You're either part of the problem, or you're part of the solution. Until the self-proclaimed "true conservatives" out here realize that electing Democrats is not a conservative virtue, then I'm going to continue calling them what they are--the problem.
You have called them far worse, and if it is your goal to simply convince them you are doing an AWEFULLY bad job of it. If you were trying to make them stay home or vote Losertarian or Constipation Party by making them hate the GOP hacks, you couldn't be going about it more effectively. These people are principled, die hard, single issue fighters. They don't like being insulted, and the last thing they want is to be insulted into "selling out" as they think of it. You best learn that you can draw more flies with honey than vinegre.
Me:You have issues.
You: Most people tend to have "issues" with disloyal backstabbing pieces of filth.
Well, acknowledging there is a problem is the first step to recovery as they say. ;-)
Me:If Kerry loses its not because of Nader, its because of him. If Boxer wins its not because the CA conservatives are self hating, its that what's his name ran a bad campaign against her.
You: That "he ran a bad campaign" is a universal excuse used by the self-proclaimed "true conservatives" after they've crapped all over a campaign. "It was a bad boat. A good boat would've stayed afloat after we limpet-mined it."
Well here is a perfect example of how your hatred has compromised your thinking. There is no reasoning with this kind of self fulfilling prophesy. I can say that the smog outside today is bad and you are going to find a way to blame these "true conservatives"...its funny except that you believe it. No no, what I said first off was very true, Nader is a great example because the Dems whine to this day about 2000, but you never hear the GOP whine about Perot even though he got way more votes than Nader and certainly many of those votes would have gone to Bush. Nader's 3%? Not as likely they would have voted at all, but what is important is the perspective, it is the its-someone-else's-fault, no personal responsibility attitude of the Dems (one of the main things I loath about them) that has them see no fault of Algore, or the platform's ability to appeal to the FAR Left. The Liberals NEVER question their greatness, which is why they continue to fail. Now you seem to be taking on this total lack of responsibility characteristic, and that is to the detriment of the party.
If the self-proclaimed "true conservatives" start working to elect the more conservative of two candidates, I'll start taking them more seriously. As long as they deliberately work to elect extremist liberals, I will continue to censure them.
Well have fun in the circular firing squad you claim you aren't perpetuating. Its like herding cats, that's what is so great about conservatives, they're independent minded and defuse-it keeps them from being dominated. It also keeps from uniting around a marginal to weak candidate policy wise. You can be a glass half empty kind of guy about it, but something you consider is that these people hate the Left every bit as much as you do and are great fighters and activists. What you need to learn is that you can't fight AGAINST them, or it'll never end and you waste everyone's time, you have to be smarter and turn their combative nature away from the GOP and towards the Dems. You may fail and they may insult Asa Hutchinson or whatever right now, but otherwise you'll certainly fail by a continuing of this scorched earth kind of fighting and the Dems will slip into office.
Hi hchutch! I'm not sure why you were pinged to this, but I thought I would make you welcome.
Ever hear of "tough love?" I'm tired of blowing sunshine up people's butts.
If you were trying to make them stay home or vote Losertarian or Constipation Party by making them hate the GOP hacks, you couldn't be going about it more effectively. These people are principled, die hard, single issue fighters.
Who proceed to deliberately elect people who oppose their alleged single issue.
Interesting coincidence, that.
They don't like being insulted, and the last thing they want is to be insulted into "selling out" as they think of it.
If they don't like being insulted, they can act in a manner not deserving of same. Using GOP-supplied funds to trash the GOP candidate and elect a shrieking liberal harridan is the highest form of "selling out."
You best learn that you can draw more flies with honey than vinegre
I've already made that mistake. They mistook "being nice" for "being weak."
Short version: I think that Poohbah's description of the problem has generally been on target in his area.
It kinda reflects what I saw in 1994, when Ollie North took one in the back from John Warner (admittedly, it was a moderate putting the knife in the conservative's back). I also saw a right-to-lifer put left-winger Leslie Byrne in the State Senate a couple years back (2001), drawing just enough support from a moderate Republican.
His attitude on those who sabotage Republican candidates and end up putting liberals in, and BRAG about it afterwards is pretty close to mine, though. I don't like it.