Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
So, you have no actual evidence to share with us?
and you also admit that it’s just a fantasy of yours that FMD might be his father?
I am trying to find out if there is any evidence to support the Mal-Val narrative that Sarruf is Barry's mom and what the details of that narrative might be, such as where Barry was supposedly born in the narrative, and how he came to be inserted into the US.
In the Mal-Val video link, Polarik says Barry was born in the ME (middle east) perhaps in Valerie's home country of Lebanon, in his version of the narrative.
Apart from that, if you look at the nude pictures closely in the area of her teeth, you can see that her upper left 2nd incisor is crooked, just like Stanley Ann's was at that age.
All an interested person has to do is web-search each of the associated declarative claims of the Mal-Val narrative that I listed and the hits will come up...along with the names of some of the more vocal “researchers.” Have at it!
You seem very interested in this thread seeking any evidence that Valerie Sarruf is Obama’s mother or that Stanley Ann is NOT Obama’s mother. Care to share why that is? Do you have any such evidence? Have you made any of the claims or supported any of the claims of the Mal-Val narrative “researchers” that I listed? Or did you just come on the thread to hijack it with misdirection?
To which documents are you referring? I have looked and cannot find any document in which Obama Sr. acknowledges himself to be the legal father of Barry.
On August 31, 1961, Obama Sr. filed an application to extend his visa. He stated “married” under marital status. In the space for wife, there is a name scratched out which is consistent with starting with a “K” and is about the right length for “Kezia Obama.” Next to the scratched-out words is “Ann S. Dunham, Honolulu, Hawaii.” The space for name and addresses of children is left blank. However, according to his purported birth certificate, BHO II was born weeks earlier.
On August 17, 1962, Obama Sr. filed an application to extend his visa. He stated “married” under marital status but left blank the space for name of wife. Under names and addresses of children he wrote “Roy Obama.”
On June 6, 1963 Obama Sr. filed an application to extend his visa. He left blank the space for children (and also omitted to mention any wife). There is a second handwriting on the form in which question marks are inserted in the spaces for name and address of wife and the words “he is married” appears.
In January 1964, Stanley Ann’s divorce petition alleged that they had a child BHO II. However, Obama Sr. never made answer to the divorce petition and he did not appear at the hearing in March 1964. It is notable that Stanley Ann did not seek child support against Obama Sr.; she may have known she was on shaky ground as to paternity and did not press the matter.
On April 21, 1964, Obama Sr. filed an application to extend his visa. There are two handwritings on this document – first, a faint one in all capitals in which his name and address and certain other information is filled in (but NOT children) and signed and second, a darker handwriting in which certain information and questions are further inserted in the document such as “Has one?” under social security number. The reference to BHO II is only in this second, darker handwriting (likely that of an INS person).
In various memos in the INS file there are indications that the INS personnel and university personnel at both UH and Harvard knew he had a child BHO II, so presumably he did not argue the point when raised in oral conversation.
Nevertheless, when the rubber hit the road, he never actually signed his name to any document by which he may have been admitting paternity.
And he never used the existence of the child, or even of a US wife, as an argument to extend his visa but always based his claim for his visa status on the grounds that he was a foreign student enrolled full-time at a university.
Valerie Jarrett’s father was an MD geneticist running an orphanage in Iran about the time Obama, or whois, was born. The “Boy’s from Brazil” come to mind?
That's the way it looks to me, but like I said, she may already have been pregnant as of before Halloween which is over a month before these Christmas-time pictures were taken.
Let's just say that this is a picture of an 18-year-old more likely to either get or be pregnant than your average girl the same age of that era, and this further supports the likelihood that she is Barry's mom regardless of who donated the sperm.
I agree with all of your observations, but I am looking at the legal fact of the bigamous marriage to which BHO Sr. agreed, doubtless knowing fully well she was pregnant. To me the implication is that it was probably either a “shotgun” affair for BHO Sr., or it was arranged to cover for FM Davis either for money or on possible orders from the KGB.
In any case when a guy marries a four month pregnant 18-year-old, it is an admission of paternity by the man, at least to the state department of vital records. And the admission by such a marriage knowingly seals legal paternity of the child born of that pregnancy as being the child of BHO Sr.
As a result of his agreement to marry SADO on an out-of-the-way island out of sight, he was able to remain single in public. BHO Sr. may not have known that the U of HI was feeding all of this incriminating information about his playboy ways and his marriage to the INS and thought it might make him look bad and get him deported if admitted fathering a son with an underage girl to the INS while married back in in Kenya. He was right, because that is what eventually got him kicked out of the country.
More misdirection.
Go back and look at the complete last sentence of my article at the top of the thread, not just the part you truncated to remove the context:
“Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.”
The doctrine regarding paternity of children born during a marriage to which you refer is legally a presumption, not an admission. These are two different concepts under the law. Marrying a pregnant woman is not technically an admission of paternity.
I happen to agree with you that the most plausible explanation is that he likely did marry her (or agree to pretend to be married) for the reason that at that time he was under the impression he was the father.
I think he came to suspect otherwise and thereafter did his best to ignore her and the child.
Someone is getting very tetchy and short fused for some reason.
Stanley Ann spent her entire adult life, beginning in Seattle in 1961, proclaiming the BHO sr was the father. She talked about how she couldn’t follow him to Harvard because, she alleged, there wasn’t enought financial aid. Obama at Harvard, according to the INS documents, agreed that he had a baby through Stanley Ann.
When did Obama Sr get wise? Why do BHO jrs relatives in Kenya to this day claim relationship through BHO sr? Why was Stanley Ann accepted by his family when she visited at a later date? (I don’t have the exact date of her visit, but it is documented to have occurred)
Oh I think SHE believed Obama Sr. was the father. Obviously she knew exactly which days she was messing around with Obama Sr. and which days she was messing around with Davis and had a good idea exactly when he was conceived, and to my mind she probably believed Obama Sr. was the father.
I think after Obama Sr. began to suspect he was not the father and put her and the child aside, she spent years trying to convince him he was indeed the father. I think ten years later when she heard he was coming back to Honolulu for a reunion with his UH pals, she rushed to Hawaii to intercept him and make sure that he spent some time with the kid. I suspect she always was convinced he was the father. And he may in fact be the father. To me, he looks more like Obama Sr. than Davis. However, I am not Maury Povich so I cannot say for certain which man was the father.
Obama at Harvard, according to the INS documents, agreed that he had a baby through Stanley Ann.
As I pointed out in a post above, Obama Sr. never signed any document that might be construed as an admission of paternity. In none of his visa extension applications, either for Harvard or UH, did he name BHO II as his child, even though he was required to list his children on the form.
Clearly, the INS and university personnel knew about the child by his US wife, and this must have been discussed orally with him. But as long as he didn't admit anything in writing, he always had a fall-back position available of disputing what exactly was said in these oral conversations if push came to legal proceeding (he said/he said).
When did Obama Sr get wise?
Sometime between the marriage date in February 1961 and August 31, 1961 when he did not list BHO II as his son on his visa extension. Likely, someone tipped him off as to Stanley Ann's relationship with Davis, and he grabbed hold of this "out" with respect to not having to step up and be the father.
Why do BHO jrs relatives in Kenya to this day claim relationship through BHO sr?
I suspect that she softened him by the time of that ten-year reunion in Honolulu. I think once he satisfied himself that she wasn't after any money that he was willing to play along for the sake of the poor kid.
Why was Stanley Ann accepted by his family when she visited at a later date? (I don’t have the exact date of her visit, but it is documented to have occurred)
Source and details?
However, in April or May he told the INS in Baltimore he was “separated” from his wife who was in the Philippines IIRC. This might be further evidence he was trying to intentionally distance himself from both Stanley and Barry and he may not have known about all of the notes in the INS files back in HI. He may not have known he was divorced, given all of the partying he was doing with Ruth on top of his studies. Ruth's parents were hysterical and calling Harvard and the INS trying to get him kicked out of the country.
Reading your comment about the divorce decree, I am wondering if the reason that child support was not adjudicated was that the BC requested for the divorce by Stanley Ann's attorney from Kenya never arrived in time, if the new revelation on the Daily Pen that there is one in the Kew, UK BNA (archive) is true indicated by an index of a male baby born to BHO Sr in 1961.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2908395/posts?q=1&;page=1#1
“It is now supported by the evidence discovered in the BNA that the Bomford document image from Australia was accessed and used by pro-Obama operatives as a template to alter the image of the Kenyan CCRB image in order to make it appear that “birthers” had created a bad counterfeit of a Kenyan birth record for Obama. This was done by Obama’s forgers to create “shell game” confusion among the public and misdirect media attention from the truth that an original, unaltered Kenyan CCRB, which was never allowed to be publicly seen in its original form before Obama’s forgers were able to access and change it, was actually an image of a legitimate document posted by unknown individuals who were known by Obama to possess the document before hand.
“Essentially, the Bomford affair was just another coverup to hide Obama’s foreign birth records.”
One of the most seductive things about that Bomford BC was that the date it was prepared of February 1964, IIRC, fit it being a document requested for the HI divorce court.
Now Daily Pen says that “an original, unaltered Kenyan CCRB” for Obama was the template for the Bomford forgery “is now supported by the evidence discovered in the BNA.”
If Stanley Ann was hidden away in Kenya to deliver baby Barry, witnesses by Gramma Sarah as she claimed and registered in the colonial records not in the Kew, UK BNA, I think it is highly probable that BHO Sr. would know about that series of events. And he could be very motivated to hide it!
I’d like to see your evidence that SAD was in Seattle in 1961. Interviews with old friends, some of whose stories changed, don’t count. And David has thoroughly taken apart the U of WA transcript, so that doesn’t count.
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