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What Michael Moore and Liberals Don’t (and Will Never) Understand About the Second Amendment
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Posted on 09/06/2005 11:52:50 AM PDT by freepatriot32

Some of the most heartening tales coming out of the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina are the tales of Americans standing up and taking responsibility for their own safety and survival rather than whining about “the government” not taking care of them.

The Washington Post reports that in Popps Ferry Landing, a neighborhood near Biloxi, Mississippi, the local neighborhood watch is keeping an armed night watch to prevent looters from invading the neighborhood. Following the looting of the local Dollar Store, neighbors who very rarely spoke to each other, got together to protect their own. They’re not going out hunting down anyone; they’re just camping out at their houses with their constitutionally protected firearms preventing the roving bands of criminals from destroying their peaceful middle class neighborhood.

It is times such as these, for which the Second Amendment is so important. In the aftermath of the greatest natural disaster in the history of this nation, it is the citizen himself that must stand in the breach of the wall of civilization, created by the storm and the consequent disorganization and lack of police presence, to protect himself from the anarchy which reigns in the world outside. These are the minute men of the 21st Century. These are ordinary middle class men, plumbers, engineers, managers, carpenters, and salesmen who have gotten out of their easy chairs and off their sofas, gone out into their neighborhood and introduced themselves to their neighbors. They have, in this time of danger decided, not to wait around to become a victim and then whine about why our government hasn’t done something to protect them, but to take responsibility for their own safety. Our Founding Fathers would not be proud of these men they would merely nod their heads in acknowledgement of men doing what should be expected of them.

It is precisely this for which the Second Amendment was designed. I know it’s difficult for Liberals to understand, but as we are seeing currently, we can’t always depend on the police. The Second Amendment is not, much to the chagrin of Liberals like Michael Moore, Al Gore, and John Kerry, about a person’s right to hunt; it is about the American citizen’s right to feel safe in their own residence. This fact which so sadly escaped the two last Democrat candidates for President is what made the images of John Kerry traipsing around in borrowed jacket with borrowed gun attempting to look like a hunter so hysterical to the gun owners of America. The N.R.A. is not about arming criminals like Michael Moore has inappropriately and inaccurately tried to portray in his crassly exploitive movie “Bowling for Columbine,” it is about educating the American citizen on the rights and responsibilities of gun ownership, the proper use and care of those firearms, and the protection, from those who would usurp those rights under the misapprehension that a gun-free state is a safe state, of those rights as guaranteed in the Bill of Rights.

It is true that guns are designed for the purpose of killing. They are the most efficient form of killing that the average citizen has available to them. They are also the most effective form of self defense the average citizen has available to them. In their absence, individuals, men, women, and children are at greater risk. To an unarmed man, alone on a road or in his house, a group of four or five (or even a couple) burly men intent on evil represent a real life threatening situation; to an armed man, or women, properly trained in the use of firearms, they become a manageable threat. In a society in which the criminal frequently has more rights than the victim, being armed should be, as the Second Amendment intends, an untouchable right. Carrying a firearm, whether concealed of openly, should not only be allowed, it should be encouraged. The fact of the matter is, the better armed the citizens of a community, the lower the crime rate, particularly the violent crime rate, of that community. Those cities like Washington D.C., New York, and possibly soon to be San Francisco, have the highest per capita violent crime rate in the nation.

As can be seen in the Popps Landing example, total dependence upon government agencies for our safety can quickly turn into a liability, if those agencies are overwhelmed by circumstances beyond anyone’s control. At a time when police response to emergency calls can be five to ten minutes (if not much longer) it is ludicrous for the American people to be forced to rely on the government for their protection, as the anti-gun lobby would have us do. That is a real path to the imprisonment of the average citizen inside their houses. In Britain, certainly there is a lower murder rate than in the U.S.A., but the overall violent crime rate is considerably higher than in America. Groups like Handgun Control International, Center to Prevent Handgun Violence, and Common Cause would have Americans surrender their rights to self-defense for the illusory concept of complete safety. There is no such thing as complete safety, and a person can be as easily and more surely killed by a knife as a gun. It has been stated by the Second Amendment lobbying groups so often as to become a trite saying, “if guns are outlawed; only outlaws will have guns.” Trite maybe, but also true, so true that it becomes a profound statement of universal truth. By definition, an outlaw, a law breaker, a criminal, does not care whether or not he is breaking the law by carrying a firearm. If a person has criminal intent, he will find a means to implement it.

These people, people of the left like Mr. Moore, are the same people who would have had us unilaterally disarm during the cold war in the face of a growing Soviet Nuclear threat. President Reagan, proved how mistaken the unilateralist’s position was by presiding over the first stages of the complete dismantlement of the Soviet Union. Unilateral disarmament in the face of a known threat is an invitation to victim hood. It is only by show of strength that threat can be countered. This is not some new “off-the-wall” concept, this is human nature at its very core. The anti-gun forces exhibit the same Pollyannaish naiveté of human nature that the Marxists do. There are and always will be predators in our society. It is the human nature of some to covet more than their “fair share.” The entire concept of “fair share” is faulty thinking based on the mistaken concept that material wealth is a zero sum game. It is also human nature for some in our society to desire that for which they are not willing to work. They are the predators which must be confronted in everyday life. If relying on the police was a successful concept, there would be no crime. No one would have to lock their door and a woman walking downtown after dark by herself would neither be uncommon nor foolish. Since not even the most rabid Liberal in society would consider that situation reasonable behavior, the basic premise of their arguments against guns is false. I dare say that Sarah Brady would not feel comfortable walking the dark alley ways of D.C. even though there are extremely strong anti-gun laws in place there.

There are no reasonable arguments in favor of gun control, only emotional ones. That is why one so often hears bogus statistics coming out of the anti-gun lobbyists. Thankfully, most Americans understand this concept and reject the irrational policies recommended by the gun haters. You will also hear them claim that they are not anti-gun, rather that they are only seeking to impose “reasonable” restraints on gun ownership. This is an evolutionary principle for them brought about through their numerous defeats, by gun owners, in their legislative endeavors. You will often hear them use the phrase “I am a hunter myself...” or “We’re not talking about taking away a hunter’s guns...” invariably followed by the word “but.” They then will use the phrase, “reasonable people,” or “reasonable restrictions,” so as to make it clear that only an “unreasonable” person would object to their efforts to restrict gun ownership.

In a society of law-abiding citizens, we have nothing to fear from an unrestricted right to gun ownership. Law-abiding citizens are by definition going to obey the law. By restricting their “right to keep and bare arms,” we only encourage law breaking by those same citizens. Laws are intended to preserve freedoms, not restrict them. In committing a crime, someone is infringing on the rights and freedoms of another. In an armed society, those who would seek to impose their will on another are significantly less inclined to do so. It is for that reason, that the citizens of Popps Ferry Landing will not have to worry about having their property destroyed or stolen, their families killed or injured by marauding bands of criminals. And the authorities will not be additionally burdened in the exercising of their duties responding to this crisis.

An armed citizenry is a safe and fearless citizenry.


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To: hiredhand; Dead Corpse

I started paintballing in '86 when I was 16. gave it up when I came down to fire-ant-land.

we played with little hand-cocked jobbies... the slickest thing any of us had was a "rat attack" fast-change 12gr co2 mount... "hoppers" were as yet unheard of... we made silencers out of PVC and steel-wool... stealthily stalking the prey in the woods was the height of the art - had no capacity to spray'n'pray, and there were no indoor courses or goofy inflatable barriers.

the guns have come a LONG way since last I played.
looks like if you don't have an $800 electric monster, minimum, you are gonna get your head handed to you.


81 posted on 09/06/2005 2:09:43 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: hiredhand
36. Never grew up and am in a holding pattern. I've been thinking of setting up my own range for dynamic entry, shoot/no shoot, and other tactical situations using paintball guns.

I tried getting in to paintball about 6 years ago. Picked up a pump as the semi's were still unreliable at the time and even more expensive than your A-5. Completely different animals these days.

I do have a Marui MP-5K softair. All metal with a side folder and removable mag. I've fired the real deal before and the weight and balance are dead on.

82 posted on 09/06/2005 2:11:41 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be. -El Neil)
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To: King Prout
E-bay.

Buy it now price of $300.

83 posted on 09/06/2005 2:14:20 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be. -El Neil)
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To: hiredhand

Good news!

If I freak out I might also yell "The Duck flies at midnight!"

Either way, remember I am "friend" ;)


84 posted on 09/06/2005 2:21:17 PM PDT by Shazbot29 (muhammed was the most evil person ever to live. May he burn in hell forever)
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To: Dead Corpse

I still live in fire-ant territory, dc ;)


85 posted on 09/06/2005 2:21:23 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: King Prout
I started paintballing in '86 when I was 16. gave it up when I came down to fire-ant-land. we played with little hand-cocked jobbies... the slickest thing any of us had was a "rat attack" fast-change 12gr co2 mount... "hoppers" were as yet unheard of... we made silencers out of PVC and steel-wool... stealthily stalking the prey in the woods was the height of the art - had no capacity to spray'n'pray, and there were no indoor courses or goofy inflatable barriers.

the guns have come a LONG way since last I played. looks like if you don't have an $800 electric monster, minimum, you are gonna get your head handed to you.


Yep. Things have changed a little since you played paintball. I don't have full auto capability on my gun, but it's VERY easy to add. There are two options for that particular gun. I'll probably stick to semi-auto. I've found that I do pretty well by staying calm, and keeping my gun on target. The kids with full auto guns who pray and spray very often LOSE to me. My saying with the kids is (I think a Tom Jefferson quote) "Youth and agility are no match against old age and treachery."

After I bought the gear, of COURSE my boys wanted in on the deal. They both had a budget of $150.00 each. One of my sons bought a fairly standard gun...a Spyder Victor-II...headgear, a spare 20oz tank and a 200 rd hopper for just under $150.00.

The other bought a Spyder "clone" which is electronic, so it has a switch for semi, 3 rd burst, or full auto. He got the gun, headgear, and a spare tank for under $150.00 too.

Speaking of silencers....BELIEVE it or NOT....it's ILLEGAL to fabricate one for a paintball gun. As stupid as it might sound, this is a fact. But that gun I posted the photo of (that looks like the M-4) has a bbl on it made by a company called "SmartParts". It's EXTREMELY quiet if you're on the receiving end. If I don't get "antsy" with the trigger, I can often take several people out of a group and never be seen...because it's very hard to hear! :-)

The prices are high (IMHO) but if you want to see a cool MILSIM paintball site, check out http://www.opsgear.com. Drill down into the site and check out the "scenario" kits for Tippmann A-5s. Like I said, they're prices are high, but it gives you an idea of what's out there. :-)
86 posted on 09/06/2005 2:22:52 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: Shazbot29
Good news!

If I freak out I might also yell "The Duck flies at midnight!"

Either way, remember I am "friend" ;)


LOL! "The Duck flies at midnight"?! Sheesh! Try saying that fast three times! ;-)
87 posted on 09/06/2005 2:24:46 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: hiredhand; Dead Corpse

I have long harbored a desire to design and build a pump-action paintball shotgun, firing 12 balls per shot, detachable magazine.

only problem: would require custom-molded sabots, which must be strong enough to withstand acceleration, but not so strong as to pose a risk to the target.

that makes life difficult.


88 posted on 09/06/2005 2:27:20 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: recce guy

Riiight! You mean like the Australians and British have rejected those attempts?

Canada, from my understanding has already outlawed a majority of weapons useful for self-defense.

HCI and the like, when they first became organized, did advocate total disarmament, they learned from their mistakes and so changed their tactics, but it is foolish to believe that they have changed their desires. There is no such thing as intelligent or reasonable controls on gun ownership where the LAW ABIDING American citizen is concerned.


89 posted on 09/06/2005 2:27:51 PM PDT by WillMalven (It don't matter where you are when "the bomb" goes off, as long as you can say "What was that?")
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To: hiredhand

the law is what my local cops say it is ;)

really - they don't bother honest citizens over BS regulations.


90 posted on 09/06/2005 2:28:39 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: All

gotta roll for now

ttyl


91 posted on 09/06/2005 2:29:44 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: Dead Corpse
36. Never grew up and am in a holding pattern. I've been thinking of setting up my own range for dynamic entry, shoot/no shoot, and other tactical situations using paintball guns.

I tried getting in to paintball about 6 years ago. Picked up a pump as the semi's were still unreliable at the time and even more expensive than your A-5. Completely different animals these days.

I do have a Marui MP-5K softair. All metal with a side folder and removable mag. I've fired the real deal before and the weight and balance are dead on.

No kidding?! The whole reason we invested in paintball gear is because we were practicing CQB with real weapons. With firearms, there's only so much you can do. You can't exactly shoot at each other. As it was, "Moms" were NOT allowed on the range! ...and they didn't want to be there either! There are six of us when we're all together.

Another problem is that you can't simply invite a "shooter" to come practice some CQB. It's a group dynamic that is built over time amongst those who practice together.

We wanted to get just a little more real, so we bought the paintball gear. It does INDEED toss a whole new dynamic into CQB! The only thing I'm critical of with my gun is that it's a few lbs light of that of the real M-4. I'm going to rectify that shortly though. :-)

AirSoft can also give a realistic CQB experience. We also practice "shoot/noshoot", tactical entry, "snipe the sentry", escape and evade, and hostage rescue. It's a blast. :-)

I've got a buddy who plays AirSoft and he told me that he's seen disputs about "hits" on the field. With paintball, it's hard to dispute a "hit". :-)
92 posted on 09/06/2005 2:33:31 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: King Prout
I have long harbored a desire to design and build a pump-action paintball shotgun, firing 12 balls per shot, detachable magazine.

only problem: would require custom-molded sabots, which must be strong enough to withstand acceleration, but not so strong as to pose a risk to the target.

that makes life difficult.

Hmmm...pump shotgun... I'm pretty new at paintball, but I know I've seen some pretty cool pump shotguns that shot .68 caliber paintballs. I think they also used 12 gram Co2.

OH HEY! Check this out! I was going to buy one of the RAP guns, but I would have depleted my ENTIRE budget on the gun alone...and I needed to get a gun...safety gear....and a couple of spare tanks. But have a look anyway. :-)

http://www.rap4.com/

There's a really cool video on the site somewhere. I've heard that THESE are what the Marines on board ships (guarding priority one resources) are practicing with...at least to some degree.
93 posted on 09/06/2005 2:40:02 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: King Prout
gotta roll for now

ttyl

Later! :-)
94 posted on 09/06/2005 2:40:56 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: hiredhand

Actually I have very "few" pics of working guns.....if ya had time to take pics ya weren't working per se......

M1A is just my choice due my prior purchases and experience, competition shooting and availablity of Magazines. Key to ones selection is that they can hit with what they brough and it goes bang every time when they need it to.

If funds were no object then 6 of every type of firearm ever made would be in my "arsenal of democracy"........:o)

I see lots of good things with the simple ruger 10-22 by the IDF by knee capping the little PLO Rock Chuckers..... Lots of things to consider but a little .22 Long Rifle goes a long way when one is up to their hips in trouble.


95 posted on 09/06/2005 3:24:22 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: WillMalven
The only thing you can't really own in Canada anymore is assault weapons. Hand guns, rifles and shotguns are of course still legal. Based on the amount of money wasted by our government on a useless piece of legislation they would be very hard pressed to get authorization to set up any more programs with the word "gun" in them. Everyone I have talked to is absolutely sick over the last fiasco. Especially considering what's happening in Toronto now.....proof that gun control doesn't stop criminals.

I can't even imagine what it would cost the US if they tried a similar scheme on a population that is 10 times the size of ours. BILLIONS.
96 posted on 09/06/2005 3:45:42 PM PDT by recce guy
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To: recce guy

Make no mistake the politicians & hangers on of gun control crowd want gun prohibition but they understand that if they come right out & say it they won't get anywhere. So trying to split hairs as to whether he (Michigan's version of Moby Dick) is a gun prohibitionist or just a "gun control" advocate.


97 posted on 09/06/2005 3:52:54 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: recce guy

Read their own press releases, listen to them when they make speeches . They view you as a mouth breathing knuckle dragging lout potential rapist/murderer/bank robber/terrorist. These people view those who disagree with them as evil incarnate, they are also hipocrites. As an example Ted Kennedy who has private goon squad's armed with firearms that are unlicensed escorting him around the country while as far as he is concerned you a wretched peasant should not be allowed to do anything but to call govt."dial-a-prayer" known as the 911 call center.


98 posted on 09/06/2005 4:06:19 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: Squantos
Also...WRT .22LR...I discovered a couple of summers ago that you can get just about 24,000 rounds in a 20MM can. :-) Not that you'd want to lug it around, but a person can carry a LOT of .22LR. :-)
99 posted on 09/06/2005 4:16:31 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: hiredhand

Quite the behive potential indeed !


100 posted on 09/06/2005 4:41:38 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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