Argentinian navy detects noises that could be from missing sub

cnn ^ | 11/20/2017

[ASOC]

Pretty decent of us to help out a country that has called for our destruction..... Not that anyone would notice or those that do, would think of us as a chump.

[gr8eman]

Hell of a way to die

[RinaseaofDs]

I watched a documentary about USS Kentucky, a missile boat of ours.

As soon as they submerge to a certain depth, they stop the boat and do a stem to stern inspection looking for leaks.

These are the most advanced undersea craft available, and even the US Navy leak checks their boats.

That is respect for the elements for you. I was very impressed.

[Az Joe]

I doubt they go safely go much beyond 1,300 feet deep. 99% chance they’re gone.

[bubbacluck]

I thought I had read that there were twenty foot seas when they lost contact. It would be difficult to run on the surface for a sub in those conditions, I would think. If there were battery problems they could not run submerged and would have to stay on the surface in the storm.

[Az Joe]

My old, WW II era diesel boat leaked about 10-15 gallons a minute at periscope depth (60 feet). At test depth (400 feet) the leaks dropped to a few gallons a minute.

[Az Joe]

Diesel boats spend most of their time at sea on the surface.

[Ace's Dad]

The US Navy P-8A may be the best hope for finding the sub. It may be too late, sorry to say.

[mazda77]

I was scanning down to find the first person that caught that. I was going to say they should have stricken the sails before the storm hit and made sure the screen doors were battened down.

[Mariner]

The pressure at even 900ft is incomprehensible.

Some of the attack boats go down to 2,000ft.

[Buffalo Head]

"I may be wrong, CNN, but don't submarines travel UNDER the water?"

Yes, you are wrong. Diesel electric subs only run under water when they want to or have to be more stealthy. Their batteries can only be charged when they are on the surface running on diesel power.

Score one for CNN - damn it!

[Hillarys Gate Cult]

snip -"the Argentine Navy turned to oat-maker..."

I think I fond their problem.

[TexasGator]

“I may be wrong, CNN, but don’t submarines travel UNDER the water? “

You are not wring but your implication is misguided.

[Snickering Hound]

I wonder if this is one of our old fleet type subs.

Republic of China is the last navy still operating old USN Guppy's.

[ETL]

Reminds me of this eerie episode of the Twilight Zone...

“In 1963, a U.S. Navy destroyer is on a routine patrol off Guadalcanal when sonar picks up a sound beneath the waves; the crew say that it sounds like something banging on metal.

They discover a submarine on the ocean floor, but inquiries to naval command reveal no recent sinkings in the area. A joking suggestion from some of the crew that the sub may be haunted sends an anxious and bewildered Chief Bell, who has been feeling unwell for a couple of days, into a frenzy of bizarre behavior, including fainting spells. The commander, Captain Beecham, orders the ship’s diver, McClure, to investigate. They find out that it is an American submarine, and the metal sound is coming from inside.

When McClure bangs on the submarine hull, the metal banging restarts in seeming response. Chief Bell begins to see apparitions of dead sailors beckoning him. The ship’s doctor unsuccessfully tries to convince Bell that he is just having nightmares, and reports to the captain that Bell is experiencing effects of psychological trauma usually caused by wartime experiences. He finds a pile of seaweed in the spot where Bell saw the apparitions.

McClure later discovers the number of the submarine, “714”, which Beecham identifies as belonging to a submarine that was sunk during the Battle of the Eastern Solomons, almost 21 years previously. Although stunned at the idea that someone inside the submarine could still be alive, Beecham asks naval command for a submarine rescue operation. Upon returning to the ship, the diver gives Beecham a dog tag he recovered from the ship, which belonged to Chief Bell.

When Beecham shows the dog tag to Bell, he recollects that he was indeed on that same submarine 21 years before during the battle, when it was surrounded by enemy Japanese ships. Bell was a signalman, and dropped a signal light while attempting to change the infrared filter during the night, causing the filter to fall off. As a result, Japanese ships were able to see the submarine and attack it. Bell fell off the submarine amidst the shelling. The captain took the submarine underwater, but it sank due to the Japanese attack.

Bell was later rescued by an American destroyer that came into the area. Bell tells Beecham that he now understands that the dead submarine crew know he is above them right now and are demanding that he join them in death. Bell is overcome by survivor guilt. Despite Beecham’s efforts to explain to Bell that he was not guilty of cowardice or responsible for the sinking of a submarine already surrounded by enemy ships, Bell races to the deck and jumps overboard. The ship’s crew are unable to save Bell or recover his body.

Later, McClure accompanies the rescue mission into the drowned submarine. Upon returning to the ship, he reports to Beecham that he had found the periscope shears cut in half, with one swinging back and forth. When Beecham asks him to confirm that this was the clanging noise they had heard, McClure agrees, but adds that he had also seen the remains of eight dead sailors, one of whom was holding a hammer in his hand.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirty-Fathom_Grave#Plot

[Lower Deck]

Are the men alive ?

Can they survive much longer ?

If they have been under water since last Wednesday then there is a very slim chance they could still be alive. Unlike nuclear subs, conventional subs like this one don't have air scrubbers to remove the carbon monoxide. After five days their air should be pretty well used up.

How long before rescue attempt(s) ?

Have to find them first. Then a couple of days to get the recovery gear in place. Time is not in their favor.

[Blue Jays]

"...the Argentine Navy turned to oat-maker..."
“...I think I fond their problem...”

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It has been an ongoing and cereal problem for everyone involved in this issue.

[Riley]

You can watch it here:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5rouxl

[ZOOKER]

Not a submariner but I think it's possible that if the sub's batteries were shorted out, it couldn't make headway either on or beneath the surface.

Were the sub's Diesel engines actually connected to her screws, or did they run generators which fed electric motors, through the batteries? With batteries shorted out, there would be no way to transfer the diesel engines' power to the propellers.

On the surface, dead in the water, in 20 foot seas - not a good scenario.

[ETL]

You can watch it here: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5rouxl

Great! Thank you.

Yes, YouTube doesn't apparently have any decent uploads of it. There's only one crappy tiny frame video upload with the audio noticeably speeded up. The others are audio-only. Weird.