Posted on 10/23/2019 3:01:25 AM PDT by sodpoodle
I have heard that some RFID fobs can be read and mimicked even if you do not operate them. The thieves query the fobs when you enter a store or restaurant, and they or a confederate can then operate your car with the clone. I believe that metal lined containers can counter this scheme. If you are lucky enough to have an RFID key fob you probably already know this.
But if you manually lock it, the alarm doesnt activate. At least thats how my Viper system works.
The real problem is the code is being sent unencrypted because the smart designers obviously didn’t forsee this problem.
Nothing really new. This problem has been going on in Germany for several years. There’s been episodes where guys staked out houses with the expensive cars, and cloned the signal....to steal the car at 1 AM.
I hate to suggest it, but I think within five years...new cars will have to go require a revolving pin number to open the door.
This guy should have taken a picture of these guys, and taken their license plate number. I really can’t stand people stealing from others instead of doing something honest for a living.
That said, how in the world could this problem not been anticipated by the engineers?
They used to shoot horse thieves.
So tell me the advantage of “wi-fi type keys as opposed to a MANUAL lock system and simple kill switch? The novelty of all the new gizmos and gadgets wears away quickly when you see it is more of a detriment than advance . But people are stupid and more than likely feel all warm and fuzzy when their motorized horse chirps and flashes lights when they push a button transmitting their code ......
******new cars will have to require a revolving pin number to open the door*****
Or just use old fashioned ‘keys’!!!!! Like the ones attached to the fobs - to start the engine;) My old Jeep key does both = opens doors and starts the motor!
Yep. Now we have dog thieves, identity thieves, credit card hacking thieves, house title thieves, data hacking thieves, insider trading thieves, thieves who rob people when they’re at a funeral for a loved one, etc. etc. Thieves are really diversifying.
Really? Snopes approved? Let's find out: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/code-grabbers-remote-keyless-entry/
From the above Snopes article:
However, times change and technology advances. In response to the fixed code security weakness, automakers shifted from RKEs with fixed codes to systems employing rolling random codes. These codes change every time a given RKE system is used to lock or unlock car doors and thus rendered the earlier code grabbers ineffective. That form of more robust code system became the industry standard for remote keyless entry systems in the mid-1990s, so automobiles newer than that are not vulnerable to being quickly and easily opened by criminals armed with the first generation of code grabbers.
So relax, nobody is going to steal your code if you use your remote to lock your car.
I use my key to lock/unlock; I carry the fob in my pocket in case I happen to lock the key inside.
Re-read that description. It only says that “first generation” code grabbers are ineffective. If you think there aren’t newer versions of that technology that can handle the code roll, you’re dangerously naive (and so are the Snopes losers).
This nonsense is entirely driven by insurance companies that kick back money to the auto makers to impose stupid security measures to reduce insurance company losses.
They brought us GM’s famous “Pass Lock” system that stranded motorists for years before it was discontinued. Now we get a $300 key fob that costs $3000 to fix if you lose the last one they provide.
Great.
If you have a credit card with a chip thieves can use a similar technique to read your credit card info when you walk by. Use tinfoil around your credit cards or RFID blocking wallet and credit card sleeves. Someone charged $90 for breakfast in Wisconsin and bought something in California at the same time on my card.
Agreed. I didn't buy the 'email' at all. Why would the thieves continue to unlock the door with the owner so close that he could hear the click? After the first time, they obviously would wait until he was far enough away that he couldn't hear it.
One of our kids apartments just had keyless locks installed on the front door. How vulnerable are they, or do these kinds of locks use a different encryption technology?
“Snopes approved”. Now I don’t know what to believe.
Yeah, snopes means nothing to me
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