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What Michael Moore and Liberals Don’t (and Will Never) Understand About the Second Amendment
http://mensnewsdaily.com ^ | September 06, 2005 | http://mensnewsdaily.com

Posted on 09/06/2005 11:52:50 AM PDT by freepatriot32

Some of the most heartening tales coming out of the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina are the tales of Americans standing up and taking responsibility for their own safety and survival rather than whining about “the government” not taking care of them.

The Washington Post reports that in Popps Ferry Landing, a neighborhood near Biloxi, Mississippi, the local neighborhood watch is keeping an armed night watch to prevent looters from invading the neighborhood. Following the looting of the local Dollar Store, neighbors who very rarely spoke to each other, got together to protect their own. They’re not going out hunting down anyone; they’re just camping out at their houses with their constitutionally protected firearms preventing the roving bands of criminals from destroying their peaceful middle class neighborhood.

It is times such as these, for which the Second Amendment is so important. In the aftermath of the greatest natural disaster in the history of this nation, it is the citizen himself that must stand in the breach of the wall of civilization, created by the storm and the consequent disorganization and lack of police presence, to protect himself from the anarchy which reigns in the world outside. These are the minute men of the 21st Century. These are ordinary middle class men, plumbers, engineers, managers, carpenters, and salesmen who have gotten out of their easy chairs and off their sofas, gone out into their neighborhood and introduced themselves to their neighbors. They have, in this time of danger decided, not to wait around to become a victim and then whine about why our government hasn’t done something to protect them, but to take responsibility for their own safety. Our Founding Fathers would not be proud of these men they would merely nod their heads in acknowledgement of men doing what should be expected of them.

It is precisely this for which the Second Amendment was designed. I know it’s difficult for Liberals to understand, but as we are seeing currently, we can’t always depend on the police. The Second Amendment is not, much to the chagrin of Liberals like Michael Moore, Al Gore, and John Kerry, about a person’s right to hunt; it is about the American citizen’s right to feel safe in their own residence. This fact which so sadly escaped the two last Democrat candidates for President is what made the images of John Kerry traipsing around in borrowed jacket with borrowed gun attempting to look like a hunter so hysterical to the gun owners of America. The N.R.A. is not about arming criminals like Michael Moore has inappropriately and inaccurately tried to portray in his crassly exploitive movie “Bowling for Columbine,” it is about educating the American citizen on the rights and responsibilities of gun ownership, the proper use and care of those firearms, and the protection, from those who would usurp those rights under the misapprehension that a gun-free state is a safe state, of those rights as guaranteed in the Bill of Rights.

It is true that guns are designed for the purpose of killing. They are the most efficient form of killing that the average citizen has available to them. They are also the most effective form of self defense the average citizen has available to them. In their absence, individuals, men, women, and children are at greater risk. To an unarmed man, alone on a road or in his house, a group of four or five (or even a couple) burly men intent on evil represent a real life threatening situation; to an armed man, or women, properly trained in the use of firearms, they become a manageable threat. In a society in which the criminal frequently has more rights than the victim, being armed should be, as the Second Amendment intends, an untouchable right. Carrying a firearm, whether concealed of openly, should not only be allowed, it should be encouraged. The fact of the matter is, the better armed the citizens of a community, the lower the crime rate, particularly the violent crime rate, of that community. Those cities like Washington D.C., New York, and possibly soon to be San Francisco, have the highest per capita violent crime rate in the nation.

As can be seen in the Popps Landing example, total dependence upon government agencies for our safety can quickly turn into a liability, if those agencies are overwhelmed by circumstances beyond anyone’s control. At a time when police response to emergency calls can be five to ten minutes (if not much longer) it is ludicrous for the American people to be forced to rely on the government for their protection, as the anti-gun lobby would have us do. That is a real path to the imprisonment of the average citizen inside their houses. In Britain, certainly there is a lower murder rate than in the U.S.A., but the overall violent crime rate is considerably higher than in America. Groups like Handgun Control International, Center to Prevent Handgun Violence, and Common Cause would have Americans surrender their rights to self-defense for the illusory concept of complete safety. There is no such thing as complete safety, and a person can be as easily and more surely killed by a knife as a gun. It has been stated by the Second Amendment lobbying groups so often as to become a trite saying, “if guns are outlawed; only outlaws will have guns.” Trite maybe, but also true, so true that it becomes a profound statement of universal truth. By definition, an outlaw, a law breaker, a criminal, does not care whether or not he is breaking the law by carrying a firearm. If a person has criminal intent, he will find a means to implement it.

These people, people of the left like Mr. Moore, are the same people who would have had us unilaterally disarm during the cold war in the face of a growing Soviet Nuclear threat. President Reagan, proved how mistaken the unilateralist’s position was by presiding over the first stages of the complete dismantlement of the Soviet Union. Unilateral disarmament in the face of a known threat is an invitation to victim hood. It is only by show of strength that threat can be countered. This is not some new “off-the-wall” concept, this is human nature at its very core. The anti-gun forces exhibit the same Pollyannaish naiveté of human nature that the Marxists do. There are and always will be predators in our society. It is the human nature of some to covet more than their “fair share.” The entire concept of “fair share” is faulty thinking based on the mistaken concept that material wealth is a zero sum game. It is also human nature for some in our society to desire that for which they are not willing to work. They are the predators which must be confronted in everyday life. If relying on the police was a successful concept, there would be no crime. No one would have to lock their door and a woman walking downtown after dark by herself would neither be uncommon nor foolish. Since not even the most rabid Liberal in society would consider that situation reasonable behavior, the basic premise of their arguments against guns is false. I dare say that Sarah Brady would not feel comfortable walking the dark alley ways of D.C. even though there are extremely strong anti-gun laws in place there.

There are no reasonable arguments in favor of gun control, only emotional ones. That is why one so often hears bogus statistics coming out of the anti-gun lobbyists. Thankfully, most Americans understand this concept and reject the irrational policies recommended by the gun haters. You will also hear them claim that they are not anti-gun, rather that they are only seeking to impose “reasonable” restraints on gun ownership. This is an evolutionary principle for them brought about through their numerous defeats, by gun owners, in their legislative endeavors. You will often hear them use the phrase “I am a hunter myself...” or “We’re not talking about taking away a hunter’s guns...” invariably followed by the word “but.” They then will use the phrase, “reasonable people,” or “reasonable restrictions,” so as to make it clear that only an “unreasonable” person would object to their efforts to restrict gun ownership.

In a society of law-abiding citizens, we have nothing to fear from an unrestricted right to gun ownership. Law-abiding citizens are by definition going to obey the law. By restricting their “right to keep and bare arms,” we only encourage law breaking by those same citizens. Laws are intended to preserve freedoms, not restrict them. In committing a crime, someone is infringing on the rights and freedoms of another. In an armed society, those who would seek to impose their will on another are significantly less inclined to do so. It is for that reason, that the citizens of Popps Ferry Landing will not have to worry about having their property destroyed or stolen, their families killed or injured by marauding bands of criminals. And the authorities will not be additionally burdened in the exercising of their duties responding to this crisis.

An armed citizenry is a safe and fearless citizenry.


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To: Squantos
Quite the behive potential indeed !

There aren't that many in that box now! When my daughter counted them and told me this, I relocated several thousand to "other locations". Sheesh....apply a little heat and that would be a MESS. :-)
101 posted on 09/06/2005 4:52:21 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: AAABEST; wku man; SLB; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; The Old Hoosier; xrp; freedomlover; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
102 posted on 09/06/2005 4:54:50 PM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: 2nd amendment mama; basil; dbwz; songbird51

103 posted on 09/06/2005 4:58:35 PM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA and SAS) WI Hunter Shootings: If you want on/off the WI Hunters ping list, please let me know.)
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To: freepatriot32

I am not enamored by the .223/5.56 black gun. I back everyones right to own these varmint rifles...but when everything goes south and I am on my roof protecting whats mine it will be with a brace of M1 Garands....a brace of original winchester '73's, a couple of enemic M1 carbines, a couple of 1911's, a trapdoor springfield, an 03-A3 and inumerable other handguns and shotguns (in semi-auto, pump side by side). I am considering buying what I consider 1 modern weapon. that would be an M1A.....I like the M14, it is just a sweet, shortened Garand chambered in .308.


104 posted on 09/06/2005 4:58:49 PM PDT by Vaquero (a red stater trapped in the body of a blue state.)
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To: Joe Brower

I agree with everything posted here except the head line.

I actually hold out hope that one day the liberals will get it.


105 posted on 09/06/2005 5:15:19 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Vaquero

.308 is a sweet lil round


106 posted on 09/06/2005 5:17:24 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: hiredhand

The best thing about an SKS is you can afford to buy enough to hand out to the neighbors if the SHTF I have 3 just for that reason.

They are bulky and prone to slamfires and arent the accuratest thing around but at 100 a pop and cheap to feed, everyone should have at least 2 L0L


107 posted on 09/06/2005 5:25:48 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: mylife
The best thing about an SKS is you can afford to buy enough to hand out to the neighbors if the SHTF I have 3 just for that reason.

They are bulky and prone to slamfires and arent the accuratest thing around but at 100 a pop and cheap to feed, everyone should have at least 2 L0L.


I've read about the slamfire problem...although we've NEVER had ours do this...and we've had them HOT before too! Also...with the "right" ammo, we've gotten MOA accuracy out of them at 200 yards!

I'm with you...everybody should have TWO and a stockpile of ammo!
108 posted on 09/06/2005 5:40:59 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: hiredhand

They usually slamfire due to being dirty. Since the firing pin is a floating inertia system there is no firing pin spring to retract the pin.

But you gotta really neglect the weapon to have this occur.

You mentioned that Yugo sks's have poor sights but were can you find a fully milled weapon with trintium night sights and a grenade launcher and Bayonet for 100 L0L

I know the trintium is spent but it still works on mine in low light levels.

I vote the Yugo SKS the best surplus rifle value on the market.
For Pistol Value its Star BM maybe makarov. There is no reason not to have a few ea (for your Freinds and neighbors) L0L

Molon Labe!


109 posted on 09/06/2005 5:51:46 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: mylife
They usually slamfire due to being dirty. Since the firing pin is a floating inertia system there is no firing pin spring to retract the pin.

But you gotta really neglect the weapon to have this occur.

You mentioned that Yugo sks's have poor sights but were can you find a fully milled weapon with trintium night sights and a grenade launcher and Bayonet for 100 L0L

I know the trintium is spent but it still works on mine in low light levels.

I vote the Yugo SKS the best surplus rifle value on the market.

For Pistol Value its Star BM maybe makarov. There is no reason not to have a few ea (for your Freinds and neighbors) L0L

Molon Labe!

I "doubt" ours are going to get THAT mucked up. I made SURE that the issued oilers are ON the sling....that they do NOT leak...and that they are full of GOOD gun oil! Also, the cleaning kits are in the stock! It's not a really good cleaning kit all by itself, but it's sufficient.

I gave one of these Yugos to my 15 year old a little over a year ago. It was the first center fire rifle that he really liked. So I gave him mine. Then I missed it and my wife bought me another one! Ya have to love a woman like that. :-) Anyway, I made sure the 15 yr old could maintain the rifle "according to the manual". It's not exactly the way I like to clean a rifle, but it's sufficient and he DOES get it clean in all the right places.

My neighbor liked our SKSs so much that HE bought one! ...and his came with the tritium sights! But like you said, they're about spent.

I would have to vote the Yugo SKS the BEST surplus rifle value on the market too!

I'm rather font of the "fold up pokey thing"...AKA bayonet. :-) I know the gun grabbers poo-poo at the thought of a good bayonet, but a big stick with a spear on the end is a FORMIDABLE weapon by itself!

Yep...it's a GREAT little rifle. :-)
110 posted on 09/06/2005 6:13:26 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: Nebr FAL owner
"Read their own press releases, listen to them when they make speeches."

I'll have to give you than one....The only thing I really know about Michael Moore is his film "Bowling For Columbine". I do know that this was not a gun control movie. It basically stated that fear mongering in the press and government has created an atmoshpere where citizens feel the need to go to great lenghts to protect themselves. To some extent he is probably right. It was clear he is not an NRA fan though. I obviously have no opinion on the NRA as it does not exist up here....as far as I know. Maybe it should make a move north and help us out too.
111 posted on 09/06/2005 7:10:40 PM PDT by recce guy
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To: hiredhand; King Prout; umgud; Dead Corpse
well since this turned into a gun porn thread i just thought i would add my pics this was goingot b e a birthday present to myself but iwont be anywhere near having enough money for it by then sio it will have to be a christmas present instead be warned you will probably drool so DO NOT have your face near the keyboard or it will short out.


112 posted on 09/06/2005 7:11:50 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Deep within every dilemma is a solution that involves explosives)
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To: mylife

"You mentioned that Yugo sks's have poor sights but were can you find a fully milled weapon with trintium night sights and a grenade launcher and Bayonet for 100 L0L"

can you freep mail me the answer to that question? tia :-)
Btw, what is MOA?


113 posted on 09/06/2005 7:16:56 PM PDT by lrb111
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To: freepatriot32

Wow...I wonder how much value would roll off of this peice just for firing it ONCE?!


114 posted on 09/06/2005 7:34:25 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: recce guy
I have a hard time believing these groups seek total disarmament but I don't pay much attention to them. Have any groups actually claimed this or is this just paranoid speculation. Total disarmament is a ridiculous position to take and would be impossible. Are they just seeking to have assault rifles banned or registration of hand guns or a total ban on all forms of weapons??

Well, you'd better believe it and you need to pay attention. Because I do pay attention when my rights as an American are under siege. Whether it's the Brady Bunch, the Million Moron March (give or take 997,000), Violence Policy Center, Americans for Gun Safety, or whoever. They all want firearms to be in the hands of the police and the military only. Some will admit it up front and some will lie about it, but total gun confiscation is the ultimate goal for all of them.

115 posted on 09/07/2005 1:01:46 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (Everyone should have a subject they are ignorant about. I choose professional corporate sports.)
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To: freepatriot32
...we can’t always depend on the police.

That's the understatement of the week. Just look at the NOPD. 400+ officers unaccounted for, which apparently includes much of the command staff.

116 posted on 09/07/2005 4:58:35 AM PDT by wysiwyg (What parts of "right of the people" and "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Great read ping! Thanks.


117 posted on 09/07/2005 6:37:09 AM PDT by Vor Lady (I'm too young to feel this d*&m old.)
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To: recce guy

"Is Michael Moore actually in favor of total disarmament or more gun control because there is a difference? I'm not a Michael Moore fan so don't flame me but I think it is important to accurately report a person's position on a given topic. I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, that gun control advocates are actually seeking some form of stiffer control....maybe not as bad as Canada but stiffer than the current US laws."

The point of "reasonable controls" on gun owners is to know who has the guns. Then, later, when you control the government and media better, you can go and take them. The Soviets and the NAZI's both used this tactic, to terrible effect. I side with the no controls at all crowd, personally. Use a firearm in a legitimate manner and you have no problem. Use one illegitimately, and get caught in the cross-fire from all the gun owners around you.


118 posted on 09/07/2005 8:05:20 AM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: Dead Corpse
FWIW - If you are concerned, you should cover your tat too - they can be identifying. I have tats, I know.
119 posted on 09/07/2005 9:31:28 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer
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To: Bear_Slayer
Nope. Not really. Check my profile page.

As long as y'all aren't leaving me naughty voice mails or planning a Zero-dark:30 no-knock raid on my residence, I could care less who knows who I am.

120 posted on 09/07/2005 9:52:14 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be. -El Neil)
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