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New Roswell Witness! [81 year old wife of involved sgt]
UNKNOWN COUNTRY Daily News of the Edge ^ | 11 APR 2003 | ANNE ROBBINS, ANNE STRIEBER ED

Posted on 05/17/2003 12:01:07 PM PDT by Quix

Anne Robbins now lives in Midland, Texas. She's the widow of a career military man who was stationed in Roswell during the Roswell crash in July, 1947. She remembers the description of the saucer that her husband, Technical Sergeant Ernest Robert Robbins, told her he helped recover and the three small beings that were found outside the craft. Now 84 years old, Robbins has never before spoken publicly about Roswell, but she now says that what her late husband saw was not a downed weather balloon.

Seated in a meeting room at the Odessa Meteor Crater Museum, she said, "We had been to a dinner party at the NCO [non-commissioned officers] club on the base and didn't get home until 10:30 or 11. We'd already gone to bed but weren't yet asleep when everything outside lit up like it was daylight. It was like that for what seemed like several minutes, and we both assumed that it was probably helicopters from the base with searchlights on." Soon afterwards, her husband received a phone call and told her he had to report to the base. "I just assumed that there had been a plane crash somewhere nearby," she says. "But I couldn't figure why my husband, a sheet-metal man who repaired planes, was called in."

She was even more puzzled when he returned home the 18 hours later, with his uniform wrinkled and damp. "I asked him what had happened to him, why he was so wet, and he told me he'd had to go through the decontamination tank at the base. I asked, 'In your clothes?' and he said, 'They were what I was wearing when I was out there.' He told me, 'Well, I guess you might as well know; it's going to be in the papers. A UFO crashed outside of Roswell.'

"I told him he was crazy. 'No,' he replied, 'I'm not.' I don't remember him being particularly shocked or very emotional about it. In fact, he seemed cool as a cucumber. He just made it clear to me that he wasn't going to talk about it."

The following morning, she says, "I asked him again if it was really true and he said, yes, it was." When she asked what the UFO looked like, he explained that "if you took two saucers and put them together, that's what it looked like." On the top layer, there were oblong-shaped windows all the way around the craft. He had not looked inside. "I asked him if there was anybody on it. He said, 'I can tell you this much: There were three people. One was dead and two were still alive. I can't tell you anything more.'"

It was not until several days later that Sergeant Robbins finally agreed to drive his wife out to the crash site. By then, all debris had been cleared away. "He didn't say much of anything until we got to a place where there was this big burned spot, a perfect circle so black that it was shiny. No normal fire could have made something like that." It looked like the sand had been melted and turned into a sheet of black glass. "This," he said, "is where I was for 18 hours."

"On the drive home," she says, "I asked him what happened to the spaceship, what happened to the people who were on it. He said, 'I can't tell you that; don't ask me any more.'" That was the last time he ever spoke about it, until he retired from the Air Force in 1961. He died of a heart attack in January, 2000.

Following his retirement, the family moved to Saginaw, near Fort Worth, and he worked first for General Dynamics, then LTV, as an aircraft repairman. "It was years later, when our kids were in high school, that our son Ronald was working on some kind of report on unidentified flying objects and asked his father to tell him about what happened back in Roswell. He didn't say much, basically just what he'd told me years earlier," she says.

"But you know how kids are. Ronald kept asking questions, like what the men found at the crash looked like. Finally, Papa [as she called him] got a pencil and drew this pear-shaped head with large black eyes. Their skin, he said, was brown and they had no nose, no mouth. When Ronald asked him what their bodies looked like, all he would say was, 'Son, you don't want to know about that.'"

She says, "[Ronald] wouldn't talk to you about it…Barbara, my daughter, tells me, 'Daddy's dead, don't bring it up.'"

"All I remember," says their daughter, Barbara Wattlington, "was Dad saying he was stationed in Roswell and that a UFO crashed there."

The last time Anne Robbins remembers her husband talking about it was a few years before his death, when they sat in their Saginaw living room one evening, watching a show about Roswell on TV. "I asked him, 'Was it a hoax?' and all he said was, 'It's the truth. It did land.' I asked him, 'Well, if it did, where is it?' He again said he couldn't tell me that."

She says, "I could never figure out why an airplane repairman would be called out in the middle of the night to participate in the investigation of a crashed UFO." Only after filing her husband's death certificate with military officials in Washington, D.C., did she learn that he had intelligence clearance during his time in Roswell. "That UFO they found didn't just fly away, so where is it?" she says. "And what happened to the people on it? I still say the Air Force knows what happened. Someday, I hope, we might find out the truth."

Want to find out what the government really knows about UFOs? Richard Dolan has researched it carefully and has surprising information for you Please CLICK HERE FOR DOLAN'S EXPANDED ARTICLE on the above http://www.dallasobserver.com/issues/2003-04-03/feature.html/1/index.html .


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; UFO's
KEYWORDS: 1947; cheesewatch; moosewatch; roswell; tinfoilhat; ufo; xfiles
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Given Werner Von Braun's assertions to his PhD assistant that the war on terror followed by the war on Iraq would be followed by an unnecessary war on ET . . . perhaps we should give more thought to the historical record--as spotty, mysterious, convoluted etc. as it is.

Then there's that story of UFO's over Iraq recently. Still trying to track those down.

Interesting times to be alive.

1 posted on 05/17/2003 12:01:08 PM PDT by Quix
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To: areafiftyone
ping!
2 posted on 05/17/2003 12:04:22 PM PDT by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: Quix

3 posted on 05/17/2003 12:06:19 PM PDT by Stars N Stripes
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To: Quix
"Von Braun's assertions to his PhD assistant...."

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Can you expand upon this?

4 posted on 05/17/2003 12:07:30 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: Quix
Thanks for posting this. Fascinating stuff to read! My parents saw "something" in the sky here in southern California in the early 'fifties. They said that it was shiny and cigar-shaped, and it hovered for ten minutes. They were not ones to tell frivolous stories, and I believe their story to be the truth.
5 posted on 05/17/2003 12:08:26 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: Quix
Given Werner Von Braun's assertions to his PhD assistant that the war on terror followed by the war on Iraq would be followed by an unnecessary war on ET . . . perhaps we should give more thought to the historical record--as spotty, mysterious, convoluted etc. as it is.

Von Braun died in 1977. How do you suppose he knew about the War on Terror?

Then there's that story of UFO's over Iraq recently. Still trying to track those down.

I understand some of them had a horrible, bat-like shape.

Interesting times to be alive.

Maybe "Tinfoil Times" would make a good screen name.

At the very least it scores some points for alliteration...

6 posted on 05/17/2003 12:10:49 PM PDT by Interesting Times (Leftists view the truth as an easily avoidable nuisance)
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To: Stars N Stripes
LOL I'd like to steal your jpg, if it's okay.
7 posted on 05/17/2003 12:11:28 PM PDT by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: El Sordo
Quick Facts; Wernher Von Braun

Birth March 23, 1912
Wirsitz, Germany
Wife Maria von Quistorp von Braun
Children Iris, Magrit, Peter
Interests Family, space, rockets, scuba diving, boating, flying, reading, writing, music, and poetry
U.S. Citizen April 14, 1955
Death June 15, 1977
Alexandria, VA


8 posted on 05/17/2003 12:13:00 PM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: Interesting Times
Great picture! Thanks for posting it!
9 posted on 05/17/2003 12:16:20 PM PDT by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: Quix
My father had a cousin who was a WW2 combat pilot. After his WW2 service, he continued as an Air Force reserve officer, finally retiring in the late '60s. He was a kindly, jovial guy, who always had a twinkle in his eye.

Soon after he retired, he was visiting my folks and someone mentioned a recent UFO story in the news and scoffed at the idea of ETs existing, let alone visiting. My father's cousin lost the twinkle in his eye and got stone, cold serious. He said that he couldn't say much, but that we should not laugh so quickly at the UFO stories.

My father's cousin was a guy who was involved in much political lobbying, both in private business and in his service as a reserve military Officer. I don't know how well he was connected to the UFO stories or to what his point of reference may have been. But he was not of the tinfoil hat crowd nor did he have much time for hair brained conspiracy theories that traveled far about government cover-ups, etc. in that era.

That old guy's instant reaction to the subject of UFOs has me thinking there may be something to it.

10 posted on 05/17/2003 12:17:15 PM PDT by Ghengis
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To: janetgreen
I saw something in 1965 when I was a kid. What I saw hovered too. I was round and the lights seemed to go on and off in a circle around it like a marquee. It was low and it didn't make a sound. I lived in Chicago, not out in the boonies. I never forgot it
11 posted on 05/17/2003 12:17:24 PM PDT by The Brush
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To: annyokie


You're welcome to steal these. I keep them handy for whenever Quix pops up!

12 posted on 05/17/2003 12:17:32 PM PDT by BullDog108 (Feles mala! Cur cista non uteris? Stramentum novum in ea posui.)
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To: Stars N Stripes

13 posted on 05/17/2003 12:18:14 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: Quix
Given Werner Von Braun's assertions to his PhD assistant that the war on terror followed by the war on Iraq would be followed by an unnecessary war on ET

Given that von Braun's been dead and buried for almost 26 years now, maybe you need to rethink this statement...

14 posted on 05/17/2003 12:21:13 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Quix
I always think its interesting that so many UFO photographs were published in the 1950's and 1960's. I used to read those books when I was young, and there was lots of "evidence".

Then the video recorder was invented. We started seeing on-the-spot film of seemingly any event that occurred anywhere. Except UFO's. Don't believe I've ever seen film of a UFO on the evening news. Kinda strange, huh?

I'm no longer a believer.

15 posted on 05/17/2003 12:21:54 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Quix
Bagdad Bob: "No UFO's here. No ET. No. Bagdad safe. Roswell safe. No UFO here."
16 posted on 05/17/2003 12:22:30 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Quix; *tinfoilhat; *cheesewatch; *moosewatch
Too silly.
17 posted on 05/17/2003 12:22:48 PM PDT by LibKill (MOAB, the greatest advance in Foreign Relations since the cat-o'-nine-tails!)
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To: Quix
What I want to know is: where are the weapons testing grounds located in NM? What I'm getting at is, NM is chock full of military and gov't weapons development labs. When I read stuff like this, the possibility that ol' boy was seeing something he shouldn't have is the first that comes to mind.
18 posted on 05/17/2003 12:23:11 PM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: BullDog108
Thanks! I am not familiar with Quix' posts. But, these jpg's certainly seem appropriate here.
19 posted on 05/17/2003 12:23:25 PM PDT by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: ClearCase_guy; Quix
There's lots of video, is there not, Quix?
20 posted on 05/17/2003 12:26:48 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Mulder; DLfromthedesert; ATOMIC_PUNK; Brett66; Bill; Pubbie; Sonny M; TEXOKIE; Alamo-Girl; ...
SECTION 2 of the expanded article in the DALLAS OBSERVER found at:

HERE: http://www.dallasobserver.com/issues/2003-04-03/feature.html/2/index.html

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IS HERE [HER HUBBY *REALLY* SOUNDS LIKE A SUPER FREEPER KIND OF GUY GIVEN HIS PATRIOTISM AND DYING FLAG COMMENT]:

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Her husband, she says, was never one to embellish or lie; neither prankster nor teller of tall tales. "He was a good, Christian man. He loved the military and his country and never spoke bad about either." No, she says, he would never have made up such a story. Nor, if ordered not to, would he have ever talked of matters he was told to keep secret. "That's just the way he was," she says. "On the day he died, the last thing he told me was that he wanted me to promise to fly the flag in front of our house until I drew my last breath."

Though she insists she has never researched the numerous theories of the Roswell crash presented in the countless books or documentaries, she does admit that she has lingering questions she hopes will one day be answered. "That UFO they found didn't just fly away," she says. "So where is it? And what happened to the people on it? I still say the Air Force knows what happened. Someday, I hope, we might find out the truth."

Two years ago she did get an answer to one question that had long bothered her. "I could never figure out why an airplane repairman would be called out in the middle of the night to participate in the investigation of a crashed UFO," she says. Only after filing her husband's death certificate with military officials in Washington, D.C., did she learn that he had intelligence clearance during his Roswell tenure.

Still, if Anne Robbins had embarked on a thorough study of the massive collection of research done on the fabled Roswell crash, she would not find her husband's name among any of the "witnesses" who have come forward over the years. Yet the sketchy details he gave her generally mesh with most of the reconstructed stories found in the ever-growing volume of literature devoted to the crash investigation.

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It was not until 1978, three decades after the brief flurry of interest in the crashed UFO-turned-weather balloon, that Jesse Marcel, the intelligence officer who had been at the center of the original event, came forward with a story far different from the one told attendees of the Carswell news conference.

The material flown from Roswell to Fort Worth was never actually shown to the media, he confided to nuclear physicist-turned-UFO investigator Stanton Friedman. It was, instead, quietly delivered to a research laboratory at Wright-Patterson Army Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio.

Marcel's revised recollections of the 1947 event, along with those of others who had finally chosen to speak out, ultimately appeared in the 1980 book The Roswell Incident co-authored by William Moore and Charles Berlitz, setting off a renewed appetite for information. Soon it came in a virtual flood of eyewitness reports and recollections of family members who, like Anne Robbins, began revealing secrets they had long been told to keep. The Roswell story exploded into the best-known alleged UFO encounter in history.

According to the story now told by researchers, ranging from the serious to those writing for the supermarket tabloids, things far more bizarre had already occurred before Mac Brazel discovered the debris field. Those who have written about the event in the years since suggest a fascinating sequence of events that occurred in the early days of that July:

For several nights, Roswell residents had reportedly seen a strange flying object in the night sky. Though no one would know about it for 30 years, two Franciscan Catholic nuns, working at the local St. Mary's Hospital, even made notations in their diaries that at some time after 11 p.m. on July 4, 1947, they had seen a large flash in the night sky, assuming that it was a plane in distress.

What Roswell AAF radar operator Frank Kaufmann said he saw was even more remarkable. On that same evening he was tracking the strange movement of a mysterious object flying at an incredible rate of speed. Suddenly it began losing altitude and the blip on the radar screen enlarged into a large starburst pattern that suggested an explosion had occurred. It was estimated that the event had occurred somewhere within a 100-mile range northwest of the base and a search team was immediately dispatched.

Jim Ragsdale would later tell of seeing what occurred at much closer range. He and his girlfriend, on a rock-hunting trip, were parked at a secluded campsite on what was known as Boy Scout Mountain, when they saw a flash, then heard a thundering explosion. Within seconds, Ragsdale would later tell researchers, the UFO skipped along the desert not far away, then came to rest at the base of a nearby bluff.

Grabbing flashlights, he and his girlfriend made their way to the crash site where he says a saucer-shaped vehicle had come to rest. Not only did he eventually tell of seeing the crashed UFO but the bodies of several "childlike" passengers. After picking up a few pieces of debris from the wreckage, the young couple decided to return to their pickup and wait until daylight for a better look.

When they did return, Ragsdale later wrote in a sworn affidavit, they saw a military convoy arriving and briefly hid to watch before deciding to leave (taking with them pieces of the debris he says they later showed to numerous people in a nearby bar). Had they remained, the story goes, they would have eventually seen the UFO hoisted by crane onto the bed of a flatbed truck and the bodies placed in another military vehicle that was ordered to quickly return to the Roswell base hospital.

The actual crash site, then, had been swept clear by military personnel hours before Mac Brazel rode up on the debris field several miles away. Later, researchers would assume that the craft had apparently first hit on the Foster Ranch, sliding along for a distance, then had briefly managed to become airborne again before crashing.

If the material found in such books as The Truth About the UFO Crash at Roswell, Crash at Corona, Beyond Roswell, and Alien Contact: Top Secret UFO Files Revealed is to be believed, the interplanetary visit was, in many respects, a pretty poorly kept secret from the get-go. The only problem is, it was years before folks would talk about it.

Yet, before their deaths, numerous people or their descendants recounted anecdotes of involvement in and observations made during the strange event.

[Q: BOLD & COLOR EMPHASES ADDED as well as some large paragraphs broken into 2 or more]

For instance, long after his father's death in 1986, Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr., 66, still tells of Major Marcel stopping by the house on an early July morning in 1947 to show him and his mother pieces of the crash debris that he had collected. Eleven years old at the time, Dr. Marcel recalled his father bringing pieces of the downed "flying disc" from his car and spreading them on the kitchen floor. He recalled handling the aluminum foil-like material and seeing the unusual symbols on what he said looked like pieces of black plastic.

Now living in Helena, Montana, Dr. Marcel says the most remarkable memory he has of the pieces his father showed him was of the geometric-like symbols on some of them. "I've always referred to them as I-beams," he says, "though I have no idea what they really were.

"My father was very excited about what they had found," Dr. Marcel says, "and since our house was on the way to the base, he just decided to stop by and show it to us. Then he took it on out to the base."

Major Marcel's excitement, however, was quickly muted. "The next day," his son remembers, "he sat down with my mother and me and told us we were never to talk about what he'd shown us. He said, 'Don't think about it. It didn't happen.'"

Today, Dr. Marcel remains convinced that the material his father showed him came from another world.

Then there is the story that the late Sergeant Melvin Brown waited until 1970 to tell his daughters. Retired and living in England, he said that he had been at the crash site in '47 and was assigned to guard the alien bodies as they were being transported back to the base. Though sworn to secrecy, he finally told of being ordered to ride in an "ice-filled truck" that was to take the bodies to a hangar. On the trip, Brown told his daughter Beverly Bean, he had lifted a tarp and seen "two, possibly three bodies."

And there were others who would eventually tell of seeing the alien bodies, including Roswell AAF radar operator Kaufmann, who would later claim to have been among those ordered to the crash site where, he later told researchers Don Schmitt and Kevin Randle, authors of UFO Crash at Roswell, he saw five small aliens, all clearly dead.

Oliver "Pappy" Henderson, a World War II pilot assigned to the Roswell Army Air Field at the time, allegedly told friend Dr. John Kromschroeder during a fishing trip in 1978 that he had flown much of the debris--and the bodies of what he only described as "those little guys"--to Wright-Patterson aboard a C-47. Shortly before his death in 1986, Henderson also told the story to his wife.

In his book, The Day After Roswell, retired Colonel Philip Corso is far more graphic as he writes of a night a sentry urged him to enter an off-limits Wright-Patterson building where more than 30 crates of Henderson's cargo had been stacked against a wall, draped by large tarps. When the sentry pointed to a particular crate he'd already looked in--in clear violation of orders he'd been given --Corso opened it and shined a flashlight on its contents.

"My stomach rolled right up into my throat, and I almost became sick," he writes. "[Inside] was a coffin, but not like any coffin I'd ever seen before. The contents, enclosed in a thick glass container, were submerged in a thick light blue liquid...

"At first I thought it was a dead child they were shipping somewhere. But it was no child. It was a 4-foot human-shaped figure with arms, bizarre-looking four-fingered hands--I didn't see a thumb--thin legs and feet and an oversized incandescent light bulb-shaped head...the eyesockets were oversized and almond-shaped..."

Perhaps the most provocative story came not from a member of the military but, instead, a Roswell mortician named Glenn Dennis. Twenty-two at the time and director of the local Ballard Funeral Home, he told of receiving a telephone call from the base on the afternoon of July 5, 1947, asking if he could provide several "small," hermetically sealed caskets. Thirty minutes later, he would eventually recall to numerous researchers and journalists, he answered a second call, this time with a series of questions about the techniques of embalming and preserving dead bodies and if such processes would alter the chemical contents of blood and tissue. Finally, he reported, he was asked what happened to body tissue after it had been exposed to the elements.

Curious, Dennis says he asked if there was something he could help with and was told the questions were only "for future reference."

Later that day, Dennis recalled, he had driven an injured airman to the base infirmary. While there, he noticed an unusual amount of activity at the base hospital. Encountering a nurse named Naomi Selff in the hallway, she was clearly surprised to see him and warned that "he wasn't supposed to be there and had better leave immediately."

Minutes later, his story went, he was escorted by two military police all the way back to the funeral home.

It was not until the following day that he learned what had been happening. He phoned nurse Selff and they agreed to meet for lunch. Obviously distraught, she told him of seeing three small bodies, two of which were badly mutilated, and of being ordered by attending military doctors to take notes while they conducted their examinations. The stench of the corpses, she allegedly told him, had been almost more than she could stand. Before he returned her to her barrack, Dennis recalled, she drew sketches of the aliens on a prescription pad and gave them to him with a warning that he should "show them to no one."

That, the mortician says, was the last time he ever saw her. After numerous unsuccessful attempts to reach her by phone, he learned several days later that she had suddenly been reassigned to duty in England. Shortly thereafter, he was told that she had died there in a plane crash.

Co-founder of the Roswell museum with Haut, Dennis is currently in poor health and was unable to speak with the Observer about his well-chronicled story.

But for every true believer there are skeptics, researchers who have picked away at the colorful, unimaginable stories in search of their flaws. And they have found many. Among the debunkers is Kal K. Korff, author of The Roswell UFO Crash: What They Don't Want You to Know. He not only questions why so many waited so long to come forward with the stories but points out that many of them are, like that of Anne Robbins, hand-me-down tales allegedly kept secret until the firsthand witnesses were dead.

Korff's questions are valid: Why have some of the reported witness accounts described the downed UFO as "saucer-shaped" while others remember it being "triangular-shaped with small wings?" While most who claimed to have seen the bodies recall there being three, others say they saw as many as five. Some say all were dead, others that one or more was still alive. Descriptions of the color of the small bodies range from gray to brown. How could mortician Haut have "lost" something as important as the drawings he says his nurse friend made and gave to him? And if, in fact, so many civilians collected pieces of the strange-looking debris, why has not a single piece of it ever surfaced?

[Q: SOME SAY THERE WERE TWO different CRAFT CRASHES of different shapes--in rougly the same large area of Southwestern New Mexico.]

It was not until 1994 that an Air Force investigation into the aging Roswell affair resulted in an announcement that the material found on the Foster Ranch was, in fact, a crashed high-altitude test balloon that would eventually be able to monitor Soviet nuclear testing. Actually a chain of radar-equipped balloons, it had been launched on July 4, 1947, and was tracked to within 17 miles of the Foster Ranch before disappearing.

[Q: THIS tall gov tale is nonsense--the dummies they claimed were involved were not even in use until at least 3-8 years AFTER the crashes occurred.]

When the explanation failed to satisfy many "believers," the Air Force released yet another report in '97, this one titled The Roswell Report--Case Closed, in which it attempted to answer the lingering question of the "bodies" allegedly seen at the crash site. What the so-called witnesses had seen, according to the report, were nothing more than crash-test dummies that were part of a military experiment in parachute and ejector seat designs.

That, too, failed to satisfy those determined that the governmental cover-up continued. Such tests, several military researchers argued, had not even begun until the mid-'50s.

"The reason the interest in the Roswell case remains and, in fact, seems to grow," says Mark Rodeghier, scientific director of the Chicago-based Center for UFO Studies, "is the fact the government has never given a reasonable explanation of what occurred that summer of 1947."

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Thus it continues, an unexplained event that has turned into an industry. What happened or didn't happen 56 years ago has lured 1.3 million to the International UFO Museum and Research Center since it opened in 1992. A guided tour of the desolate "crash site" is now available. Then, there was the long-lost film of the "autopsy" of one of the Roswell aliens that was shown on television worldwide before being discounted as fake, and a stream of new books and articles that continues to flow. Clearly, the public loves the mystery. According to a recent poll, a large percentage of the U.S. population continues to believe something unworldly occurred that July on the Foster Ranch.

Walter Haut, one of the few major figures in the long-ago story still living, is among them. "I'm sure," he says, "that over the years much of the story has been exaggerated. But, yes, I believe that something happened out there in 1947." And he's not speaking of a weather balloon crash.

[Q: Evidently the skeleton put forward in the formerly highly secrete KGB movies on a recent Sci Fi channel program--showing a clearly classic UFO critter skull shape--has plenty of validity.]

21 posted on 05/17/2003 12:27:46 PM PDT by Quix (MAY BIBLE CODE DIGEST IS UP AT biblecodedigest.com)
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To: Stars N Stripes
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww,

you're soooooooooooooooooooooo

sweeeeeet.
22 posted on 05/17/2003 12:28:29 PM PDT by Quix (MAY BIBLE CODE DIGEST IS UP AT biblecodedigest.com)
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To: Quix
No, Really!


23 posted on 05/17/2003 12:31:49 PM PDT by Normal4me
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To: bigfootbob
His PhD assistant the last 4 years of his life was at one time a CEO in a defense related industry and she, herself sat in on a meeting of puppet masters planning in the early or mid 70's

A) TERRORISM to be followed by
B) A WAR ON TERRORISM to be followed by
C) A WAR ON IRAQ to be followed by
D) A WAR ON Von Braun insisted benign ET's

--all unnecessary but all toward an effort he refused to talk even to his assistant about but seemed to allude to a plan to set up a global government.

I'm going to THE DISCLOSURE PROJECT to try and track down the link shortly.

24 posted on 05/17/2003 12:33:32 PM PDT by Quix (MAY BIBLE CODE DIGEST IS UP AT biblecodedigest.com)
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To: Quix
Was there something to Roswell?? Probably...however..it could have been Russians spying or Japanese in the Aerodynamicly designed craft....

In either case, the Government would have wanted it kept hush, hush to keep the populus from panicing or thinking Washington could not protect them...
25 posted on 05/17/2003 12:34:08 PM PDT by Ecliptic (Keep looking to the sky)
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To: annyokie
This is a good site for nice large aircraft pictures from private aviation to airliners and military aircraft.

http://www.airliners.net/

Enjoy.
26 posted on 05/17/2003 12:37:41 PM PDT by RJL
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To: All
A) TERRORISM to be followed by
B) A WAR ON TERRORISM to be followed by
C) A WAR ON IRAQ to be followed by
D) A WAR ON Von Braun insisted benign ET's to be followed by
E) LUNCH

27 posted on 05/17/2003 12:37:49 PM PDT by John W
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To: RJL
Thanks! I'll pass it on to all my aviator pals!
28 posted on 05/17/2003 12:40:10 PM PDT by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: El Sordo
You can track the article down at THE DISCLOSURE PROJECT.

Let me see if I can find the link.

The below brief paragraph is from:

HERE: http://www.disclosureproject.org/GreatestSecret1pg.htm

HERE'S A BRIEF PARAGRAPH:

Corporate Manager of Fairchild Industries, Spokesperson for Wernher Von Braun, Dr. Carol Rosin Von Braun [rocket science pioneer] told me [in 1974] the reasons for space-based weaponry were all based on a lie. He said the strategy was that first the Russians, then the terrorists are going to be considered the enemy. The next enemy was asteroids. "The last card is the alien card, and all of it is a lie."….I was at a meeting in Fairchild Industries in the War Room. The conversation [was] about how they were going to antagonize these enemies, and there was going to be a Gulf War. Now this is 1977! -- pp. 255 - 259.

29 posted on 05/17/2003 12:40:58 PM PDT by Quix (MAY BIBLE CODE DIGEST IS UP AT biblecodedigest.com)
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To: Quix
You know what, I would have more respect for these aliens if they just invaded the planet, and used us to drain our precious bodily fluids.

Why abduct people, use them for experiments, and create crop circles? What is the purpose of THAT?!

Why don't they act the way aliens do in Hollywood Damn It!

I'm Serious!
30 posted on 05/17/2003 12:44:25 PM PDT by Pubbie (Bill Owens for Prez and Jeb as VP in '08.)
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To: BullDog108
You seem to be of a particularly narrow and rigid minded bent--or perhaps not toooo easily enlightened in some subject areas.

I wonder . . .

would you be willing to pledge to post a photo of the look on your face should proof come to wide spread light of our contentions?
31 posted on 05/17/2003 12:46:15 PM PDT by Quix (MAY BIBLE CODE DIGEST IS UP AT biblecodedigest.com)
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To: Quix
I mean NOTHING they do makes ANY sense!

Stupid aliens...
32 posted on 05/17/2003 12:47:15 PM PDT by Pubbie (Bill Owens for Prez and Jeb as VP in '08.)
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To: Quix
Albert Einstein's PhD assistant is on record that Einstein knew of these coming events:

A) Assassination of whichever man was elected president in 1960. To take place in Dallas.
B) Fake Moon landing, to be broadcast in summer of 1969
C) Red Sox losing world series due to ball rolling between first baseman's legs
D) Son of a US Senator conceding 2000 Presidential election, then changing his mind
E) War on Terrorism
F) War on ET
G) Matrix Reloaded breaks box office records

Einstein knew all of this! In the 1950's!!!

33 posted on 05/17/2003 12:47:32 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Quix
On July 8, 1947, witnesses claim a spaceship with 5 aliens crashed on a sheep and cattle ranch outside of Roswell, an incident they say was covered up by the government. On March 31, 1948, 9 months later, Al Gore was born.

That clears up a lot of questions.
34 posted on 05/17/2003 12:48:27 PM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: Quix
UFO's..the endless debate;

Yet many watch Star Trek..and hold a respect for the many concepts forwarded therin

Plasma drive...For 5 years operated a Plasma steel/alloy steel cutting machine.

Plasma is electricity and gas mix...my machine..Cryogenic Nitrogen.

Currently...satillites orbit the earth..they are equiped with Zenon Ion drive thrusters...Zenon the gas used for combustion.

Built by Boeing..they are also R and D on a deep space Ion drive system..which is plasma drive.

So what you see on Star Trek..is in fact..real reality to some degree..or progenitor.

The aspect of Interdimential Physics has my intererst...certainly a field we are only in diapers in.

How do we know for sure....that Roswell was not an Ingress from an interdimentional portal..with an accident.

Pondering ships in our time space ...rocketing accross the universe..making no noise..leaving no signature of their transit....maybe no one is out there in our neighbourhood....unless we are having info witheld from us.

But Interdimensional realities are possible....so the door for UFO must be left open...

Unless soemone has absolute proof...that Interdimensional realities do not exist. : )

35 posted on 05/17/2003 12:53:43 PM PDT by Light Speed
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To: Poohbah; areafiftyone; annyokie; El Sordo; janetgreen; Interesting Times; bigfootbob; Ghengis; ...
NOT AT ALL, Poohbah.

Either one believes that the CEO of Fairchild Industries is lying or she's not.

If she's not--then Werner was either lying or he was not. Near his death, he had little motivation for lying about such matters.

HE LOGICALLY WAS IN A POSITION TO KNOW about such plans of the puppet masters even back in 1970-1975.

I fail to understand what's so difficult about these basic facts. I suppose it's POSSIBLE that you could have some vested interest motivation in throwing cold water on such stories. But I prefer to think otherwise.

Please see my post number 29 with a BRIEF paragraph about SOME of Dr Carol Rosin's comments.

36 posted on 05/17/2003 12:54:26 PM PDT by Quix (MAY BIBLE CODE DIGEST IS UP AT biblecodedigest.com)
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To: Quix
When they did return, Ragsdale later wrote in a sworn affidavit, they saw a military convoy arriving and briefly hid to watch before deciding to leave (taking with them pieces of the debris he says they later showed to numerous people in a nearby bar).

So where is the debris now?
37 posted on 05/17/2003 1:01:33 PM PDT by gcruse (Vice is nice, but virtue can hurt you. --Bill Bennett)
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To: Interesting Times
In recent travels with closely related relatives I haven't seen in a long time, I stayed in the home of my cousin who's remarried a retired Air Force Master Sgt.

They both know a fellow--formerly of I think Sandia Labs. My cousin was raised in a church that often had folks from there attending.

Anyway--they both knew the fellow say from Sandia Labs who was cited in a book I was reading with me about Dulce and the purported deep caverns and UFO ET/USA military wars there.

I was uhhh given to understand . . . that I should not at all poohpooh anything this Sandia Base fellow would be saying or even hinting at. They knew him to be extremely solid, reliable, trustworthy, honest etc.

SO--*FOR ME*--another piece of the puzzle fell into place.

OF course, all who want to stick their heads in the sand; rationalize or out-right ignore evidence--it's quite understandable. I just haven't had that luxury since decades ago my close relative worked around the craft in the area 51 region.

38 posted on 05/17/2003 1:02:13 PM PDT by Quix (MAY BIBLE CODE DIGEST IS UP AT biblecodedigest.com)
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To: Quix
In the late 60s in California, we accidentally came across a dozen or so UFOs while attempting to photograph the Planet Saturn with a 10 inch Newtonian, reflecting telescope. We tracked the objects for about 30 seconds. All perfectly round, illuminated, and appeared seemed to be traveling at very high altitude in a formation no less, no noise was heard, and they were all heading south west at a high rate of speed......

About two weeks later, I walked into a store and was stunned when I looked at the front cover of Life magazine and saw the same objects we had seen earlier, it was titled, UFOs over Texas, they were calling them Lubbock(sp)Lights. They were apparently seen by many in Texas.......

I have no idea what they were, but they were not aircraft with wings....

39 posted on 05/17/2003 1:03:20 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: janetgreen
Thanks for your kind reply.

One has to wear their asbestos/titanium jock strap when posting such hereon. The tinfoil hat flingers can become rather fierce and very routinely quite insulting at best.
40 posted on 05/17/2003 1:05:08 PM PDT by Quix (MAY BIBLE CODE DIGEST IS UP AT biblecodedigest.com)
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To: Interesting Times
I assume you understand the answer to your question by now if you read my #29 post.

There's a much lengthier discussion of same in the DISCLOSURE PROJECT book. I suppose I could scan in and OCR the chapter or section and post it but I'm not likely to do so in the next hours.
41 posted on 05/17/2003 1:06:23 PM PDT by Quix (MAY BIBLE CODE DIGEST IS UP AT biblecodedigest.com)
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To: bigfootbob
Do you now understand the viability of the timeline if you've read my post #29?
42 posted on 05/17/2003 1:07:06 PM PDT by Quix (MAY BIBLE CODE DIGEST IS UP AT biblecodedigest.com)
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To: Ghengis
Since I have had MANY such associations with people in positions to know--I have 0.000% trouble believing the truth of what your relatives said.

Thanks for a kind post.
43 posted on 05/17/2003 1:08:02 PM PDT by Quix (MAY BIBLE CODE DIGEST IS UP AT biblecodedigest.com)
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To: The Brush
Your description is a very common one.

I have no trouble believing it.

I'm still coming to terms with just realizing recently that Dulce is a LOT CLOSER to Farmington than I'd thought. Not a pleasant thought.
44 posted on 05/17/2003 1:09:12 PM PDT by Quix (MAY BIBLE CODE DIGEST IS UP AT biblecodedigest.com)
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To: nwrep
I haven't kept up on the autopsy video arguments. I've read contentions on all sides and seen it go back and forth in summary so many times I lost interest.

To me, the descriptions of the bodies, even of autopsied bodies from various sources--are so numerous and so diverse in their sources etc., I no longer have any significant doubts about the common themes in the descriptions.

Now therefore what is a whole 'nother issue.

Are they genetically engineered 'skins' for demons? Somehow that's plausible but insufficient for all the stories.

Perhaps it's both/and. True ET slave class critters AND in cahoots with demons or indwelt by them???

We shall see in due course.

"Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord."

I figure that includes ET's--whether they have knees or tongues or not.

45 posted on 05/17/2003 1:13:04 PM PDT by Quix (MAY BIBLE CODE DIGEST IS UP AT biblecodedigest.com)
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To: Poohbah
Clearly--perhaps understandably--but clearly you have not read a lot of what I've posted over the months/years. Or, perhaps you've chosen to deliberately ignore it before composing your responses.

The answer to your contention has been posted and addressed to you more than once or twice, as I recall.

You either believe Dr Rosin or you don't.

To me, it would take more blind faith not to, than to believe her.
46 posted on 05/17/2003 1:15:11 PM PDT by Quix (MAY BIBLE CODE DIGEST IS UP AT biblecodedigest.com)
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To: TomGuy
THANKS.
47 posted on 05/17/2003 1:15:36 PM PDT by Quix (MAY BIBLE CODE DIGEST IS UP AT biblecodedigest.com)
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To: LibKill
You must have a LOT of rather BLIND faith in your construction on reality.

OR perhaps you just have a huge, intense bias toward a TYPE I error instead of any concerns about a TYPE II error.
48 posted on 05/17/2003 1:16:31 PM PDT by Quix (MAY BIBLE CODE DIGEST IS UP AT biblecodedigest.com)
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To: maxwell
I can understand your conjecture.

But it doesn't contend with 1,000's of data points and 100's of first hand witnesses--first hand to the events and technology stuff and/or first hand witnesses in terms of relatives witnessing those witnesses.

Certainly NM is rife with highly classified stuff. That lots of it is derived from UFO craft is exceedingly probable, at this point.
49 posted on 05/17/2003 1:18:16 PM PDT by Quix (MAY BIBLE CODE DIGEST IS UP AT biblecodedigest.com)
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To: annyokie
Somehow I find your open-mindedness underwhelming.

But then, I don't have the luxury of the paucity of your experience or the paucity of your review of the evidence

in such matters.
50 posted on 05/17/2003 1:19:34 PM PDT by Quix (MAY BIBLE CODE DIGEST IS UP AT biblecodedigest.com)
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