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Friend Who Lived in France Says Their Health System Superior
Self | 5/6/2017 | Self

Posted on 05/06/2017 5:43:53 AM PDT by PeaRidge

My friend, who lived in France for five years, and now in US, thinks our new health system is not only unnecessarily inadequate, but unsophisticated.

She says that in France that:

You get immediate appointments

Immediate treatment

World class results

Mideast sheiks go there

Relatively low cost meds (if you have to pay at all)

Latest improvements

All Free

To pay for this, she says All French citizens pay taxes.

Everyone pays the same percentage tax....35%

One page tax filing

To fellow Freepers......truth please.


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KEYWORDS: bs; eurotrashlie; fakestory; france; francehealthcare; liarliar; obamacare; pantsonfire; pearidge; socialism; thefrenchlie
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To: PeaRidge

We pay for their defense so they can afford it


41 posted on 05/06/2017 6:30:45 AM PDT by Sybeck1
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To: PeaRidge
There is some truth to the claim of health care quality in France. When you look at certain things you can tell. One is mortality from stroke

When you die of a stroke, part of the problem is genetic, sociological, cultural (eating habits) but a big part of it is how quickly you get good treatment. You must get a CAT scan right away. In some cases you must have exceptionally difficult surgery requiring high skill. The reason that so many people die of stroke in the UK is that they simply do not have the surgeons because they don't want to pay them.
42 posted on 05/06/2017 6:33:36 AM PDT by palmer (turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure)
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To: PeaRidge

The US still has the best survival rates for life threatening illnesses and diseases. The Mideast sheiks come to the US when they have them as do Canadians and the rest of the world

We have the most modern surgeries of anywhere.

As to appointments...that depends on where you live in France.

We treat way more people than other countries. If you need immediate care that is what urgent care is for Plus if it is a true emergency that is what ERs are for and 911

The European may handle the common cold better because they give big shots of B vitamins but overall I will take our medical care ANY day if the week


43 posted on 05/06/2017 6:33:55 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: PeaRidge

35% is a pretty steep tax rate. Also, did they tell you if you are overweight you can not get a mortgage? Your information is not private.


44 posted on 05/06/2017 6:35:26 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: PeaRidge

Has she considered going back to France?


45 posted on 05/06/2017 6:35:27 AM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: PeaRidge

If a socialist system can get somebody else to pick up the short fall then yes socialism works!


46 posted on 05/06/2017 6:35:35 AM PDT by Reily
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To: PeaRidge

We should pay for health insurance based on risk, not based on our income. Then we should have a safety net for those that cannot afford health care - it’s called Medicaid.


47 posted on 05/06/2017 6:36:53 AM PDT by laxcoach (Government is greedy. Taxpayers who want their own money are not greedy.)
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To: palmer

I spoke to a woman from Italy, proud as punch of their single-payer system.

Does it cover everything?

“Well, no...but, of course everyone has to have supplemental insurance.”


48 posted on 05/06/2017 6:39:49 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (The fear of stark justice sends hot urine down their thighs.)
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To: PeaRidge

Here’s an article on the world’s most generous countries.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/most-generous-countries-in-the-world/

Note which country is listed
and which country isn’t.

Also note, these are the country’s residents, not the government giving.

Here is a Wiki page on governmental giving.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_development_aid_country_donors

When I went to the PDF link in the article.
The USA is rated number 2
France is 81


49 posted on 05/06/2017 6:45:41 AM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: PeaRidge

I don’t want a 35% income tax, especially if that’s the same rate that Bill Gates is paying. He can afford it; I can’t.


50 posted on 05/06/2017 6:46:27 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: PeaRidge

Tell it Princess Di.


51 posted on 05/06/2017 6:46:55 AM PDT by mewzilla (Was Obama surveilling John Roberts? Might explain a lot.)
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To: bigtoona

VAT, yes. And it keeps going up.


52 posted on 05/06/2017 6:48:24 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: mplc51
The hospital has a PRICE Menu on the wall.
Broken arm $150.00
Open Heart Surgery $16,000

All paid up front. All hospitals do the same and are competitive on pricing

That needs to happen here, posted on the internet. As well as an outright ban on "cost shifting".

These are major national provider reforms, hopefully imposed by Tom Price, piloting the DHHS.

53 posted on 05/06/2017 6:48:28 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (The fear of stark justice sends hot urine down their thighs.)
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To: mewzilla

I think Di would have a better chance here. France has a system that a patient in an accident has to be stabilized at the scene of the accident before they can be accepted into a hospital.

They should have made an exception for Diana. She died on the roadside!!


54 posted on 05/06/2017 6:49:19 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS!!!)
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To: mountn man

Yes, compare France to Texas to get equal sized systems.


55 posted on 05/06/2017 6:51:34 AM PDT by SaraJohnson ( Whites being racially harassed and harmed by Leftist in power need to sue! It's pay day.)
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To: PeaRidge

Frances healthcare insurance is paid out of 35% national tax. You pay Dr , insurance remburses you 70% to 100%. If you cannot pay or you have a longterm condition all healthcare is free. You can choose any Dr and any treatment you want. They do not have the wait times of say Britain. Privatized healthcare in France is far less expensive than US healthcare. French healthcare is usually rated number one when all people are considered.

The US has great healthcare but is most expensive in world, 17% of GDP. Those who can’t afford to pay have Medicare for the old, Medicaid for the poor and Chip for children. If you are not rich or poor or have employer paid insurance with high deductible you don’t want to get sick you will be making payments for rest of your life.


56 posted on 05/06/2017 6:54:55 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: mountn man; PeaRidge
When I went to the PDF link in the article. The USA is rated number 2 France is 81

These numbers are for the citizens and not the government.

The wiki page was added last second, before I posted

57 posted on 05/06/2017 6:55:00 AM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: PeaRidge

The French have a hybrid system with both public and private facilities and services. It’s a complicated system and in recent years they’ve had problems controlling costs but for the most part it works. A market based fully private system is obviously the superior choice but if the United States is going to go down the road of socialist healthcare then something like the French system would probably be the least bad approach. The worst would be an English style fully public single payer system.

It really is a shame that we can’t have a healthcare system that’s consistent with our founding principles, but that’s what happens when the left spends the better part of a century marching through your institutions.


58 posted on 05/06/2017 6:55:21 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: PeaRidge

We were briefly in France last summer on a tour. Our tour guide said they paid 56% in taxes.


59 posted on 05/06/2017 6:56:20 AM PDT by Twotone (Truth is hate to those who hate truth.)
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To: Road Warrior ‘04

Ha! I was waiting for that shoe to drop!


60 posted on 05/06/2017 6:57:31 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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