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I am not sure where to get vitamin and mineral advice particularly ratios. Pcp sends me to nutritionist who is clueless. Osteopathy? Naturopaths?
chickensoup | chickensoup

Posted on 12/17/2023 10:56:21 AM PST by Chickensoup

I am not sure where to get vitamin and mineral advice particularly ratios. Pcp sends me to nutritionist who is clueless. Osteopathy? Naturopaths?

I understand now that ratios od vitamins D magnesium and calcium have to be looked after to not demineralize bones or clog arteries.

Your thoughts appreciated.

I will leave this here and come back to it later.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: chugalittlebleach; vitamins
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To: CFW

Agree! ....late wife with Stage 4 cancer diagnosis had specialty supplements with mushroom extracts that helped shrink lesions in two cancers until a third aggressive form killed her. But with the supps she lasted twice as long as Oncologists expected which helped with teens in the house .... ymmv


21 posted on 12/17/2023 11:32:29 AM PST by PalominoGuy ( )
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To: Chickensoup
Kramer knows a guy...


22 posted on 12/17/2023 11:32:44 AM PST by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: Chickensoup

See eatthismuch.com


23 posted on 12/17/2023 11:33:47 AM PST by batazoid (Plainclothes cop at Capital during Jan 6 riot...)
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To: Chickensoup

I second Rockingham’s Life Extension recommendation. lef.org


24 posted on 12/17/2023 11:34:18 AM PST by SFmom
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To: Chickensoup

Vitamin C: take as much as you need to feel right; it is safer than water; there is no lethal dose.

Vitamin D: keep your blood level at 50-100 ng/ml; you need a blood test to really know. Rule of thumb: average people 4000-5000 IU/day, indoor people 7000-8000 IU/day, outdoor people 2000-3000 IU day.

B-vitamins: A good multivitamin should cover this; I take Life Extension’s 2 per day, and also add 500 mg niacinamide + 100 mg niacin.

Zinc: 30-50 mg/day
Magnesium: ~400 mg/day
Boron ~3 mg/day
Chromium: 200 mcg/day
Selenium 200 mcg/day

Calcium/Iron: do not supplement; you will get enough in your diet, and overdose is toxic!

Copper: a tiny amount mixed with zinc is OK, otherwise do not supplement, it can also be toxic.

Coenzyme Q10: 100mg ubiquinone or 50 mg ubiquinol as soft gel; take more if you need more for energy.

PQQ: 20 mg/day or more for mitochondrial health.

Omega-3 fat: eat fish/flax or take capsules, but be sure your diet contains some.

Good luck with your health.


25 posted on 12/17/2023 11:34:59 AM PST by devere
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To: fightin kentuckian

Yep. Two very trustworthy sources.


26 posted on 12/17/2023 11:35:13 AM PST by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: CFW

27 posted on 12/17/2023 11:35:26 AM PST by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: fightin kentuckian
"Never eat or drink anything white"

-Michael Savage

(Not advice I ever followed, but he seemed pretty sound on his facts. He also said to always ride a bicycle and to do balance and position exercises to get out in front of frailties and falls)

28 posted on 12/17/2023 11:38:23 AM PST by blackdog ((Z28.310) My dog Sam eats purple flowers.)
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To: Chickensoup

When I was 28 my general practice doctor told me to take a prenatal vitamin each day. I did. I have. I still do along with my wife of 42 years. The prenatal are the cheapest highest safe dose vitamin and mineral supplement you can take.


29 posted on 12/17/2023 11:43:24 AM PST by blackdog ((Z28.310) My dog Sam eats purple flowers.)
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I know your frustration. I know someone with severe liver issues who had a relative who paid over $10,000 to a nutritionist to customize a whole diet for him. He was diagnosed as a diabetic and on two drugs, at that point, too.

The dietician gave him the highest carb diet, possible, using old diabetic guidelines. He was told to buy these protein-free, nearly all maltodextrin shakes, as at least one meal, and his snacks, each day. This was NOT the new resistant starch version of maltodextrin.

I told the person and had it passed back to the relative that this diet would kill him. No protein or fat, but carbs like crazy.

Diabetes is a problem with insulin and glucose, the very things he most needed to limit, not relying on higher drug use, or a third drug.

After consternation, and talking with a different doctor than before, they scrapped the diet and he's doing a sort of low carb Mediterranean diet.

30 posted on 12/17/2023 11:44:00 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Chickensoup

Look up nutrition value.org

Tells you alot about what you eat.


31 posted on 12/17/2023 11:51:17 AM PST by waterhill (I Believe all you need for home defense is an 870 and a Catahoula)
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To: Chickensoup

Take K2. It pushes calcium into the bones and away from the arteries.


32 posted on 12/17/2023 11:57:59 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Chickensoup

Maybe you need a therapist to get at the bottom of your obsession with vitamins and nutritional supplements?


33 posted on 12/17/2023 12:00:01 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Chickensoup

I take lots of different vitamins and minerals, etc., but the four things I swear by are-
vitamin D, zinc, probiotics, and glucosamine.


34 posted on 12/17/2023 12:02:19 PM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Strange that a man with his wealth would have to resort to prostitution.)
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To: nutmeg

bookmark


35 posted on 12/17/2023 12:04:21 PM PST by nutmeg (FJB)
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To: sasquatch

Primary care physician.


36 posted on 12/17/2023 12:07:32 PM PST by Laslo Fripp (Semper Fidelis)
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To: Chickensoup
Have you had labwork done to determine if you are insufficient in magnesium, calcium, etc.? Have you had a bone density test to determine if you have osteopenia, or osteoporosis. Taking supplements that you don't need can cause problems as well. I ended up in the hospital back in early 2016 with low sodium, low potassium, low magnesium, and I was taking potassium supplements prescribed by my doctor. They told me then that too much potassium can bring on cardiac arrest as too low potassium can. I was also on hydrochlorothiazide at the time, and was told to go off both.

Besides having diabetes, high blood pressure, and hypothyroidism for at least 30+ years, I also have a hyper para-thyroid that produces too much calcium, so my numbers are always high when I have blood tests. Other than surgery, they can't do anything about it.

Many years ago I was on Actonel for treatment of ostepenia. It made my liver enzymes go so high, they thought I had liver cancer. Thankfully, I didn't, but I had to go off the Actonel. They substituted Miacalcin nasal spray which I used for years without problem, until they discovered the problem with my para-thyroid.

Last year, my then endocrinologist/family doctor put me on Fosamax for Osteoporosis, despite my reminding him of the problem I'd had with Actonel. They are both in the same drug class. As well, he changed my cholesterol medication from Prevastatin to Atorvastatin, and switched me from regular Lisinopril to Lisinopril-hydrochlorothiazide. I cautioned him regarding the issue I'd had with the long-time use of HTCZ in the past. He insisted there wouldn't be a problem, but there was. I ended up with adverse side-effects which screwed up every body chemical/enzyme, etc. that I had. They were either too high, or too low. I immediately stopped taking the Atorvastatin because I believed that was the main culprit. It had changed my urine orange after a week. After going to the emergency room because my heart was racing one morning upon rising, the emergency room doctor told me to stop taking the Lisinopril-hydrochlorothiazide as well. I had stopped taking the Fosamax on my own about the same time, and won't take any of those meds for Osteoporosis ever again. I'm 76, and still taking only oral meds for my diabetes (since late 90's). It took me 8 weeks to get back to normal after the adverse side-effects. My new family doctor tweaked some of my blood pressure medications, and my last two blood tests have been within normal range, except for the calcium. I have a new endocrinologist, because thankfully, my old one retired last December.

All I'm saying is to be very careful with the supplements you use, because you can actually do more harm than good to your body.

37 posted on 12/17/2023 12:07:39 PM PST by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: Chickensoup
Pcp sends me to nutritionist who is clueless. Osteopathy? Naturopaths?

Go see your local auto specialist. Not only will you get free advice, but likely a discount on an oil change.......

38 posted on 12/17/2023 12:09:20 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (This Is The Way)
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To: PalominoGuy

My mother took Turkey Tail, Shitae, and Reishi mushroom supplements. Unfortunately, her holistic doctor retired in 2021. Government directives during Covid pretty much destroyed his business since it was a small office and he couldn’t comply with all the requirements. Also, suddenly the company that he got his vitamins from had “item not currently available” responses when I tried to order directly from them. It was a small business, used only specially prepared mushroom supplements with no fillers, and suffered also due to Covid restrictions. There is no telling how many people’s life was shortened due to government restrictions on businesses during those three years.


39 posted on 12/17/2023 12:10:41 PM PST by CFW (I will not comply!)
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To: mass55th

“I had stopped taking the Fosamax on my own about the same time, and won’t take any of those meds for Osteoporosis ever again. “


After a bone density test, my PCP put me on Osteo meds as well. All had severe side effects, but especially Fosamax. After taking it my legs hurt so bad I could barely walk. I also had rapid heart rate problems. I refuse to try anymore and told them what will be will be.


40 posted on 12/17/2023 12:15:10 PM PST by CFW (I will not comply!)
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