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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA; hchutch
Speaking of not normally respecting a poster; Poohbah, but I think this really illuminates some serious psychological issues you have with the Republican party.

Bzzt. I have issues with self-proclaimed "true conservatives" who backstab Republican candidates and get the more liberal of two candidates elected.

Apparently the only people that blame the conservatives more are the Democrates. If there is one thing that has made me a conservative more than anything is my complete and utter lack of respect for whiners.

Then I'm sure you join me in despising those self-proclaimed "true conservatives" who have worked tirelessly to elect nutball liberals.

I loath pathetic, b*thcy complainers that affix blame to people they don't like even though that person isn't responsible just, for leverage.

You're either part of the problem, or you're part of the solution. Until the self-proclaimed "true conservatives" out here realize that electing Democrats is not a conservative virtue, then I'm going to continue calling them what they are--the problem.

Reading your post is like being trapped in a NAACP meeting.

For someone who hates whining, you've sure done a s**tload of it in this post.

You have issues.

Most people tend to have "issues" with disloyal backstabbing pieces of filth. If you have a problem with that, then I suggest you start doing something to correct that perception, which is based on almost a decade of observation.

The GOP loses because it puts up bad candidates, its there fault.

The GOP frequently loses because self-proclaimed "true conservatives" refuse to vote for any candidate that does not hew exactly to their line. They can--and have--deliberately sabotaged several races by such means as push polling (the one where my Congressman's son was falsely accused of possession was a classic of the genre).

If Kerry loses its not because of Nader, its because of him. If Boxer wins its not because the CA conservatives are self hating, its that what's his name ran a bad campaign against her.

That "he ran a bad campaign" is a universal excuse used by the self-proclaimed "true conservatives" after they've crapped all over a campaign. "It was a bad boat. A good boat would've stayed afloat after we limpet-mined it."

If anyone is self hating, if anyone is bent on a circular firing squad it is obvious to everyone but you -that you are the one who insults the people of your state, insults your party, and insults conservatives in general as being "responsible" for every wrong ever done.

I've worked on two separate campaigns that were nail-bitingly close--and got derailed by dirty tricks performed by "true conservatives." The result in both cases was that a nutball liberal Democrat was elected. I refuse to give aid and comfort to my enemies, no matter how loudly they proclaim themselves to be my friend.

Think about it.

I have, at length. If the self-proclaimed "true conservatives" start working to elect the more conservative of two candidates, I'll start taking them more seriously. As long as they deliberately work to elect extremist liberals, I will continue to censure them.

1,043 posted on 07/12/2004 5:22:29 AM PDT by Poohbah ("Mister Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" -- President Ronald Reagan, Berlin, 1987)
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To: Poohbah; hchutch
How many times did you beat this straw man "true conservatives" in you post? I lost count, it was just about every paragraph, and really out there since I didn't see anyone throwing around this moniker, its something you have carried with you. The rage you have is palpable, your hatred at these boogie men is unlike anyone I have ever seen on here- dude, chill.

You're either part of the problem, or you're part of the solution. Until the self-proclaimed "true conservatives" out here realize that electing Democrats is not a conservative virtue, then I'm going to continue calling them what they are--the problem.

You have called them far worse, and if it is your goal to simply convince them you are doing an AWEFULLY bad job of it. If you were trying to make them stay home or vote Losertarian or Constipation Party by making them hate the GOP hacks, you couldn't be going about it more effectively. These people are principled, die hard, single issue fighters. They don't like being insulted, and the last thing they want is to be insulted into "selling out" as they think of it. You best learn that you can draw more flies with honey than vinegre.

Me:You have issues.

You: Most people tend to have "issues" with disloyal backstabbing pieces of filth.

Well, acknowledging there is a problem is the first step to recovery as they say. ;-)

Me:If Kerry loses its not because of Nader, its because of him. If Boxer wins its not because the CA conservatives are self hating, its that what's his name ran a bad campaign against her.

You: That "he ran a bad campaign" is a universal excuse used by the self-proclaimed "true conservatives" after they've crapped all over a campaign. "It was a bad boat. A good boat would've stayed afloat after we limpet-mined it."

Well here is a perfect example of how your hatred has compromised your thinking. There is no reasoning with this kind of self fulfilling prophesy. I can say that the smog outside today is bad and you are going to find a way to blame these "true conservatives"...its funny except that you believe it. No no, what I said first off was very true, Nader is a great example because the Dems whine to this day about 2000, but you never hear the GOP whine about Perot even though he got way more votes than Nader and certainly many of those votes would have gone to Bush. Nader's 3%? Not as likely they would have voted at all, but what is important is the perspective, it is the its-someone-else's-fault, no personal responsibility attitude of the Dems (one of the main things I loath about them) that has them see no fault of Algore, or the platform's ability to appeal to the FAR Left. The Liberals NEVER question their greatness, which is why they continue to fail. Now you seem to be taking on this total lack of responsibility characteristic, and that is to the detriment of the party.

If the self-proclaimed "true conservatives" start working to elect the more conservative of two candidates, I'll start taking them more seriously. As long as they deliberately work to elect extremist liberals, I will continue to censure them.

Well have fun in the circular firing squad you claim you aren't perpetuating. Its like herding cats, that's what is so great about conservatives, they're independent minded and defuse-it keeps them from being dominated. It also keeps from uniting around a marginal to weak candidate policy wise. You can be a glass half empty kind of guy about it, but something you consider is that these people hate the Left every bit as much as you do and are great fighters and activists. What you need to learn is that you can't fight AGAINST them, or it'll never end and you waste everyone's time, you have to be smarter and turn their combative nature away from the GOP and towards the Dems. You may fail and they may insult Asa Hutchinson or whatever right now, but otherwise you'll certainly fail by a continuing of this scorched earth kind of fighting and the Dems will slip into office.

Hi hchutch! I'm not sure why you were pinged to this, but I thought I would make you welcome.

1,044 posted on 07/12/2004 8:22:16 AM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (I am no longer afraid to publicly say I love Jesus, thanks Mel)
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