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To: Brown Deer
“Could you please provide the readers with copies of the voluminous evidence?”

In opening this thread I have invited presentation and discussion of evidence that either Valerie Sarruf IS Barry's mom or evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT his mom. For you, I will restate the highlights of the voluminous evidence that Stanley Ann IS Barry's mom.

The U of HI, U of WA, FOIA INS docs, HI vital record index, divorce records all conclusively affirm that Stanley Ann was in Hawaii in parts of 1960, 1961 and 1962 and was associated with BHO Sr and possible FMD at that time. Most significantly, the FOIA INS docs affirm Stanley Ann as the mother of her baby named Barack Hussein Obama as early as August 1961.

Note that the INS FOIA docs destroy the "Dreams" narrative and the reputation of BHO Sr. showing him to have been suspected of getting not only 17-year-old Stanley Ann pregnant, but later a fellow Kenyan student who, though the account is partially redacted, was most likely sent to the UK for an abortion and returned to Kenya.

The FOIA INS docs reveal BHO Sr. having little concern for baby Barry and having actively discussed turning him over to the Salvation Army as of April 1961.

A marriage date of Feb. 2, 1961 is in the INS FOIA docs corroborating the date in the 1964 divorce decree and also corroborated by the existence of an HI marriage vital record for Stanley Ann and BHO Sr. Even though this marriage is most likely a legal nullity due to bigamy, in HI BHO Sr. is shown to have acknowledge himself to be the legal father of Barry, if all of these documents are genuine.

So whether or not BHO Sr. was the biological sperm donor or not he is, on the record, the legal father of Barry and she is the legal mother, affirmed by the 1964 HI divorce decree, (and finally, the Lolo divorce decree after Barry was 18 indicating she had custody when he turned 18).

40 posted on 08/01/2012 5:43:20 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

So, you have no actual evidence to share with us?

and you also admit that it’s just a fantasy of yours that FMD might be his father?


42 posted on 08/01/2012 5:48:26 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Seizethecarp
BHO Sr. is shown to have acknowledge himself to be the legal father of Barry, if all of these documents are genuine

To which documents are you referring? I have looked and cannot find any document in which Obama Sr. acknowledges himself to be the legal father of Barry.

On August 31, 1961, Obama Sr. filed an application to extend his visa. He stated “married” under marital status. In the space for wife, there is a name scratched out which is consistent with starting with a “K” and is about the right length for “Kezia Obama.” Next to the scratched-out words is “Ann S. Dunham, Honolulu, Hawaii.” The space for name and addresses of children is left blank. However, according to his purported birth certificate, BHO II was born weeks earlier.

On August 17, 1962, Obama Sr. filed an application to extend his visa. He stated “married” under marital status but left blank the space for name of wife. Under names and addresses of children he wrote “Roy Obama.”

On June 6, 1963 Obama Sr. filed an application to extend his visa. He left blank the space for children (and also omitted to mention any wife). There is a second handwriting on the form in which question marks are inserted in the spaces for name and address of wife and the words “he is married” appears.

In January 1964, Stanley Ann’s divorce petition alleged that they had a child BHO II. However, Obama Sr. never made answer to the divorce petition and he did not appear at the hearing in March 1964. It is notable that Stanley Ann did not seek child support against Obama Sr.; she may have known she was on shaky ground as to paternity and did not press the matter.

On April 21, 1964, Obama Sr. filed an application to extend his visa. There are two handwritings on this document – first, a faint one in all capitals in which his name and address and certain other information is filled in (but NOT children) and signed and second, a darker handwriting in which certain information and questions are further inserted in the document such as “Has one?” under social security number. The reference to BHO II is only in this second, darker handwriting (likely that of an INS person).

In various memos in the INS file there are indications that the INS personnel and university personnel at both UH and Harvard knew he had a child BHO II, so presumably he did not argue the point when raised in oral conversation.

Nevertheless, when the rubber hit the road, he never actually signed his name to any document by which he may have been admitting paternity.

And he never used the existence of the child, or even of a US wife, as an argument to extend his visa but always based his claim for his visa status on the grounds that he was a foreign student enrolled full-time at a university.

49 posted on 08/01/2012 7:06:22 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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