC is amended, most of the time, the information that results in an amended record can be accessed.
Arse; hole in ground -—— they are supposed to be different
That information is outdated and it depends on what the information is and the circumstances.
For Instance, I was adopted about the same time as Barry O.. There is no dispute in the adoption, the whole process was agreed to and there is no reason to keep the information private to protect anyone.
The same in Barry O.’s case. There was no dispute, the record is of vital interest to several concerned parties and the parties that could object are deceased.
Further, there is no reason to keep the record sealed, in opposition to lawful request, as there is no anonymous aspect to the parties. In other words, the parents are known or believed to be known and the circumstances protect no one, nor injure anyone should they continue as a sealed record or unsealed record.
I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night so I am pretty close to being an Attorney, thought not really.
Excellent work to stay ahead.
However, he won’t be able to slip away, and they won’t be able to offer plausible deniability if someone else has already managed to get their hands on the real mccoy.
http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2536&sid=8903cffcea191d07d67781a24664d53b
The best part is politically, he cannot survive slapping up a fraudulent document or one designed to deceive.
If his BC is amended he will be gone by Christmas, sadly. I wanted to go to the mat with him until next Christmas.
The range of delicious possibilities regarding the many incompetent politicians and their minions would make this the most historical time in the history of the US.
MLO:
You are missing the point of all this. We can find in jeopardy legally but the important part is what will happen politically and trust me, there is no way he is going to survive politically when we get what we want.
How convenient .. and certainly not out
of the realm of likelihood.
They lost his kindergarten records and his BC records? What year did they supposedly lose his record? Better be a slick year as he had to have one to enter the education system.
What BC did Barry O. use to enter college and obtain his first passport?
To bad about that house fire and the amazing coincidence of the lost kindergarten records and now the original BC records.
Did they lose just his?
Oh! Barry O. can produce the one he found among his mother's belongings. It seemed pretty important to him and he even wondered about his parents relationship and what was going at certain points.
Yeah, he said the following in his book:
“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It’s a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I’m left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father’s part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father’s imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents.”
From “Dreams From My Father” (Pg. 26 last paragraph)
Hey! Wouldn't it be cool if it matched the info on that fraudulent COLB.
It won't.
I hope you sent al correpsondance regarding that to ms tickly & leo donofrio
Plummz,
I was in correspondence regularly with TerriK (who had a screen name of Miss Tickly) when she was originally sending her UIPA requests into the Health Dept of HI.
Evidently, some members (possibly trolls) made some comments that offended her and she left the site for several weeks and sent me a notice that she was “lurking in the background”. I do not know if she can retrieve a message if I send it to “Miss Tickly”, but I’ll CC her anyway.
I’d have to go through a few hundred e-mails to find my correspondence with Janice Okubo and the Dept of Information attorney with whom I corresponded a few months ago.
My attorney stated that BO was protected by the Privacy Act statute that refers to a court order, which led me to believe that BO presented a court order to the State of HI and consequently, NO ONE can see his vital records, unless Terri and Leo (two BRILLIANT minds that could create a legal bombshell of synergism) can create a strong case and literally trap them in their own words and their own statutes and guidelines.
I did read some comments regarding the Health Dept failing to notify the Plaintiff about a right to an appeal, which could (actually “should”) be enforceable.
My concern is that the delays, when dealing with State issues, could serve to be virtually insurmountable. Andy Martin painstakingly drafted a 24 page suit explaining that Mr. Obama’s presidency is now a part of American Public History and these records cannot remain sealed, plus, as a journalist, he had a tangible interest, as would any writer documenting the birthplace of our President and he quoted applicable precedents, etc. and all that followed was a 30 minute dispute with the Attorney General in court and a dismissal. Linda Lingle, the Attorney General and the Judge would not hear his case and I believe his appeal was squashed.
There are VERY evil powers at work here. I greatly applaud anyone who ventures to assail the powers that be, but they will need have a relentless degree of fortitude.
I think Dr. Fukino should be sued INDIVIDUALLY for treating those with the courage to request this info with contempt and, in my opinion, she is guilty of discrimination and displays undue favorable bias toward our President.
It’s no secret that the statement she made was at the request of our “anything-but-transparent” administration ! Only a ‘coward’ would ask an easily manipulated and vulnerable State rep to make a three sentence statement and state “no further comments at this time.”
No press conference, no questions and NO documentation !
This is a despicable way to resolve an issue and ronically, the public swallowed it !
I have to close before I get too angry...thx for listening ! r55
Now don’t you need a Passport or similar document to make that transition from Indonesia to the U.S., Hawaii???
Interesting.
So now we have a cat fight between two hormones, between testosterone and hormones, between testosterone and testosterone (I wonder if spelled right?) where will it end???
So which name was used in school/college applications to game the system???
Thanks for the ping!
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