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Why Confederates are taken for granted! (Like conservatives today?)
Nolan Chart ^ | March 16, 2012 | Mark Vogl

Posted on 03/21/2012 7:21:07 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: El Kabong1
It was true then as well. Washington had the advantage of being the victor in that particular contest, so we venerate his service. What do you think would have happened to him and the other Founding Fathers if the French and Hessians hadn’t supported his efforts and the revolution had been snuffed out by the British?

They’d all be nothing more than minor footnotes in British history.

No, Washington would be seen as an American Robin Hood, and tracts by James Madison and Alexander Hamilton would inspire the next revolt, led by Andrew Jackson in 1815, which would be successful.

The Founding Fathers would become folk heroes on both sides of the Atlantic and earn the attention of artists as romanticism swept through nineteenth-century Europe. In 1822, Gioacchino Rossini's new opera Tommaso Jefferson would open at the Real Teatro di San Carlo in Naples to a sellout crowd.

By the way, the Hessians fought for the British, not the Americans.

81 posted on 03/25/2012 1:41:42 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: Fiji Hill

That’s the wonderful thing about history. We can each ponder the “what might have beens” at our leisure.

You might want to read a little about Baron Friedrich von Steuben, a Hessian General who trained Washington’s army.


82 posted on 03/25/2012 2:41:26 PM PDT by El Kabong1
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To: Fiji Hill

I have no disagreement with our Declaration, but still believe the historical difference between a Traitor and a Founding Father is based entirely on the outcome of the conflict.

At the time of the Declaration of Independence, approximately one-third of our proto-nation wanted independence, one-third (Tory) were loyal to Britain, and about one-third either didn’t care or were slaves.


83 posted on 03/25/2012 2:47:39 PM PDT by El Kabong1
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To: El Kabong1

Friedrich von Steuben was born in Magdeburg, in East Germany, and served in the Prussian army. I don’t believe he ever lived or served in Hessen.


84 posted on 03/25/2012 5:04:18 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: central_va

So, if secession was not about slavery, what do you imagine that it was about?


85 posted on 03/25/2012 6:10:25 PM PDT by iowamark (The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves)
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To: Fiji Hill

You are correct. Thanks for the information.


86 posted on 03/25/2012 11:09:16 PM PDT by El Kabong1
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To: iowamark
So, if secession was not about slavery, what do you imagine that it was about?

States rights, self reliance and the 10th amendment. I know silly concepts by todays benchmark.

87 posted on 03/26/2012 3:44:17 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Pelham

notice how the usual suspects turn up all at once, spewing their usual anti Southerner crap?

Every time a thread pops up like this the usual handful turn up within an hour , actually less time and usually all at the same time.


88 posted on 03/26/2012 4:57:10 AM PDT by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: little jeremiah

oh the troll with no pals is back on under a different name yet again.

Seems that hope and change crap is not helping him get a job as he has too much time to post on here looking for these kind of threads.


89 posted on 03/26/2012 5:00:56 AM PDT by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: El Kabong1

do one, NS , you just cant help yourself , still no pals, sitting there looking for these kind of threads.

Stay up north and never come south as my battle flag will insult you.

Pathetic


90 posted on 03/26/2012 5:02:07 AM PDT by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: Red Steel

you can tell it no pals NS when he can’t help himself on these threads and has to reply to all posts to him.

His best threads are the B/C and the war for southern independence , and his first few posts are on those topics again.


91 posted on 03/26/2012 5:04:56 AM PDT by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: iowamark

you are aware that Lincoln himself said it was not about slavery and that it was about preserving the union and if he could not free one slave he would do so bla bla bla?

You are aware that the slavery issue came about when Britain and other Euro countries were looking to help the confederacy and you are aware why that issue was used at that time?


92 posted on 03/26/2012 5:08:09 AM PDT by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: manc

I have no idea what your post means, other than the fact that you’re still fighting the Civil War for some reason.

There’s a big difference between a conservative and an anarchist. Which one are you?


93 posted on 03/26/2012 10:02:32 AM PDT by El Kabong1
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To: El Kabong1

NS , you’re in CA now not KS .LOL

Anyway I wouldn’t bother replying to you then and I won’t now after this no matter how many times you reappear because you have no life or pals.


94 posted on 03/26/2012 10:05:58 AM PDT by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: manc; The Cajun; Cringing Negativism Network; little jeremiah; mojitojoe; beandog; bert; ...

So, did it occur to any of you that you might be dogging someone without merit or justification? Do you suppose that there might just be a possibility that this el kabong guy isn’t who you think it is and you are needlessly harassing him?

I recognize that the specter of Non Sequitur reduces most of y’all to quivering masses of jelly, but if you really thought this guy was him wouldn’t it be better to hit the abuse button and let the professionals do their job?

Nah, I guess it wouldn’t ;-)


95 posted on 03/26/2012 10:59:10 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: manc

I have no idea what “NS” refers to, but you’re correct that I now live in California. I’ve previously lived in Abilene, TX, and Winchester, VA, so I have some personal experience in the Old South.

I’m sorry if my opinions about the region’s history make you uncomfortable, but this is a conservative site and patriotism necessarily includes loyalty to our national government, no matter who the president might be at any given time.


96 posted on 03/26/2012 11:21:52 AM PDT by El Kabong1
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To: rockrr

ARF
This form the same person when we had a troll named Beckett08 and who I called out as a troll and you had to come as the knight in shining armor, only to make a fool of yourself a week later by her being proven to be a troll and a member of ANSWER.


97 posted on 03/26/2012 11:24:56 AM PDT by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: rockrr

oh and did it occur, yea it did but then when the same way of posting or the mass posting or the threads were chosen then yes it is NS and the troll can deny it as much as they want and you can be that knight as much as you want.


98 posted on 03/26/2012 11:27:46 AM PDT by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: central_va
"So, if secession was not about slavery, what do you imagine that it was about?"

States rights, self reliance and the 10th amendment. I know silly concepts by todays benchmark.

So, what offenses exactly did President Buchanan commit against "States rights, self reliance and the 10th amendment" to justify secession? (Surely you know that secession and the Confederacy happened long before Lincoln became President.)

99 posted on 03/26/2012 12:22:55 PM PDT by iowamark (The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves)
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To: manc

You never proved anything you dolt.


100 posted on 03/26/2012 12:39:54 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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