Posted on 07/08/2004 4:08:45 PM PDT by truthkeeper
I think you mean well, but this is a case of the fish stinking from the head.
I wouldn't be upset if Asa Hutchinson resigned because he couldn't even tell John that he will allow the border patrol to "ever again" enact a sweep. This was not a top secret question with times and places mentioned.
Asa was a total hack and refused to answer the most general question, which means he is bending over for the Mexican government and activists for illegals.
These two KFI guys are only talking about what most Californians are pissed off about.
This isn't about Asa Hutchinson needing to act like he had a pair of nuts with the KFI staff, it is about him having a pair in real life and doing his job in rounding up illegals or at least TRYING to and removing them.
We should not let another country have influence our immigration policy as Mexico and illegal aliens and activists have.
The illegals need to know fear of breaking the law and if Asa Hutchinson refuses to make that happen, that is wrong.
When his stops the border patrol to stop sweeps. that is pathetic.
The Fourth of July in New York?
Nothing could possibly be cooler!
Thanks.
Bzzt. I have issues with self-proclaimed "true conservatives" who backstab Republican candidates and get the more liberal of two candidates elected.
Apparently the only people that blame the conservatives more are the Democrates. If there is one thing that has made me a conservative more than anything is my complete and utter lack of respect for whiners.
Then I'm sure you join me in despising those self-proclaimed "true conservatives" who have worked tirelessly to elect nutball liberals.
I loath pathetic, b*thcy complainers that affix blame to people they don't like even though that person isn't responsible just, for leverage.
You're either part of the problem, or you're part of the solution. Until the self-proclaimed "true conservatives" out here realize that electing Democrats is not a conservative virtue, then I'm going to continue calling them what they are--the problem.
Reading your post is like being trapped in a NAACP meeting.
For someone who hates whining, you've sure done a s**tload of it in this post.
You have issues.
Most people tend to have "issues" with disloyal backstabbing pieces of filth. If you have a problem with that, then I suggest you start doing something to correct that perception, which is based on almost a decade of observation.
The GOP loses because it puts up bad candidates, its there fault.
The GOP frequently loses because self-proclaimed "true conservatives" refuse to vote for any candidate that does not hew exactly to their line. They can--and have--deliberately sabotaged several races by such means as push polling (the one where my Congressman's son was falsely accused of possession was a classic of the genre).
If Kerry loses its not because of Nader, its because of him. If Boxer wins its not because the CA conservatives are self hating, its that what's his name ran a bad campaign against her.
That "he ran a bad campaign" is a universal excuse used by the self-proclaimed "true conservatives" after they've crapped all over a campaign. "It was a bad boat. A good boat would've stayed afloat after we limpet-mined it."
If anyone is self hating, if anyone is bent on a circular firing squad it is obvious to everyone but you -that you are the one who insults the people of your state, insults your party, and insults conservatives in general as being "responsible" for every wrong ever done.
I've worked on two separate campaigns that were nail-bitingly close--and got derailed by dirty tricks performed by "true conservatives." The result in both cases was that a nutball liberal Democrat was elected. I refuse to give aid and comfort to my enemies, no matter how loudly they proclaim themselves to be my friend.
Think about it.
I have, at length. If the self-proclaimed "true conservatives" start working to elect the more conservative of two candidates, I'll start taking them more seriously. As long as they deliberately work to elect extremist liberals, I will continue to censure them.
You're either part of the problem, or you're part of the solution. Until the self-proclaimed "true conservatives" out here realize that electing Democrats is not a conservative virtue, then I'm going to continue calling them what they are--the problem.
You have called them far worse, and if it is your goal to simply convince them you are doing an AWEFULLY bad job of it. If you were trying to make them stay home or vote Losertarian or Constipation Party by making them hate the GOP hacks, you couldn't be going about it more effectively. These people are principled, die hard, single issue fighters. They don't like being insulted, and the last thing they want is to be insulted into "selling out" as they think of it. You best learn that you can draw more flies with honey than vinegre.
Me:You have issues.
You: Most people tend to have "issues" with disloyal backstabbing pieces of filth.
Well, acknowledging there is a problem is the first step to recovery as they say. ;-)
Me:If Kerry loses its not because of Nader, its because of him. If Boxer wins its not because the CA conservatives are self hating, its that what's his name ran a bad campaign against her.
You: That "he ran a bad campaign" is a universal excuse used by the self-proclaimed "true conservatives" after they've crapped all over a campaign. "It was a bad boat. A good boat would've stayed afloat after we limpet-mined it."
Well here is a perfect example of how your hatred has compromised your thinking. There is no reasoning with this kind of self fulfilling prophesy. I can say that the smog outside today is bad and you are going to find a way to blame these "true conservatives"...its funny except that you believe it. No no, what I said first off was very true, Nader is a great example because the Dems whine to this day about 2000, but you never hear the GOP whine about Perot even though he got way more votes than Nader and certainly many of those votes would have gone to Bush. Nader's 3%? Not as likely they would have voted at all, but what is important is the perspective, it is the its-someone-else's-fault, no personal responsibility attitude of the Dems (one of the main things I loath about them) that has them see no fault of Algore, or the platform's ability to appeal to the FAR Left. The Liberals NEVER question their greatness, which is why they continue to fail. Now you seem to be taking on this total lack of responsibility characteristic, and that is to the detriment of the party.
If the self-proclaimed "true conservatives" start working to elect the more conservative of two candidates, I'll start taking them more seriously. As long as they deliberately work to elect extremist liberals, I will continue to censure them.
Well have fun in the circular firing squad you claim you aren't perpetuating. Its like herding cats, that's what is so great about conservatives, they're independent minded and defuse-it keeps them from being dominated. It also keeps from uniting around a marginal to weak candidate policy wise. You can be a glass half empty kind of guy about it, but something you consider is that these people hate the Left every bit as much as you do and are great fighters and activists. What you need to learn is that you can't fight AGAINST them, or it'll never end and you waste everyone's time, you have to be smarter and turn their combative nature away from the GOP and towards the Dems. You may fail and they may insult Asa Hutchinson or whatever right now, but otherwise you'll certainly fail by a continuing of this scorched earth kind of fighting and the Dems will slip into office.
Hi hchutch! I'm not sure why you were pinged to this, but I thought I would make you welcome.
Ever hear of "tough love?" I'm tired of blowing sunshine up people's butts.
If you were trying to make them stay home or vote Losertarian or Constipation Party by making them hate the GOP hacks, you couldn't be going about it more effectively. These people are principled, die hard, single issue fighters.
Who proceed to deliberately elect people who oppose their alleged single issue.
Interesting coincidence, that.
They don't like being insulted, and the last thing they want is to be insulted into "selling out" as they think of it.
If they don't like being insulted, they can act in a manner not deserving of same. Using GOP-supplied funds to trash the GOP candidate and elect a shrieking liberal harridan is the highest form of "selling out."
You best learn that you can draw more flies with honey than vinegre
I've already made that mistake. They mistook "being nice" for "being weak."
Short version: I think that Poohbah's description of the problem has generally been on target in his area.
It kinda reflects what I saw in 1994, when Ollie North took one in the back from John Warner (admittedly, it was a moderate putting the knife in the conservative's back). I also saw a right-to-lifer put left-winger Leslie Byrne in the State Senate a couple years back (2001), drawing just enough support from a moderate Republican.
His attitude on those who sabotage Republican candidates and end up putting liberals in, and BRAG about it afterwards is pretty close to mine, though. I don't like it.
Are you 2 having your own conversation over there?
With all due respect, what the HELL are you talking about? Seriously this has nothing to do with the "true conservatives" criticizing. You are adding 2 + 2 and coming up with 22.
What in wide world of sports does John Warner and Leslie Byrne have to do with strident FR posters criticizing members of the Administration? Politicians play dirty tricks? "I'm shocked, shocked to find gambling going on here!"
That has nothing to do with these boogie men "true conservatives" not falling in line behind the GOP candidate, and how to best make them do so. I mean really, what is supposed to be your collective points here? If I played either of you in a board game of Clue I'd paste ya, you are all over the map.
My point: quit referring to the self-proclaimed "true conservatives" as any sort of asset until they actually demonstrate that they are assets to anyone except the Democratic Party. They are nothing of the sort. Until they (a) realize that they are helping elect Democrats, and (b) that the Democrats are not supporting their issues, I am going to continue blasting them--assuming that they are sincere in their stated goals, which I am not entirely convinced of.
My experience, from several election campaigns, is that "true conservatives" will say anything to get into positions of trust in campaigns, and will then wreck the campaign at the 11th hour, all because the candidate is insufficiently pure. Hell, at one point, they did it to Bill Simon's campaign--and if Bill Simon isn't pure enough for them, nobody is.
If these self-proclaimed "true conservatives" spent their energy doing this to Democrats, this state would be a GOP lock. The fact that they spend their energy on clobbering the GOP makes me intensely suspicious.
Ever hear of "tough love?" I'm tired of blowing sunshine up people's butts.
Its not that, its called being an adult and treating people with respect. Certainly anyone you hope to be persuasive with.
Who proceed to deliberately elect people who oppose their alleged single issue. Interesting coincidence, that.
Its actually counterproductive. Ya know a smart fella could point out that contradiction and make inroads, assuming they hadn't been personally attacked and tuned them out.
If they don't like being insulted, they can act in a manner not deserving of same. Using GOP-supplied funds to trash the GOP candidate and elect a shrieking liberal harridan is the highest form of "selling out."
Whoa here guy, you really do have issues. This is a whole lot of personal baggage that you are carrying that is sounding alittle well, nutty. No offense. I don't doubt that there were people who claimed to be conservative who attacked your candidate, however, you are wanting to start a civil war because of what some people did. To insult any detractors to the GOP because of some hurt in your past is unreasonable. You need some perspective on the matter, no wonder you are so filled with hate. Just because some policians wronged you doesn't mean you are within your rights to take it our on the world. As is usually the case with angry people, its counter productive. You don't understand how these people think, they DON'T BACK DOWN FROM FIGHTS AND WOULD RATHER SEE THAT WHICH YOU CARE ABOUT MOST, SEEING SOME MODERATE REPUBLICAN LOSE THAN TO FALL IN LINE TO A JERKOFF WHO INSULTED THEM. If you don't finally figure that out, you are going to be involved in your circular firing squad forever.
Golly isn't that a profoundly loaded contradiction?
Lets play a word game shall we?
If these self-proclaimed "true Republicans" spent their energy doing this to Democrats, this state would be a GOP lock. The fact that they spend their energy on clobbering the "true conservatives" makes me intensely suspicious.
I agree, both of your a screw ups.
You are very naive. There are several groups whose "fund-raising" consists of soliciting donations from the GOP faithful (and the GOP organization). These groups then proceed to spend this money (raised for the stated purpose of electing GOP candidates) on last-minute push polls to derail close elections and hand them to the Democrats.
You don't understand how these people think, they DON'T BACK DOWN FROM FIGHTS AND WOULD RATHER SEE THAT WHICH YOU CARE ABOUT MOST, SEEING SOME MODERATE REPUBLICAN LOSE THAN TO FALL IN LINE TO A JERKOFF WHO INSULTED THEM.
And then they bitch and moan to me for the next two years about the liberal they helped elect--hell, they even have the gall to hit me up for donations to "stop" the a$$hole they put into office. F*** 'em if they can't understand "consequences."
I tried being nice and polite to these people. I wound up getting abused and lied to. I now speak to them in their own language.
You know something? Off Free Republic, I work to elect Republican candidates.
On Free Republic, I snipe at "true conservative" poserboys. You know why? Because they are the only ones here to snipe at, dumb$#!t!
I agree, I am. I have absolutely no idea about these groups that according to you are sabotaging GOP candidates (somehow) and no way to say whether or not it is true. Its weird because Simon and Rioden were such unbeatable candidates on their own, LOL.
The curious thing is, that wasn't what I was referring to, in fact I never mentioned these groups at all. It just so happened that when I correct you on your abusive nature to independent minded FR posterswho dared criticize Asa Hutchinson's incorrect policy, you brought up this whole other subject that you may or may not be completely correct about, however I have no say in. Some might call that a canard to get away from the real issue.
And then they bitch and moan to me for the next two years about the liberal they helped elect--hell, they even have the gall to hit me up for donations to "stop" the a$$hole they put into office. F*** 'em if they can't understand "consequences."
Take a breath, who in the hell is this mythical "they"? We've gone from an NAACP meeting of whining to the Art Bell show! Queue up the X Files music.
I tried being nice and polite to these people. I wound up getting abused and lied to. I now speak to them in their own language.
Just because someone is a jerk doesn't mean you should be. First, I don't know how to talk you down from your massive conspiracy theory but not everyone is involved in this "they" you are talking about sabotaging the GOP, they are a diverse, massive group-they are the base. Second, you are supposed to be smarter than them, remember? You want to win elections and defeat the libs, well you can't do that by crying "he started it!" and indiscriminatly attacking random detractors of Admin officials doing wrong, or candidates who have planks they disagree with. Just because someone doesn't march lock step with a candidate doesn't mean they will not vote for them on election day, so chill. As I have stated many times, you couldn't possibly be less effective in convining them then by shushing what they see are valid concerns.
Wow, this is exactly what I mean, now you call me schoolyard names? You are so filled with hate you are melting down. Algore and Howard Dean show more restrait and composure.
One Reporter's Opinion - Talk Radio: The Great Communicator
George Putnam
Saturday, July 9, 2004
It is this reporter's opinion that we are witnessing a broadcasting phenomenon: instant communication, instant reaction. They call it TALK RADIO. The politicians have discovered its value more than most. They know there is nothing as formidable as a potential voter - telephone in one hand, ballots in the other - and the demand to be heard.
Several examples come to mind. In January of 2004 President Bush launched his ill-fated worker program. He proposed that foreigners - illegal aliens - be brought into this country for a three-year work period and that at the end of three years if all went well, they would add another three years. There was such an uproar on talk radio that Bush almost immediately withdrew his proposal. Those opposed to his plan charged that, though the president didn't call it that, it was amnesty - that he was actually handing out citizenships by the back door.
Story Continues Below
Talk radio ended the president's proposal. Have you heard of it since?
Here in California Governor Schwarzenegger, striving to balance his budget, proposed a way to cut back costs at the dog pounds. His idea was to shorten the waiting period for the euthanization of the ill-fated animals from a six-day waiting period to three days. Animal activists and others went berserk and again, talk radio carried the message and the governor ran for cover, returning things to the way they were.
Another big issue - driver's licenses for illegal aliens (previously rejected) - was rejuvenated and the governor, through talk radio, was hit by overwhelming opposition.
By far the biggest uproar came in June when the Temecula border patrol station formed a special mobile patrol group to conduct a series of illegal alien sweeps in three inland communities. A 12-man group made more than 450 arrests resulting in praise and scorn. These border patrolmen who had taken an oath to protect our borders - our sovereignty - were under severe attack for doing their assigned duty.
Activists launched a vicious attack on the border patrol for simply doing their job - for doing what the government pays them to do. A Cardinal Barnes led the attack, directing that pro illegal alien activity be supported by the Catholic Church and it was discovered that the Mexican consulates were spearheading the opposition activity. Then Undersecretary of Homeland Security Asa Hutchinson, bowing to pressure from the Mexican government, told members of Congress that the raids had been executed without the approval of higher ranking officials, that they'd violated policy and the chain of command.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection Commissioner, Robert Bonner issued a directive that future enforcement operations in the outlying areas surrounding checkpoints would have to be approved by border patrol headquarters IN WASHINGTON. Morale at the Temecula border patrol station sunk to its lowest level. The woman director of that installation resigned after 23 years of dedicated duty. And when talk radio called border patrol agents, they were told the agents had been muzzled; they were not to speak on the subject. But it didn't stop there.
The White House entered the fray. Citizens had been calling, e-mailing, and faxing Asa Hutchinson in support of efforts to round up and boot out illegals in such great numbers that Hutchinson complained he was overwhelmed, that he couldn't get his work done. Trey Bohn, a White House media spokesperson, called several talk show hosts demanding they remove Hutchinson's e-mail address and phone numbers from their Web sites. These calls are coming from the White House daily. Talk radio is refusing to budge.
If you are as concerned as we are, it's time to speak up and remind the president that Article 4, Section 4 of our Constitution is explicit: "The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government and shall protect each of them against INVASION and against domestic violence."
Why has no action been taken to terminate the illegal invasion of the United States by foreign nationals? Are we bowing to the Mexican government? Why has there been no deportation of those who are here illegally? Why has there been no criminal action taken against those who employ them? As this is written, California Congressman Rohrabacher is putting forth legislation that will stop an ill-conceived plan that could afford the benefits of Social Security to illegal aliens from Mexico - another outrage! What next?
Talk radio today is the greatest weapon in the battle for our sovereignty at the grassroots and the heart of America. It is the great communicator that keeps its citizens informed and provides them with a forum wherein we all have the opportunity to have our voices heard. It provides the best opportunity to speak up as often as possible while America continues to be under attack.
Here are some phone numbers for citizens to voice their opinions on this subject:
Border Patrol phone: 619-216-4182
Border Patrol fax: 619-216-4047
Washington office: 202-927-1422
Asa Hutchinson: 202-282-8010
You have the telephone, you have the ballot - now do what is right!! Speak up America!
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Moore, and I support the Bush Admin, is a White House stooge, plain and simple. He has been dispatched to try to dampen the outrage. Rather than just compromise with the Americans, the White House is bent on shoving this Sell Out down our throat, as someone who's also from the Valley, you realize that the Moore's and the Hutchinsons, and the Medveds of the GOP have a political tin ear for the coming earthquake. These elitist in their white neighborhoods have no idea just HOW MANY illegals are coming in, and since its not in their backyard, we have to take it for the good of the party.
They had better back down, as I warned Hutchinson in an email, if Kerry/Edwards are clever enough to make a campaign promise of closing the border, Bush loses-hands down.
Pretty stupid policy, if so, since most voters of Hispanic descent favor increased border security.
John and Ken did a great job putting the pressure on Asa.
Givey Happsthanking.
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