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Argentinian navy detects noises that could be from missing sub
cnn ^ | 11/20/2017

Posted on 11/20/2017 9:11:04 AM PST by BenLurkin

A US Navy P-8A Poseidon aircraft, also known as a submarine hunter, is now assisting in the search area. The official said that the waters of the Atlantic Ocean where the sounds originated are extremely deep. The official stressed that search efforts thus far have yet to locate the submarine.

The Argentinian military has been working with a US company that specializes in satellite communication to determine the location of the submarine.

The ARA San Juan submarine and its 44 crew members were traveling from a base in southern Argentina's Tierra del Fuego archipelago to their home port in Mar del Plata. The sub was scheduled to arrive Sunday.

It was last spotted Wednesday in the San Jorge Gulf, a few hundred kilometers off the coast of southern Argentina's Patagonia region and nearly midway between the two bases.

Southern Argentina's Patagonia coast is notorious for strong storms.

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KEYWORDS: arasanjuan; argentina; argentinian; navy; noises; submarine
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1 posted on 11/20/2017 9:11:04 AM PST by BenLurkin
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Argentina navy: Missing sub ‘had called to report breakdown’

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-42055676

“Argentina’s navy says its ARA San Juan submarine, which has been missing since Wednesday, reported a mechanical breakdown in its last communication.

“The submarine, with 44 crew on board, disappeared 430km (270 miles) off the Argentine coast and no trace of it has been found.

“The vessel surfaced and it reported a breakdown,” naval commander Gabriel Galeazzi said.
Capt Galeazzi spoke of a “short circuit” in the sub’s batteries.

“This is the first time that an official has mentioned the sub encountering mechanical problems.”

“The brother of a crew member had earlier told local media that in a message before communications were lost his sibling had mentioned that the vessel was having problems with its batteries.”


2 posted on 11/20/2017 9:14:02 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

Prayers, but it don’t look good........................


3 posted on 11/20/2017 9:15:02 AM PST by Red Badger (Road Rage lasts 5 minutes. Road Rash lasts 5 months!.....................)
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To: BenLurkin

I wonder if this is one of our old fleet type subs.


4 posted on 11/20/2017 9:16:30 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

German, I think.


5 posted on 11/20/2017 9:17:35 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

No, I understand it is a re-conditioned European-style diesel sub. Not “new”, but fairly recent design.


6 posted on 11/20/2017 9:19:01 AM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: BenLurkin

It’s a diesel electric boat built in Germany in the 1980s.


7 posted on 11/20/2017 9:19:42 AM PST by jumpingcholla34
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To: BenLurkin

Perhaps the Brits had some unauthorized battle drills? That’s one less sub they need to worry about in the event of more problems in the Falklands. Sub crews take time to train as well.


8 posted on 11/20/2017 9:19:57 AM PST by MSF BU (Support the troops: Join Them.)
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To: BenLurkin
Fast, strong, German engineered, well respected Type TR-1700 export sub
9 posted on 11/20/2017 9:20:33 AM PST by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!)
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10 posted on 11/20/2017 9:21:57 AM PST by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!)
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To: BenLurkin
“The vessel surfaced and it reported a breakdown,” naval commander Gabriel Galeazzi said. Capt Galeazzi spoke of a “short circuit” in the sub’s batteries.

On the surface and they couldn't just run on diesels? Further, no communications? They would to have suffered a total electrical failure wouldn't they, disabling all comms. It just doesn't make sense.

11 posted on 11/20/2017 9:22:09 AM PST by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

The TR-1700 (Santa Cruz) is a class of diesel-electric patrol submarines built by Thyssen Nordseewerke for the Argentine Navy in the 1980s. These ships are amongst the largest submarines built in Germany since World War II and are among the fastest diesel-electric submarines in the world.[1]


12 posted on 11/20/2017 9:22:43 AM PST by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!)
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“Lacking the shipbuilding capabilities and knowhow to produce an all-modern attack submarine, the Argentine Navy turned to oat-maker Thyssen Nordseewerke of Emden, Germany for the task. The result was the TR-1700-class of which six boats were originally planned. In the end, however, just two were completed with construction suspended on the remaining four. The two to make it out of the program were ARA Santa Cruz (S-41) and sister-ship ARA San Juan (S-42). The boats were commissioned in October of 1984 and November of 1985, respectively with both maintaining an active presence in the Argentine fleet today (2017).

ARA San Juan was completed on June 28th, 1983 and commissioned for service on November 19th, 1985. As-built, the boat displaces 2,140 tonnes when surfaced and 2,336 tonnes when submerged. Its length is 216.3 feet with a beam of 27.4 feet and a draught of 24.1 feet. Drive power is from a diesel-electric arrangement centered on four German MTU marine diesels and a single Siemens electric motor driving a single shaft astern. The boat can make headway at 15 knots when surfaced and up to 25 knots when submerged. The diesel-electric arrangement allows for the diesel units to propel the boat when it is surfaced while the electric motor supplies the needed power when the boat is submerged. Range is out to 12,000 nautical miles. The vessel can stay away from port for up to 30 days.”

Above from the web.

https://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/detail.asp?ship_id=ara-san-juan-s42-attack-submarine-argentina

But compare the range, capability, and weapons to the WWII fleet boats, and the WWII British, Japanese, and German limited range, visual fire control, poor performance submarines. And those fought worldwide, even torpedoing ships in the Gulf of Mexico off of Texas and Louisiana!

13 posted on 11/20/2017 9:23:30 AM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Rummyfan
Are the men alive ?

Can they survive much longer ?

How long before rescue attempt(s) ?

14 posted on 11/20/2017 9:24:03 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true, I have no proof, but they're true)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

German TR-1700 diesel electric. No comparison with WW2 fleet boats. Fast and quiet. Entered service in 1985.


15 posted on 11/20/2017 9:25:42 AM PST by bravo whiskey (Never bring a liberal gun law to a gun fight.)
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To: BenLurkin

What’s crush depth for this sub? How deep could they be and still be rescued by I’m guessing only the US Navy?


16 posted on 11/20/2017 9:25:50 AM PST by miliantnutcase
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To: BenLurkin
Southern Argentina's Patagonia coast is notorious for strong storms.

I may be wrong, CNN, but don't submarines travel UNDER the water?

17 posted on 11/20/2017 9:30:17 AM PST by PGR88
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To: BenLurkin

On one network newscast last night, the reporterette read the sub’s name as “Ara San Juan”—as if “ARA” was its name. The press, what don’t they know.


18 posted on 11/20/2017 9:31:08 AM PST by hanamizu
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To: Jimmy Valentine

It’s a German sub.

The Germans quit providing maintenance and support due to non-payment.

Argentina kept putting them to sea after doing their own domestic maintenance.

Death Trap.


19 posted on 11/20/2017 9:31:11 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: DCBryan1

The Germans walked away from the maintenance contract on those subs due to non-payment.

The Argentines kept them operational by cannibalizing 4 other partially completed subs.


20 posted on 11/20/2017 9:33:42 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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