Posted on 11/29/2016 5:32:51 AM PST by spintreebob
Edited on 11/29/2016 5:48:35 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
As best I can tell, PL/1 doesn’t run on Linux. Our mainframe is Linux
Make American Tech great again. How can this be done?
This is the point of posting it here.
Manufacturing is now tech. If we bring back manufacturing where will we find the employees?
Tech is constantly changing. What Tech needs is workers who think logically, not emotionally. Workers who understand the concepts learned in geometry... concepts of axioms, hypothesis, theories and working for the unknown value.
Most kids (including chickified guys) have only learned that Math is their friend. That numbers can come in many attractive colors. That logic can hurt people’s feelings. So best to avoid it.
I love those “ASIS” compilers.
You want QUALITY and SUPPORT huh?
That’s different from, “RUNS.”
Interesting; I’m not in a tech firm. Thanks for sharing!
Coding is black or white. It either compiles or it does not. A compiler doesn’t take into account how much time you put into the code and that you missed a really good concert and that your cat is sick and that you really need some ME time. It’s never, ever going to be about you. All the compiler ever thinks about is itself.
There is an ego problem in that if I don't throw every advanced coding technique into the mix it will be deemed too simple then everyone will think I am not an expert. SO every coding project gets over engineered with code bloatware.
Actually the Linux support model is, hire a support company... for enough buckaroos, companies spring up that will take Linux software under their wing and totally support it for you. If enough people wanted professional quality PL/I for Linux, that would happen too.
But again, the compiler will never complain to you that you took too much time getting back to it. Your boss might, but the compiler won’t. It’s ready 24/7 as your abject slave.
We’ve been a *nix shop since about World War 1. It’s pretty easy to use. I can’t imagine hiring someone to do it. But people get really intimidated by the Terminal command prompt.
We hired a 23 year-old to punch code. The first time he saw the command prompt, he almost walked on us. I didn’t even attempt to show him a shell script.
Well WWI is exaggeration fer sure.
Manufacturing is going to come back big time. Otherwise we are screwed as a nation.
But that’s why people pay king’s ransoms for Red Hat seats, because they come with a full support staff. Your Linux framistan won’t work? No worries, if you’re paid up on the support license just give um a buzz, and they don’t care if they heard it a million times before, they will personally show you how to make that framistan work, furnishing patches to the framistan driver if needed.
I’ll have to disagree with you spintreebob. Over the past 5 years I’ve hired about a dozen grads straight out of college into manufacturing/regulatory turn-around situations. The role involved technical manufacturing process knowledge across a vast range of activity including manual and automated, electrical and mechanical, dirty and clean.
Yes, I hired 3-4 senior guys on the teams first. But talk about an energy surge - the companies and suppliers couldn’t keep up with my teams - they were getting the job done, pushing the boundaries, challenging, learning. They came up to speed so fast that I had people trying to take them from me in less than a year onboard to be part of design and other parts of the company.
The younger generation, despite all the negative news to the contrary, ARE able to do exactly what we (USA) need them to do - in many cases better than the older generation due to being more familiar with certain aspects of the tech.
Every team I’ve worked with cross-functionally that was underperforming has been due to micromanagement and the mantra of zero tolerance for failure.
As leaders it is our role to coach, train, and allow people to grow. The absolute choking of enthusiasm and experimentation due to over-regulation and a generation of managers afraid to fail or invest is what prevents us from taking off again - NOT the lack of talent.
Talent is there we just need to use it, shape it, and invest in it...instead of believing the false newspeak that no one can cast, plate, machine, assembly, weld, etc anymore.
At 1/100th the employment that it had its peak.
Manufacturing companies are investing heavily in automation and robots. No way are they going to pay for 100 people to build 1 car, when robots can do all the work with 1 person pushing a button.
At 1/100th the employment that it had its peak.
Manufacturing companies are investing heavily in automation and robots. No way are they going to pay for 100 people to build 1 car, when robots can do all the work with 1 person pushing a button.
That pushes personnel to the robot support teams (and button pushing teams).
As long as the factory is in the USA I am good with automation. For most manufactured goods labor is a small cost anyway. For cars it is less that 8% of the retail sticker price and that is for union labor.
And here is the disconnect between a coder and a good coder. A good coder has the people skills to interact with the client and understand their needs, and explain to them and get them to buy in when their perceived needs don't meet up with reality. Creating a working program is not just about tight code, it is defining a challenge and meeting it. Clean code is just a part of it.
Of course clients bear part of the blame when their delusions of grandeur lead them to overpower the coder instead of working with him. Best to walk away when this happens, it will not end well and better you not be associated with it.
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